What's with the cloud chasing?

[iz2sick]

But... But....
The grammar police will think it means that the negative stares are positive!!
Gotta love grammar. I've seen some really bad ones posted on school signs!!

My grammar was fine. I said "I get negative stares too", followed by saying that they (stares) are mostly positive. Also, a key factor in in grammar is context.

"As I've stated, I get more positivity than not when I blow a cloud. Most are actually laughs. In my mind, blowing a regular cloud that resembles a cigarette looks worse to people. They think you are smoking. When one blows a cloud, people know for sure it's not a cigarette. Then they start thinking about what it could be. Hookah? Drugs? But that's so much "smoke"! This is probably why I get asked questions about it. People get curious.

I do these in places where I was given permission to or outdoors as I'm walking through a parking lot or something. I mean, I do get negative stares too, but they are mostly positive."

Taking my entire comment into consideration helps make that sentence more clear.

 

[iz2sick]

But they don't land in anyone's back yard.


Nobody lives in the desert to mind.


These people are just plain stupid.


Nobody has to catch them. They don't bother anyone.

Because none of these activities bother the people that don't participate in them. The only reason cloud chasers bother us normal(?) vapers is because we have to deal with the ANTZ that complain and are immediately lumped in with them.

Honestly. Were I in a vape room with cloud chasers and nobody else it wouldn't bother me a bit. I think it would be kind of impressive myself. Again, it's not me (a vaper) complaining about other extreme vapers out there (vapor-ers?).

True. But it matters *where* you enjoy it. I am just saying if cloud chasers don't respect the non-vaping public, at least respect me, an ex-smoker and this wonderful harm reduction alternative that is still searching for acceptance. (And struggling I might add).

Cheers my friend!

The same exact thing can be said for any vaper. Why do you single out cloud chasers with this comment? As I've stated before, clearo and Kayfun clouds resemble cigarette smoke. The general public doesn't know any better unless they see your mod. Why aren't you respecting the non-smokers when they think you're smoking a cancer stick?

You're searching for acceptance, yet the cloud chasers are searching for acceptance from fellow vapers who always choose to point fingers at them like they are a bad bunch.

Cloud chasers are going to blow themselves up and cause bad press! Yet, 99.9% of all the catastrophic battery failures can be attributed to normal vapers. The other .01% can't be determined to be related to cloud chasing. A vape convention worried that cloud chasers would set off fire alarms. Yet, there were hundreds of normal vapers in one room puffing away at their Kayfuns and Nautiluses. And it is them who set off alarms in their rooms.

I'd like to remind everyone that Vaping is not a necessity. There are other nicotine deliver systems that do not produce vapor whatsoever. So if your major concern is how the general public perceives you, choose one of those other alternatives.

Bottom line, we are all in this together. Vapers pointing fingers at other vapers doesn't help this cause. These bans probably don't even have anything to do with public perception. It is far more likely that these bans are occurring in favor of Pharmaceutical, Tobacco, and Insurance companies. Always follow the money.

I'm referring to county-wide bans by the way. I don't care if they are banned in establishments. I never smoked in a restaurant, I don't need to vape in one either. The only thing that upsets me is when these bans are being forced on private businesses. But that's a different topic altogether.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Why do you single out cloud chasers with this comment?

Because it's in the thread title?

Why aren't you respecting the non-smokers when they think you're smoking a cancer stick?

Because I don't vape in public around non-smokers. And I don't vape around *anyone* with callous disregard for what they might think about it. Is that out of respect for their ignorance? LOL, hell no! I just care enough about the future of vaping to be mindful of the next ban looming on the horizon.

You're searching for acceptance, yet the cloud chasers are searching for acceptance from fellow vapers who always choose to point fingers at them like they are a bad bunch.

Just because cloud chasers and other vapors use the same devices doesn't mean we all share the same views about "vaping".

These bans probably don't even have anything to do with public perception....I'm referring to county-wide bans by the way.

Seriously? Local bans always stem from public perception. It might start as simply a reader editorial in a local paper or even a formal complaint in front of the city council. If enough of your neighbors complain about the tall grass in your yard they will ask government to enact an ordinance forcing you to mow it. Just so they don't have to tell you themselves.

