Whats your reaction to smokers now that you vap?

[Raven1]

Great thoughts on why smokers may not try vaping.In ways I never tried snus, patches, and lots of stuff so it holds true my way some too.To hear smokers come up with so many reasons not to try something once is mind boggling.So much structure to a smokers world is what makes me pity them.Its like when you first start out dating try not to date anyone who only eats chicken, for vegatables it has to be brocolli nothing else will do and for dessert is has to be marzipan.

I've tried to get my boyfriend on board with vaping, but all he says is, "That's just trading one addiction for another. I'd rather quit altogether." But he isn't having much luck quitting smoking (though he seems to have reduced the amount). I think vapers in general tend to be much more tolerant of others, whereas smokers, ex-smokers and non-smokers are very militant about their habit or non-habit, whichever the case may be.

 

[Little Girl]

Seems as if there are those on this forum who seem to want to infiltrate and tell all of us that we are somehow killing ourselves with vaping.. If they don't like it for themselves fine but they shouldn't start spouting the evilness about it when in fact we are doing ourselves good by vaping as opposed to smoking..

This is kind of to be expected whenever any industry or market is in its infancy, and I'd say that even though e-cigarettes have been around for a few years, they're still technically in their infancy as far as widespread knowledge is concerned.

There has been many studies done that show that nicotine is in fact as harmful to a person's body as caffeine.. So if if anyone wants to complain about nicotine, then they best not be drinking tea or coffee either *LOL*

That's great news! It's facts like that that we need to collect, link to, and share with others to get the word out.

I started smoking in college in the 60's...smokers ruled, and couldn't care less about how it bothered other people. Smoked in department stores, supermarkets, restaurants (had many cigars after dinner), even Doctors' waiting rooms. Now the pendulum has swung completely the other way, and we are the banished (and partly rightfully so).

I have to agree on the "partly rightfully so" part. I remember when I was little and there was a lady smoking in the produce section of the grocery store, which upset my mother terribly. I was so little that I didn't really care either way whether the lady smoked or not but I do remember seeing cigarette butts on the floor in grocery stores, malls, movie theaters, restaurants, etc. for years, and thinking that was disgusting. Of course, that wasn't so much about smoking as it was about smokers who happened to be litterbugs.

So now its a process of educating ourselves so we can then educate the un- or mis-informed. It will be a process of evolution, not revolution...and the high road is the best road to take. imo.

Agreed. We literally need to be as careful as possible to be the good guys in this mission to educate others. If we argue or behave rudely when confronted by just plain ignorance, or the ignorant wrath of those who actively campaign against us, they'll dig their heels in and fight us all the harder. We should gently charm them with facts.

 

[booker]

So how now that you vape, act towards smokers and their 2nd hand smoke? Do you not care? try to get them to switch to vaping? or act the same way others acted to you when you smoked?

Please.... Do tell!

I'm not trying to convert anyone, but believe me, in a pub full of drinking people who have to go outsite for an analog every now and then, there are no posibbility a smoker won't notice you vaping and would not come over asking you what are you doing and won't ask sorta all possible quiestions about the e-cig

Sometimes I'm thinking to set up me few discount codes and handle a bussines cards to all those people. Actually some were even willing to buy a starter kit from me if I had one with me. In UK pubs are mostly really okay about vaping unless you speak to a staff beforehand... I just don't see myself selling kits in pubs....perchaps I should

 

[son et lumiere]

I almost feel sorry for them and am like dang what I have is so much better than smoking I can adjsut my nictine volume and with a mod produce more vapor than I can smoke. It's just awesome.

 

[cozzicon]

Ive been smoke free for over 2 months now and something poped in my brain.Remember when you smoked?Remember how when you lit up a cig some Nonsmoker would say to you...."You know those things are bad for you!?!?" or "Your killin yourself with those things!" Or maybe they wouldnt say anything but would wave the smoke away with a bad look on their face.They all hated the smell and the fact that 2nd hand smoke is bad for you.

