What's with the cloud chasing?

[Dusif]

But they don't land in anyone's back yard.


Nobody lives in the desert to mind.


These people are just plain stupid.


Nobody has to catch them. They don't bother anyone.

Because none of these activities bother the people that don't participate in them. The only reason cloud chasers bother us normal(?) vapers is because we have to deal with the ANTZ that complain and are immediately lumped in with them.

Honestly. Were I in a vape room with cloud chasers and nobody else it wouldn't bother me a bit. I think it would be kind of impressive myself. Again, it's not me (a vaper) complaining about other extreme vapers out there (vapor-ers?).

True. But it matters *where* you enjoy it. I am just saying if cloud chasers don't respect the non-vaping public, at least respect me, an ex-smoker and this wonderful harm reduction alternative that is still searching for acceptance. (And struggling I might add).

Cheers my friend!

But

How can vapers demand respect from cloud chasers, when they dont want to give them any in return... Vapers say we bother them and everyone else... But the average vaper that whines about the cloud chasers stealth vapes and annoy other people... The ONLY ones not whining, are the actual cloud chasers... We are just defending ourselfs and trying to clear up why we enjoy chasing the clouds

Why cant people just mind their own business and leave us alone?


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[stevegmu]

I really don't get it. Why do people feel the need to be able to produce their own personal fog bank at will? I enjoy blowing a decent cigarette smoke sized cloud, but I've never felt the need to don the superhero cape and become..."Fog Man!"

I could understand it if you got more flavor, but I can build a setup that practically drains ejuice out the side of my mouth when I take a hit...and doesn't require a fan to find the building exits. I hear about some of these guys going through 20-30 ml a day.


Is it a vaping subculture thing? Is it to impress other vapors? Did they take massive drags on the old coffin nails that turned half the cig into ash on one puff?
I just don't get it.

I kind of figure it Is for 18 year olds who were never smokers, or who also smoke the other stuff...

 

[Vermonster13]

I kind of figure it Is for 18 year olds who were never smokers, or who also smoke the other stuff...

You would be wrong. 18 is far behind me and I don't use "other" stuff.

 

[Asbestos4004]

First of all, I'm not a cloud chaser but I like to build and I've done it for fun. Had it not been for the cloud chasers, our equipment would not be as advanced as it is today. Personally, I generally don't vape where I couldn't smoke.....with the occasional exceptions.
I've never seen a real cloud chaser fog up a restaurant, a bar or a grocery store. I've seen plenty of idiots in line at Walmart or in a waiting room or a Bass Pro Shop puffing away on a cigalike or an ego with blatant disregard for those around them. They're more likely to cast a negative light on us than 99.9% of the cloud chasers. A little common sense and respect for others would go a long way for all of us. To single out the folks that are passionate about the hobby aspect of vaping isn't fair.

 

[CassiusCloud]

“If you always put limit on everything you do, physical or anything else. It will spread into your
work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there,
you must go beyond them.”
-
Bruce Lee

Whaaaaaa!!!! KIAAAAH!!

 

[DaveP]

I can blow a cloud that whites out my reflection in a mirror with my Aspire Nautilus, but I tend to keep it at 6 watts, sometimes 7. I turn it up sometimes when I go out just to be able to take a quick hit and stealth vape, but at home I like a low to medium exhale. My intent is a setting that recreates the exhale of an ultra light cigarette (which I smoked for years before quitting).

Vaping in public to me is a matter of being respectful. I don't do it when there's lots of people standing around. I walk off in a corner and take a hit. If I'm close to an exit, I'll walk outside and huff up a nic hit.

I find huge clouds to be irritating and I tend to get a tickle cough if I do it too much. For those who find it refreshing, I say do it. Just be aware that people who work in theatrical productions where stage fog is in use or in industry where PG aerosol is used have time limits for length of exposure mostly because it's an irritant.

 

[JTrain23]

I kind of figure it Is for 18 year olds who were never smokers, or who also smoke the other stuff...