 

[sweetgypsea]

Well, several of us have tried to explain reasons. If you still don't get it, then I'm sad

LoL.

Lol...I just don't personally see any reason for bigger clouds. Guess I'm low-maintenance??? Lol!


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[Dj tank]

I'm sure its been said already... I'll give you a hit off my protank running a 2.2 ohm coil on my spinner 1300 at 4v. Then I'll let you hit my .8 ohm I have on a Kayfun lite with organic cotton wick. If you still prefer the 2.2 there's something wrong with you.

 

[iz2sick]

Because it's in the thread title?

Because I don't vape in public around non-smokers. And I don't vape around *anyone* with callous disregard for what they might think about it. Is that out of respect for their ignorance? LOL, hell no! I just care enough about the future of vaping to be mindful of the next ban looming on the horizon.

Just because cloud chasers and other vapors use the same devices doesn't mean we all share the same views about "vaping".



Seriously? Local bans always stem from public perception. It might start as simply a reader editorial in a local paper or even a formal complaint in front of the city council. If enough of your neighbors complain about the tall grass in your yard they will ask government to enact an ordinance forcing you to mow it. Just so they don't have to tell you themselves.

I excluded local bans from my comment. I'm talking on a larger scale. You know, FDA stuff?

And none of what you said can't be applied to cloud chasers as well. Are you suggesting that I'm not conscientious of non-smokers? Do you think I walk into crowds and plume in their faces?

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

I excluded local bans from my comment. I'm talking on a larger scale. You know, FDA stuff?

Then why did you add, "I'm referring to county-wide bans by the way"? I took that to be local.

Are you suggesting that I'm not conscientious of non-smokers?

Absolutely not. You have more horse sense than that. But I am saying that if your primary reason for vaping is to blow clouds, it's entirely different than why many of us "other" vapers "vape". Hence, the dichotomy and hence this thread I believe.

And rights, freedoms, and privileges aside, the difference being (and this is contentious)... one type of vaporer will get us *all* banned and our supplies taxed a lot sooner than the other type.

 

[iz2sick]

Then why did you add, "I'm referring to county-wide bans by the way"? I took that to be local.

Absolutely not. You have more horse sense than that. But I am saying that if your primary reason for vaping is to blow clouds, it's entirely different than why many of us "other" vapers "vape". Hence, the dichotomy and hence this thread I believe.

And rights, freedoms, and privileges aside, the difference being (and this is contentious)... one type of vaporer will get us *all* banned and our supplies taxed a lot sooner than the other type.

Oops, that's not what I meant. Meant to say state.

As for the reason I vape, it's the same reason I smoked cigarettes. Those were clouds back when I did it. Then another substance came along and it had even more clouds. Guess what happened when I saw that?

And I wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement. Standard res vapers HEAVILY outnumber the cloud chasers. And a few bad seeds do not represent us. The vast majority of cloud chasers that I know are even more thoughtful about vaping around others than the non-chasers.

 

[beckdg]

And rights, freedoms, and privileges aside, the difference being (and this is contentious)... one type of vaporer will get us *all* banned and our supplies taxed a lot sooner than the other type.

correct. a rude, self indulgent vaper with no regard for the space of others and the air they breathe will definitely push us towards bans faster than a polite, aware, conscientious vaper. but this is due to the smear and fear campaigns of ANTZ, BT and BP creating a public fear of their unknown.

when someone has the ridiculous notion that vapor is going to threaten their health, it's not going to matter how much vapor there is.

 

[Cloud Junky]

Well from my experience chasing clouds, or blowing huge plumes suppresses the desire to intake such high quantities of nicotine by mg ratio. I dawn my cape and produce some serious clouds but I do not do it in front of crowds, or in competitions. I do it for me! If that is the way I want to vape so be it. I am a retired man and am a big boy so that is what I do. So for this post if it is food for curiosity or just lack of knowledge I hope the answer is found!

 

[chapeltown]

wow, that sucks. why do they keep you in the basement on humid days?

