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Except he was right. Propylene Glycol does have applications as an anti-freeze, and the long term effects of vaping are not and can not be known. The flip side is that cigarettes have long list of ingredients/chemicals whose harmful effects are known. I'll take the odds that the effects of the ingredients in my e-liquid are less harmful to me than the junk in a cigarette.
(just had to add Propylene, Glycol and vaping to Googles spell check)
No, the "expert" was not right. You are almost right when you say PG "has applications as an anti-freeze," (it actually has applications in anti-freeze) but that does not make the statement "PG is anti-freeze" correct.
Go to a grocery store, or any place that sells pre-packaged ice cream. Look at the ingredients on a couple boxes/tubs. Propylene Glycol is a main ingredient in over have the ice cream on the shelves--does anyone really think they would make a "frozen desert" out of anti-freeze?
PG is an FDA-approved food additive. It is used as an anti-bacterial/bacterial growth inhibitor in food, and that's what it's used for in anti-freeze. Water is the main ingredient of anti-freeze as it is used but none of these experts ever say "Stop drinking water, it's anti-freeze!"
The government, who doesn't want to give up tobacco taxes; and Big Tobacco, who only want to lose customers the old-fashioned way: death.
Actually, you're both right. There exists antifreeze products made entirely of PG as the active ingredient, thus it's fair to say "PG is antifreeze". On the other hand, it's not what most people think of as "antifreeze", which is the poisonous ethylene glycol. That means it's also fair to say "PG is not antifreeze". To be completely correct, one would say, "PG has antifreeze properties and is often used in antifreeze applications, but it is not what is traditionally used as automotive antifreeze," but that's quite a mouthful
The similar functionality of PG and EG for antifreeze applications has led to problems in the past where unscrupulous manufacturers (who have tended to be of chinese origin) have replaced the more expensive PG with the cheaper EG in places where that shouldn't have been done. This has supposedly happened once with e-cigarettes (one study found that a single chinese-made liquid out of all the liquids in the test had trace amounts of EG), but has been more likely to happen in the past with other products like cosmetics, and generally not in the US or European countries (aka, in places without FDA-like agencies overseeing what goes into our consumables). Nobody has died from vaping EG yet, primarily because nobody vapes EG
.As long as you stick to reputable juice makers there should never be any concern about accidentally getting EG when you thought you were getting PG.
Every person under 30 in the bar tonite wanted to know if this vaporizer really could vaporize a particular plant material. At first disappointed in my answer, frowns turned to smiles when they got a whiff of my caramel popcorn juice...
My favorite remark so far came from a friend who asked me what a "Vape Meet" was, and if it was a support group for "that thing you suck on".
My favorite remark so far came from a friend who asked me what a "Vape Meet" was, and if it was a support group for "that thing you suck on".
I've noticed an increasing trend of "conformist intolerance".
The trend to prohibit everything that isn't mandatory.
"Egalitarianism" distorted into "sameness".
While people pay lip-service to "diversity" for PCism, the actual support for anything out of the ordinary seems to be in decline.
Remember when the teacher would say (about gum), "I hope you brought enough for everyone"?
Boy, Is He Strict Scene - Blazing Saddles Movie (1974) - HD - YouTube
Just try driving a car with a big wing on the back, and see how much hostility you get.
Oh, and PG *is* used as anti-freeze: Many towns use it to winterize their drinking fountains.
And the "pet friendly" antifreeze sometimes substitutes PG for the toxic ethylene glycol in "normal" automobile antifreeze. (I wouldn't vape even the pet friendly antifreeze -- there are still a bunch of other chemicals in it.)
PG is also used as the base for many FDA approved artificial flavors.
I looked it up, the first time I saw some medication was carried on a PG base.
The FDA charges the tobacco industry over $200M a year (rising to $712M in 2019) in "user fees": the tobacco industry has to pay the FDA to regulate them. Of course the FDA doesn't like people moving away from tobacco.
Consider the implications when the FDA says it wants to "regulate" vaping "like tobacco".
IMO that's a good expert. Experts need to err on the side of caution. and yes Propylene Glycol (industrial) can be used as an antifreeze.. but so can vodka! The long term effects of Vaping might be unknown but the long term effects of smoking (even without the nasty "C" word) are well known and not pleasant.
From the reactions I got:
Smokers are usually curious: How does it taste? Does it help quitting? How close is it to a real cigarette? Some people I know I let them take a drag, I don't do that with complete strangers... bit scared of their germs.
Non smokers usually approve of the quitting effort but apathetic to the e-cig.. they mostly make comments about the LED (2011 and some people still get distracted by pretty lights!)
Biggest putdown I got so far (early days yet) has been: Isn't that trading one addiction for another? Well.. yes.. but I can live with that!
My blowhard neighbor: "I heard those things were just as dangerous as cigarettes"
Me: "And where did you hear that?"
Blowhard neighbor: "Oh some show. I know you done (sic) your research. I'm just sayin'"
Me: "Yes, I've educated myself. I'd like you to think about who would benefit from scaring people away from something that saves lives. Don't believe everything you hear just because it is spoken into a microphone."
(after which ensues and awkward silence...quite remarkable since its impossible to get this guy to shut up sometimes)
Me: "And where did you hear that?"
Blowhard neighbor: "Oh some show. I know you done (sic) your research. I'm just sayin'"
Me: "Yes, I've educated myself. I'd like you to think about who would benefit from scaring people away from something that saves lives. Don't believe everything you hear just because it is spoken into a microphone."
(after which ensues and awkward silence...quite remarkable since its impossible to get this guy to shut up sometimes)
... stressed, due to cig secession, to listen to some new fangled fad explanation. When I went cold turkey 17 years ago, I probably would have made an attempt to have you 'wear' your PV. Talk about misery...
I'm a computer hardware tech and work with many "educated" people but I still hear from them "I hear those are worse then cigarettes!”
My response is yeah I read those "findings" too, but I did some research and found the "findings" were found by one of the tobacco companies. Hummm I said, aren’t these the same people that keep stating the cigarettes you and I have smoked aren’t linked to any cancers.
I let them know that several health associations have done testing and tell them to look here. Yeah I'm sure they aren’t as healthy as say not vaping. But I liked to smoke just didn't like the smell or what it was doing to my health, so I tell them this is my healthier way of doing something I like.
My response is yeah I read those "findings" too, but I did some research and found the "findings" were found by one of the tobacco companies. Hummm I said, aren’t these the same people that keep stating the cigarettes you and I have smoked aren’t linked to any cancers.
I let them know that several health associations have done testing and tell them to look here. Yeah I'm sure they aren’t as healthy as say not vaping. But I liked to smoke just didn't like the smell or what it was doing to my health, so I tell them this is my healthier way of doing something I like.
I know where Woodbury is! I used to live in Minneapolis for 6 years! You guys are getting some wicked temps right now. I remember that humid horrible heat (and who could forget the friggin mosquitos). I'm a computer network/hardware/web tech too, yey to geeks! Stay cool, and welcome to the forums!
I'm really glad that I haven't been approached negatively with vaping. Now I have some steadfast intelligent comments to spew back at the nay sayers (instead of my rude, disgusted look and walk away tactic). I'm always trying to better myself! haha
I'm really glad that I haven't been approached negatively with vaping. Now I have some steadfast intelligent comments to spew back at the nay sayers (instead of my rude, disgusted look and walk away tactic). I'm always trying to better myself! haha
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