So how now that you vape, act towards smokers and their 2nd hand smoke? Do you not care? try to get them to switch to vaping? or act the same way others acted to you when you smoked?

Please.... Do tell!

I have a lot more empathy for non smokers that is for sure.

I've always been nice about smoking away from non smokers. But now I'm amazed at what they have had to put up with. I find myself moving away from smokers and second hand smoke.

Trying to convert all my friends to vaping so I don't have to make distance. Also, I stay away from people who use analogs because I don't ever want to smoke one again.

 

[booker]

I stay away from people who smoke because I can't stand the disguising smell of the smoke any more!


....I can come back when they finish the ...

 

[martha1014]

My daughter and grandson came home for vacation. My husband had never really said anything about the smell of my ecigs other than one flavor smelled like red hots. Every time my daughter is around me she says it smells like stale cigarettes.

Does ecig really smell. I am beginning to believe they do.

 

[LadyPhoenix]

It's been a few weeks for me off analogs, but, wow, I didn't realize they smelled that bad. I had a friend over for the holiday weekend and she stayed in our family room. She is a chain smoker, and the next morning when I walked in the room - OMG! What I thought to myself was "I have to apologize to my husband and family and anyone else that I made sit in a closed-off room with me while I smoked away".

I find it so peculiar that you don't notice the cloud of smoke hanging in the room and the terrible cloying smell while you are smoking yourself. I made her try my ecig a few times. She liked it. I offered to buy her a starter kit for her birthday but she "wasn't ready to quit yet". I explained to her that I wasn't really planning on quitting myself either when I starting vaping, only to cut down. But vaping made it easy to quit analogs! She's not convinced yet.

I did try one of her cigs while she was here. It tasted disgusting to me and I put it out after a few drags. I'm still amazed that I feel that way after only a few weeks without them.

 

[booker]

Does ecig really smell. I am beginning to believe they do.

Well the vapour gives some noticeable smell of its flavour, but if we compare that with the smell of the smoke then that's virtually odourless. But it's not smell-less for sure.

Just recalled smth - try a good long inhale with strong flavour e-liquids like TW's Red Label Mango, or any other for that matter - there's no way not to recognize the vapour has a smell. Just the thing is...it vaporises into the air in few seconds, while cigarette smoke lingers and lingers...and lingers....and it's disguisting

 

[mondotoker760]

My daughter and grandson came home for vacation. My husband had never really said anything about the smell of my ecigs other than one flavor smelled like red hots. Every time my daughter is around me she says it smells like stale cigarettes.

Does ecig really smell. I am beginning to believe they do.

ecigs do have a oder to them for sure. But most of the time it smells like whatever your vaping on. I have alot of people say it smells like hookah or it smells sweet.No ones ever told me that my vapor smelled bad.Also the smell doesnt cling to you like smoke does.To bad tho cuz i wouldnt mind smelling like cookies or banana cream pie....lol

 

[MXBNW]

This weekend I took a trip with a few friends one still smokes analogs, (He is in the posses of switching over to PV) but any way he smoked in the car, (with the windows down) and OMG I felt like I needed to go find any one I did that to and apologies. I never realized the smell was that bad. I even went as fare as take a drag of an analog this weekend (just to see if I was missing anything) and thought I was going to puck. (NO NOT MISSING A THING)

I have been vamping for several months and don’t ever see me going back to analogs.

The only comments I ever get from the smell is (what you puffing on it smells good.) Then they won’t to try it and then I send them to the ECF to read up on it. (These are analog smokers)

I try to educate as many smokers as I can, even people I don’t know. Little trick I found was go where the smokers have to hide out to smoke and pull out my EGO or my MV 902 and puff away. It always draws questions. Every smoker I have found wants to quit everyone knows it going to kill them and every one I have talked to at least willing to read up on it. I know that ecigs have not been proven to be 100% safe but it there 90% safer then analogs then I’ll take the 10% its 90% better then smoking.