I'm almost 39 and I smoked 2PAD Marlboro Reds. Love cloud chasing. Love building coils. It is the most satisfying vape I have ever had. That's why I cloud chase.

 

[beckdg]

I agree on all counts. Misconception, ignorance, apathy - all factors that have the potential to cause great inconvenience to us vapers. Hopefully this won't happen on any large scale, but in my opinion it's enough of a threat to justify being "ready for anything".

I also agree that it's really just a few bad seeds in an orchard of reasonable people who don't vape, but would never push for unjust restrictions or bans. But even just a few bad seeds have the potential to alter the perception of vaping in the eyes of "good seed" non-vapers, having the effect of stripping away a significant percentage of vaping rights that otherwise would have protected us, and resulting in the restriction or even illegalization of some/most/all vaping gear.

i love your attitude on the whole situation. considering your beliefs, that is.

though, the truth of the matter is that the propaganda machine runs on money, not vapor. if there were vapor everywhere and no money to feed the propaganda machine, the truth could flow unfettered and nearly unquestioned. unfortunately, that is not the case. however, whether the person caught in public be a vaping sissy (not my words, lol) or a cloud chasing, sub-ohm maniacal lunatic (really, cloud chasing setups are super smooth and soothing compared to a finicky clearo), it's still going to instill fear into those sheeple that buy in to the propaganda lock, stock and barrel.

though... as has been said before. really, it's not the cloud chasers out and about everywhere to instill the fear that the propaganda has insisted is necessary. take blu for example. they stand to make a ton of dough once the regulations start raining down... and their commercials tout the "smoke anywhere" campaign. they're doing it on purpose if i'm reading this right............

 

[Dusif]

I kind of figure it Is for 18 year olds who were never smokers, or who also smoke the other stuff...

Youre wrong... Im 24 and started smoking when i was 15-16, i used to smoke at least 40 cigs a day of (at that time) lovely full strength cigarettes, the occasional cigar, home rolled cigarettes when i felt like it and also a good pipe once in a while... I liked my tobacco... Now i like my vapor be that clouds or regular vaping... Cloud chasing has nothing to do with age or the lack of smoking habits... If you dont get it its quite alright, but dont talk about cloud chasers like that


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[DaveP]

I'll bet that the smoke anywhere crowd will find themselves (me included) standing outside next to the sign that marks the smoking/vaping area before long. After vaping is FDA sanctioned our numbers will grow. Once that happens vapers in public will become a nuisance to the non-smokers and more cities will put a fine on it to raise revenue.

The best thing that the FDA could do for us is adopt the proof that vaping is of no consequence to bystanders as the report below states. 5000 vapers tested over several years.

Peering through the mist: What does the chemistry of contaminants in electronic cigarettes tell us about health risks?

 

[CKCalmer]

really, it's not the cloud chasers out and about everywhere to instill the fear that the propaganda has insisted is necessary.

I agree. When I wrote my last posts in this thread - only 6 days ago and 4 days ago, respectively - I identified "cloud chasing" as one of several key factors that the "ignorant & influential" could use to incite legislation that would impose unjust restrictions or bans on vaping.

But the more I read and the more I listen to the cloud chasers here and elsewhere, I am moving towards not pointing to any vaping subgroup as bearing any more or less responsibility for the perception of vaping held by the general non-vaping public. Actually, there is no meaningful commonality among any form of a "general public". Each person is different, and each individual person will form his or her own opinions based on whatever he or she considers important regarding vaping, health care, politics, pasta, skin creams and everything else in the world.

More and more, I'm adopting a position that the most important thing we can do is to dispense accurate knowledge in a visible way to as many people as possible over the coming weeks, months and years in order to best protect vaping, and to see it treated by legislation for what it actually is: a smoking replacement offering significant harm reduction, and posing little if any harm to the public at large.

See what happens when I read what you people write? I learn. Only a few days difference, and look at what can be accomplished in the mind of a person. Now, if we could only get more uninformed anti-vapers across the country (and across the world) to do the same...

 

[beckdg]

Mr Calmer; you sir, are a genius. i'm sure of it.