ROFL

That is just where my bedroom is. 99% of the time I vape outside, just like I did when I was smoking. But there Are days when I would rather lock myself in the basement so everyone would leave me alone!

from my galaxy s4

 

[amoret]

If enough of your neighbors complain about the tall grass in your yard they will ask government to enact an ordinance forcing you to mow it. Just so they don't have to tell you themselves.

Unless you live in a really small town, then they just come mow it for you to "help you out."

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Unless you live in a really small town, then they just come mow it for you to "help you out."

Then that inflated mowing invoice from the mayor shows up in the mail. I know how this works.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

And I wholeheartedly disagree with your last statement. Standard res vapers HEAVILY outnumber the cloud chasers. And a few bad seeds do not represent us. The vast majority of cloud chasers that I know are even more thoughtful about vaping around others than the non-chasers.

I didn't attribute a number to cloud chasers vs. standard res vapers. But I agree, there are probably less cloud chasers. My point is... which ones will the ignorant public notice first and which ones will the ignorant public most likely deem as their biggest threat?

And I don't understand where I'm wrong here. Most (but not all) cloud chasers do their fog act so people notice them. Well, there we have it. Careful what you wish for I guess.

For the record, I don't automatically call somebody who sub-ohms 100% VG juice at 30 watts a "cloud chaser". If that's what it takes to extract the custard flavor from your juice that is "to die for" then so be it. Just be wary of the unintended consequences of that ensuing cloud.

And I like that term: Standard Rez Vapor (SRV). That's a nice way of not calling me a vaping weenie. Much appreciated!

 

[CKCalmer]

It's not that someone blows big clouds. It's WHERE they blow big clouds.

If the world were populated only with three billion clones of me* and three billion cloud chasers, there would never be a restriction or ban on vaping because of big clouds being blown in the subway or on busy streets. In fact, several thousand of the me's would very happily arrange competitions all over the world for cloud size and density, and for the most impressive cloud tricks.

But alas (or rather THANK GOODNESS), the world is not full of me's. It's full of all different kinds of people. And some of those people possess two attributes which are very troubling when occurring within the same person: ignorance and influence. These are the people who will not care about the content of the vapor we exhale, nor about how many lives vaping is saving and could continue to save all over the world by replacing the smoking of cigarettes. They will make uninformed decisions, and then they will use any influence they possess as a group to impose unjust laws on the act and equipment of vaping.

It's crappy, but it's just the way the world is. We can choose to bang our fists and say, "We should have the right to vape and blow clouds of any size we want when we're in public!" Or we can say, "Based on the research to date, we have yet to see evidence that big vapor clouds incur any more of a health risk than small ones. However, taking into account that some people in this world will make uninformed decisions to fight against vaping - claiming "public health risk" without evidence - and that they will possess enough influence to make things very hard for us vapers, perhaps we should work to not give anyone, informed or otherwise, any more incentive than they already have to fight against vaping."

When you're in my home, in your own home, or anywhere else the ignorant and influential won't encounter you, then hell yes blow that big 'ol cumulus vaporis my friend just as often as you like! And I agree that you deserve the right to (within reason) do so anywhere you please. But if you go cloud chasing on Main Street on a regular basis, it could be a significant factor in the imposition of restrictions or bans on any kind of vaping. Of course, it would not only be the fault of cloud chasers. There would be factors well beyond cloud chasing that would incentivize the ignorant and influential to push for unjust vaping restrictions and bans. But whenever we can recognize one such factor early on, then the smart thing to do would be to change our behavior just enough to remove the incentive in question before it's used against us.

In time, once we've won enough of these battles to come, vapers who so choose will be able to cloud chase in public (within reason) without incurring the risk of harming the availability of vaping to those of us who already do it, and more importantly, to people who have yet to vape and whose lives would be saved by using the act of vaping to replace the act of smoking.


* - If there were three billion me's in the world, fighting against bans on vaping would be the very least of the world's problems. The global collapse of civilization would vastly eclipse vaping rights as the biggest news story on any given day.