It’s been a life changing experience over 15 years of smoking I have quit smoking cigarettes I never thought that would happen.

I would like to say thank you to everyone that posts on the ECF for their story’s their willingness to help with questions and sharing their experiences.

 

[Shaka]

...Does ecig really smell. I am beginning to believe they do.

Yes...that's why, imo, we need to be sensitive that the smell of what we're vaping may offend some people. It doesn't hang like solid particulate cigarette smoke, but there is indeed a smell.

My two adult daughters really loathe the smell of my favorite Cignot vape, and asked me not to vape that juice when I'm around them. The smell of cinnamon candy I find offensive (love the spice tho), so please don't vape TV's AC around me (and I may be the only member who hates that smell).

Like heavy perfumes, some may like it, but others...??

 

[AvatarIII]

I'm not trying to convert anyone, but believe me, in a pub full of drinking people who have to go outsite for an analog every now and then, there are no posibbility a smoker won't notice you vaping and would not come over asking you what are you doing and won't ask sorta all possible quiestions about the e-cig

Sometimes I'm thinking to set up me few discount codes and handle a bussines cards to all those people. Actually some were even willing to buy a starter kit from me if I had one with me. In UK pubs are mostly really okay about vaping unless you speak to a staff beforehand... I just don't see myself selling kits in pubs....perchaps I should

are you saying, don't speak to staff before hand, because they might say no? or do you mean you should always ask before hand?
i would have thought it best to ask before hand so they know what you are doing and won't make a fuss if they see from a distance, especially with white/brown cig replica minis

 

[booker]

are you saying, don't speak to staff before hand, because they might say no? or do you mean you should always ask before hand?
i would have thought it best to ask before hand so they know what you are doing and won't make a fuss if they see from a distance, especially with white/brown cig replica minis

Sorry mate. My mistake.

In UK pubs are mostly really okay about vaping unless especially when you speak to a staff beforehand...

I meant it's best if one will speak to the staff beforehand.

Yesterday I spoke with the staff member of some pub @ London Bridge and he said he rather wouldn't like me to vape inside. I said why, he said "because they look like a real cigarette" (whatt??? ) so I gently persisted explaining it's not a tobacco cigarette, it's a fake cigarette, it doesn't smell, but the guy was pointing out they have a nice sitting area outside for smoking. I wasn't really interested to go outside for a vape in the middle of the World Cup semifinals with all those stinky smokers. So he said again "I'd rather want you not" so I asked again, friendly "but why?" and he ran out of arguments but was happy to speak to his manager. Before he went to his boss I gave him a card with has some standard "legal to smoke everywhere" litany. He read that, went back-door and after a while came out with happy face saying I'm okay to vape.

Seems there's still a lot of work as some people's biased opinions about vaping are strong...and a bit silly too

"I'd rather want you not"

 

[AngeLsLuv]

Way to go (AGAIN!) Little Girl!!

Hey Angel, listen to this lady because she always gives great advice...always taking the high road and has about the best attitude in this forum on how best to co-exist as vapers in a non-smoking world. Well...maybe next to me, but Little Girl says it a lot nicer than me. lol

I started smoking in college in the 60's...smokers ruled, and couldn't care less about how it bothered other people. Smoked in department stores, supermarkets, restaurants (had many cigars after dinner), even Doctors' waiting rooms. Now the pendulum has swung completely the other way, and we are the banished (and partly rightfully so).

So now its a process of educating ourselves so we can then educate the un- or mis-informed. It will be a process of evolution, not revolution...and the high road is the best road to take. imo.

Keep doing what you're doing Little Girl!

Well I am not quiting my vaping for the entire time I am there when someone can vape in public legally.. I will again tell them that I vape and the info on it.. If they don't like it, either I will try to get outside if possible (will find out prior to leaving), or I won't go at all.. I am tired of being a second class citizen.. I maybe should have just not quit smoking since this is how the anti-smokers are over-powering the country...

