What would really scare the Big Tobacco Companies...

[Chetro]

If someone would create one of those signature banners for this site that would calculate every member here had how many analogs they have *NOT* consumed!

I see many people with 3 - 4 months + tobacco free, each saving themselves cash in thousand dollar increments.

Imagine all those people included in 1 signature banner or header banner for this site. Now, I fully realize that Big tobacco is a Multi-Multi-Multi Billion dollar per year industry (did I include enough "Multis" in there?) and a few hundred thousand here or there may not impress them, but it sure would impress me!

Just my 2 cents.

 

[katink]

That would be around 30.000 added just from me, lol.

 

[palermo45]

If someone would create one of those signature banners for this site that would calculate every member here had how many analogs they have *NOT* consumed!

I see many people with 3 - 4 months + tobacco free, each saving themselves cash in thousand dollar increments.

Imagine all those people included in 1 signature banner or header banner for this site. Now, I fully realize that Big Tobacco is a Multi-Multi-Multi Billion dollar per year industry (did I include enough "Multis" in there?) and a few hundred thousand here or there may not impress them, but it sure would impress me!

Just my 2 cents.

I was thinking of the same thing! One of those large ones with the electronic flowing numbers. XXX amount of regular cigarettes less and counting. Plus we could add how many "butts" less are litered on the roads either by numbers, weights or volume. They don't weigh too much so probably volume would be better. I guess a pack a day smoker would probably fill up a trash can every year with butts. Take a picture of that! Visuals really hit home. The simple ecology of the green movement should totaly embrace e-cigs!!

 

[Vocalek]

We have enough talented programmers as members that someone shold be able to create an app for that.

 

[ladyraj]

While I agree the app would demonstrate the advantage of monies saved by using the PV versus tobacco products...it is also the equivalent of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Here is a breakdown of a pack of smokes in my State and where the funds are going. Keep in mind that our State and Federal government is BROKE!

My smokes cost: $4.50 Per pack

State excise tax: $1.25
Fed Tax: $1.01
MSA Trust: $ .84 (4.2 cents per cigarette sold)
Sales Tax: $ .34 (7.5%)
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Total Tax: $3.44

Ciggies cost: $4.50 minus tax to state and feds of $3.44 leaves $1.06 for the tobacco companies. Please keep in mind I have not included the retail mark-up in the above numbers and therefore the tobacco companies are making less than a dollar per pack. It's the State and Federal Government that will take the hit of loss of funds more so than the tobacco companies.

Displaying an app that spells out how much the government stands to lose may not serve our best interests.

 

[ladyraj]

Hey -Chetrö-, I live in Milford...we're neighbors! Glad to see another Cincy vaporer.

 

[frankie1]

Ladyraj: You are correct, but betcha a dollar they HAVE already figured it out; hence to big rush to get PVs banned!

 

[MaDPimP]

Ladyraj: You are correct, but betcha a dollar they HAVE already figured it out; hence to big rush to get PVs banned!

Yeah you gotta love the catch 22 logic being employeed here:

Smokers cost too much for healthcare so we will give them extra special f u taxes

People using ecigs to quit smoking is effective

People quiting smoking would lower health cost but cost us tax dollars

therefore the ecig must be banned

What kind of idiots believe this rot?

 

[ladyraj]

The ironic thing is the 1997 MSA settlement to the states (at the cost of 4.2 cents per cigarette) was to reimburse the states for smoking related illness via medicaid/medicare. The cost was passed on to the tobacco purchasers...so the smokers have been prepaying their illness benefits for 12 years. But every study calls for smokers to pay more and more to cover the illnesses that the MSA was set up for.

Further, smokers are paying an additional 61 cents per pack as of April 1st to cover the children's health insurance plan (known as S-chip). In 10 states smokers pay more for their personal insurance if they get hired at all.

At what point do people begin to realize that if smokers are dying sooner from their habit..they aren't a drain on the system they have prepaid via the MSA. It's the long-lived that are more costly in terms of resources. I never understood how people could declare smoke to be a premature killer and also declare that if one dies "early" it's a drain on insurance. If they are dead...no costs. Strange logic...

 

[pistolpete]

A massive flood.

 

[MaDPimP]

A massive flood.

Flood lol?

 

[Nestran]

You can't group them all together.

Health insurance, such as Blue Cross and United health Group - ecigs are good. Long term disease hurts them. Healthy people will still carry insurance.

Pharma - Long term disease is a good thing. Healthy people don't need their drugs.

Tobacco - Addiction is good, disease does not matter that much. Many that get sick still smoke.

Medical, as in the hospitals - disease is good.

Now if you want to get into the political and financial relationships between some of these groups it gets very complicated.

Don't even try to figure it out. It's such a mess I don't think even they know which end is up.

Just thank god for a weak FDA that cannot stop all imports so you can continue to save your own life.

Nestran

 

[Vapinginjapan]

I was thinking of the same thing! One of those large ones with the electronic flowing numbers. XXX amount of regular cigarettes less and counting. Plus we could add how many "butts" less are litered on the roads either by numbers, weights or volume. They don't weigh too much so probably volume would be better. I guess a pack a day smoker would probably fill up a trash can every year with butts. Take a picture of that! Visuals really hit home. The simple ecology of the green movement should totaly embrace e-cigs!!

I really hate to sound like a smart .....

But something tells me that same trash can would be filled with dead atomizers, juice bottles, carts and batteries.

 

[four2109]

That ticker would be interesting to see, but really tough to maintain, since members come and go... we aren't sure where. Add my 7000 to it.
The April 1st tax hike was the last straw for me. Thank you President Obama. I mean that. At 50%, I have not paid $600.00 in taxes in the last 6 months. They can start taxing drugs or cheeseburgers, I don't care. Indiana kept raising the taxes so I drove to Kentucky to buy cigarettes. Finally the Fed tax hit and it was enough. I am just grateful that I heard about Ecigs the week my stock ran out.

 

[four2109]

I really hate to sound like a smart .....

But something tells me that same trash can would be filled with dead atomizers, juice bottles, carts and batteries.

I haven't thrown away any ecig stuff in 6 months. I recycle, mod, mix... OK lots more paper towels..........