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[djwyman]

See I don't get the super sub ohm cloud chasing guys either. For a long time I was happy with my provari at 4.2v with a 1.5ohm 901bridgless Atty(still my juice testing setup) and then I went to work at a vape shop and felt the need to know how to use everything we sell. I had played with Genny style rebuildables before and hated them. But dripping rebuildables have made a huge leap forward and me being a dripper anyway started playing with them and I really enjoy a .8-1.2ohm single coil or .5dual coil build (which is really just 2 1 ohm coils). Not for the cloud chasing factor at all in fact my clouds are about the same as my 901. What I like though is the stronger flavor and the tinkering. I also like my Russian 91% as it is the first tank that gave me as much or more flavor as dripping.

I have nothing against the cloud guys as long as they are not bothering other people. If they are doing it in a place were there are non vapers/non smokers then I see an issue as they are bothering others for no reason. If you are at home, a cloud compitetion or with friends showing off then go ahead.

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[Chach30]

I vape a between .39 and 0.6 ohm Bc I've found it keeps me off analogs the best

 

[iz2sick]

See, that's the thing though. Maybe in your town, you see a bunch of cloud chasers blowing pillars of plume out and about everywhere, but I certainly don't. I didn't see any in Boston either. We'll see when I go to Texas. What I do see is all types of standard rez vapers. It's even starting to gain popularity in my town (thankfully). I catch them all the time now.

Maybe it's our YouTube videos and videos we post across Social Media that gives the impression that we like to act the same way off camera. Sure, I can fully admit that I like the attention. I wouldn't film myself otherwise. But also admittedly, it's uncomfortable at the same time as some hold me to a sort of celebrity status. Aaaaawwwwwkkkkwwwaarrrd.

Fact is though, I certainly don't blow clouds everywhere I go. I mean, while I'm driving and walking through a mostly empty parking lot I might. Otherwise, I'm vaping a genny on my DNA30. This is what I see from other chasers I know too. Some in fact don't even vape other setups. They simply don't vape when the general public is around.

I really think these are cases of misconception and a few bad seeds.

 

[CKCalmer]

See, that's the thing though. Maybe in your town, you see a bunch of cloud chasers blowing pillars of plume out and about everywhere, but I certainly don't. I didn't see any in Boston either. We'll see when I go to Texas. What I do see is all types of standard rez vapers. It's even starting to gain popularity in my town (thankfully). I catch them all the time now.

Maybe it's our YouTube videos and videos we post across Social Media that gives the impression that we like to act the same way off camera. Sure, I can fully admit that I like the attention. I wouldn't film myself otherwise. But also admittedly, it's uncomfortable at the same time as some hold me to a sort of celebrity status. Aaaaawwwwwkkkkwwwaarrrd.

Fact is though, I certainly don't blow clouds everywhere I go. I mean, while I'm driving and walking through a mostly empty parking lot I might. Otherwise, I'm vaping a genny on my DNA30. This is what I see from other chasers I know too. Some in fact don't even vape other setups. They simply don't vape when the general public is around.

I really think these are cases of misconception and a few bad seeds.

I agree on all counts. Misconception, ignorance, apathy - all factors that have the potential to cause great inconvenience to us vapers. Hopefully this won't happen on any large scale, but in my opinion it's enough of a threat to justify being "ready for anything".

I also agree that it's really just a few bad seeds in an orchard of reasonable people who don't vape, but would never push for unjust restrictions or bans. But even just a few bad seeds have the potential to alter the perception of vaping in the eyes of "good seed" non-vapers, having the effect of stripping away a significant percentage of vaping rights that otherwise would have protected us, and resulting in the restriction or even illegalization of some/most/all vaping gear.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

This far in, and you don't understand PLAN? Pfffbt.

You just wanted some cheap conversation.

On topic though, some people like it. Is there a stupid crowd that participates...dude, there is a stupid crowd that participates in regular usage!
I'll tell ya what though, don't let all the failed attempts from others, or possibly yourself, fool you...done right/right juice...all that cloud, IS FLAVOR!

Last, and most important reason, because we/they can.

Oh, folks, save the insane comparisons of what you can and can't do, that are obviously going to end fatally.