 

[AngeLsLuv]

This is kind of to be expected whenever any industry or market is in its infancy, and I'd say that even though e-cigarettes have been around for a few years, they're still technically in their infancy as far as widespread knowledge is concerned.



That's great news! It's facts like that that we need to collect, link to, and share with others to get the word out.

***Snip in quick response***

The nicotine is as safe as cafine had been reported in many studies done on the possible adverse responses to the nicotine patch, gums, and over-all smoking...

Here is a good article concerning this sort of stuff but you can find more and many full documentations of studies have been done and posted on the forum..


Quote:

An August 31, 2004 New York Times article quotes University of Pittsburgh Professor Saul Shiffman as saying, "people are unreasonably afraid of nicotine." "The majority of smokers believe that nicotine causes cancer and is a big player in the harm caused by cigarettes." Shiffman is a GlaxoSmithKline consultant - maker of a nicotine patch, gum and lozenge - and holds a patent for a new as yet unreleased form of fast-acting nicotine gum.



"But it is like caffeine addiction," the Times article quotes University of Vermont Professor John Hughes as saying. "The only harm is that you're having to pay for it." Professor Hughes' studies openly acknowledge that he too is a pharmaceutical industry consultant.



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Nicotine 166 times more deadly than caffeine?

Article related in this article:

THE CONSUMER - THE CONSUMER - The Nicotine Patch Didn't Work? You May Not Have Used It Enough - NYTimes.com

 

[Automaton]

To be honest, people who say those kinds of self-righteous things annoyed me even before I was a smoker. Really, who do these people think they are?

I actually had someone take a swing at me once when I lit up. I was always very careful to never blown smoke at anyone.

And honestly, the 2nd hand smoke risk is over-blown. Your risk of getting lung cancer from second-hand smoke is dwarfed by your risk from car exhaust. The only people who are at true risk by second-smoke are bartenders and the like who stand in it for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Wearing deodorant is more likely to give you cancer than occasional second-hand smoke (yes, really).

Read up on the WHO's sudden change of heart after their initial studies showed negligible negative effects of second-hand smoke, and public outcry ensued.

People who feel like they have a right to comment on other people's choices really need to get down off that horse. I had a clerk at a store who was 200 pounds overweight make comments at me when I bought cigs. Seriously? Nothing against overweight people, but she's not really in a position to be commenting on my health.

Similarly, people tell me to "eat a hamburger" all the time, but it's not ok to say something rude like that to someone who is overweight, or make fun of someone who wears unusual religious attire.

The religious and the overweight are off-limits, but smokers and skinny people are fair game. Hell of a world we live in.

 

[AngeLsLuv]

To be honest, people who say those kinds of self-righteous things annoyed me even before I was a smoker. Really, who do these people think they are?

I actually had someone take a swing at me once when I lit up. I was always very careful to never blown smoke at anyone.

And honestly, the 2nd hand smoke risk is over-blown. Your risk of getting lung cancer from second-hand smoke is dwarfed by your risk from car exhaust. The only people who are at true risk by second-smoke are bartenders and the like who stand in it for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. Wearing deodorant is more likely to give you cancer than occasional second-hand smoke (yes, really).

Read up on the WHO's sudden change of heart after their initial studies showed negligible negative effects of second-hand smoke, and public outcry ensued.

People who feel like they have a right to comment on other people's choices really need to get down off that horse. I had a clerk at a store who was 200 pounds overweight make comments at me when I bought cigs. Seriously? Nothing against overweight people, but she's not really in a position to be commenting on my health.

Similarly, people tell me to "eat a hamburger" all the time, but it's not ok to say something rude like that to someone who is overweight, or make fun of someone who wears unusual religious attire.

The religious and the overweight are off-limits, but smokers and skinny people are fair game. Hell of a world we live in.

Finally!!! Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Mistress!!

I felt as if I was the only one around here who thought the same exact things about the anti-smoking, car exaust/smoke stacks and all the other pollutants, let alone people who "think" they have the right to tell other people what to do, when in fact it's obvious that they are doing something "considered" unhealthy also jumping at us evil smokers and vaper-ers..

I don't buy all these so-called studies either...

Plus the FDA approves drugs every day that cause people to drop dead of, but that's ok too... If you read up on the FDA's response to e-smoking they essentaially are telling us to either go on a patch that has the same ingredients as e-juice just so then they and the pharmacudiacal companies can make their money or go back to smoking (where the FDA are in cahoots with the tobacco companies, although they try to tell us to quit smoking - double edge sword).. It's all in black and white and can be found all over the net and links off this forum..

I just can't take it... If I am going to put up with all of this using an e-ciggie (especially my Janty Stick that doesn't even look like a ciggie at all), why did we bother to quit?? We are being abused anyway..

 

[Automaton]

Finally!!! Thank You, Thank You, Thank You, Mistress!!

I felt as if I was the only one around here who thought the same exact things about the anti-smoking, car exaust/smoke stacks and all the other pollutants, let alone people who "think" they have the right to tell other people what to do, when in fact it's obvious that they are doing something "considered" unhealthy also jumping at us evil smokers and vaper-ers..

I don't buy all these so-called studies either...

Plus the FDA approves drugs every day that cause people to drop dead of, but that's ok too... If you read up on the FDA's response to e-smoking they essentaially are telling us to either go on a patch that has the same ingredients as e-juice just so then they and the pharmacudiacal companies can make their money or go back to smoking (where the FDA are in cahoots with the tobacco companies, although they try to tell us to quit smoking - double edge sword).. It's all in black and white and can be found all over the net and links off this forum..

I just can't take it... If I am going to put up with all of this using an e-ciggie (especially my Janty Stick that doesn't even look like a ciggie at all), why did we bother to quit?? We are being abused anyway..

I find these second-hand smoke "studies" amusing, frankly. I read one recently that claimed second-hand smoke causes dementia, even though cigarettes are well-known for reducing risk of dementia. Ummmm...

It's a hate campaign, not a health campaign. The bad stuff that cigarettes ACTUALLY do isn't enough apparently - they have to basically make things up and make it THE WORST THING EVER. It's like they're trying to equate smoking with barbecuing puppies.

I'm all for helping people quit smoking, obviously. And don't think for one second I haven't told my smoker friends about e-cigs... but only the ones who I know wish they could quit. I have one friend who likes smoking, doesn't care about the affects, and has no desire to stop or switch to anything else. Fine. Your life, your choice.

And I do find it funny that they frown on e-cigs, but sell the exact same thing in a different form factor and expect us to believe e-cigs are as dangerous as cigs. Are you sure it's not the fact that your (less effective) version is taxed, and our (more effective) version isn't, FDA?

We quit so we could live. All great pioneers are persecuted. Carry on, soldier.

 

[tonyorion]

When I was a smoker, it used to annoy me to no end to see my rights to smoke gradually disappear. As a business traveler, it was even starting to get hard finding a hotel that had smoking rooms.
After the baby came, I agreed not to smoke in the house any more. That baby became a rather drop dead gorgeous and intelligent young woman who just got her MBA. I am a widower who lost his beautiful wife to melanoma 3 years ago (no, she was not a tanning fanatic. It was a truly weird and rare form of melanoma). So when I asked my daughter what she wanted as a graduation present, she said “You quitting smoking!”
It was impossible for me to understand why non smokers really dislike the smell of smoke, until I became a non smoker. Smoke smells foul! Add to that the health risk, and it becomes easy to understand the anti smoking sentiment.
Now, when I am around smokers, I have to remind myself about my own reaction to other people’s “intolerance”. When smokers see me with an e cig, they get curious and want to know more. Preaching to someone about the dangers of smoking will only upset them. They get enough of that every time they take out a pack of cigarettes. We want converts to vaping. If you want to help a smoker, don’t start out by giving them a persecution complex. They will only get defensive.