When Should We Start Stockpiling Nicotine?

[AndriaD]

I ordered a couple of 250 ml dark amber glass bottles when I ordered the nicotine. Now there is many opinions on the storage life of nicotine and i seen quite a few posters that claimed after a couple years in the freezer it was just fine. I went from three pack a day at .8 mg nicotine per cig to using on average 60 mg of nicotine in my juices a day. I dont see where I will have much problem being at 3mg juice in a year from now. If three or four years form now the nicotine loses a third of its strength, so what. I will be using two mg instead of three then. Not a big deal to me.
The point is I will be one of those the FDA wont be able to hammer much with their pointless regulations. With the exception of PG and VG I am self sufficiant for a long while now which was the goal to begin with.

But really people, those of you who quit smoking and are now vaping see yourself still using high levels of nicotine in years to come? I know its to each his own but am just curious.

Well... I've never used particularly high levels; I quit smoking while using 6mg, went up to 8mg, then 9mg, and have been at 10mg for a while now, which serves to help me refrain from "chain vaping" so much. I can't really know how my body will change in years to come, but presently I don't see any particular problem with staying at 10mg -- UNLESS they move to make it impossible or really expensive to get liquid nicotine; in that case, I might reduce somewhat, just to a) make it less expensive for me, or b) make it easier to wean completely off it, if I can't get more. Even without nicotine, I doubt very seriously that I'd stop vaping; I started smoking when I was 13, so I smoked for 3/4 of my entire life, and a behavior that well-entrenched and long-reinforced probably can't be removed, at least not without a great deal of angst, but after I've been completely off the smokes for a year or so, then reducing my nic level might not be a huge deal.

Andria

 

[Rossum]

But really people, those of you who quit smoking and are now vaping see yourself still using high levels of nicotine in years to come? I know its to each his own but am just curious.

Yes. I quit a 2 PAD habit with 18 (and some occasional hits of 24 or even 36). After being happy with 18 for a month or so, I tried cutting to 12. All that did is to cause me to vape half again as much, which meant pretty much non-stop. So I mixed some 12 and 18 and went to 15. That's where I've been for the last 8 months, and I still vape pretty much non-stop (6-8 ml / day) despite having gone from clearos/glassos to Kayfuns to small-chambered bottom-fed RBAs in the meanwhile. There are times when I've been tempted to buy some 24 to see if it makes me vape less.

 

[seebo]

i'm waiting for the inevitable study when they conclude e-cigs to be as harmful, if not more, than traditional cigarettes..
i think all this will do is create a large blackmarket if they continue their agenda. perhaps what we should be really doing is stock piling guns and ammunition.

 

[chopdoc]

perhaps what we should be really doing is stock piling guns and ammunition.

Have few freinds with 50K rounds stored away for a rainy day. Might think about black powder too. Can get them over the mail and dont need to be registered.

Was curious about the nicotine usage. Im only 2 months since quiting and chain vape also but figured that was from the hand to mouth habit, plus I like it. Can still blow smoke (vape) rings and am able to breath again. Honestly its the best I can remember ever feeling.

 

[Rossum]

Have few freinds with 50K rounds stored away for a rainy day.

Yeah, but if that rainy day ever comes, how much of it do expect them to give you? If you need it, you'd better have something they want in trade.

Nic is kinda the same way. I might (or might not) have enough to last me the rest of my life, but if it gets to the point where it's difficult or extremely expensive to get, I'm gonna be rather reluctant to share.

 

[Mowgli]

If I Lose 1% per Year, I wonder how long it will take for my 100mg Nicotine Base to reach 50mg?

Or If I will be Alive when it Happens?

I mix for 12mg. JFTFOI I muliplied 12 x .99 until it reached ~10.
19 years to degrade to 10mg using the same mix that I use for 12mg.

I don't think it would be so linear and could drop dramatically after a certain age but IDGAF. It was just for fun.

Yep, I'm easily entertained

 

[chopdoc]

Yeah, but if that rainy day ever comes, how much of it do expect them to give you? If you need it, you'd better have something they want in trade.

I will probably run out of nicotine before I run out of ammo

Was joking around with a buddy recently about the best item to have for barter if that does happen and we stumbled upon it. Just think, the economy crashes. martial law is upon the land and stores are out of everything. Whats the one thing a woman will trade everything her hubby has for........female products (maxi pads, etc)! Stock up boys, they will be worth their weight in gold lol

 

[shgilman]

Backfill the bottle with Nitrogen and reseal. No Oxygen, no degradation... Larger molecules and less chance to outgas. Just like filling your tires with Nitrogen. Use sealing wax like they use for whiskey. Which makes me think I'll think I'll have a shot!!
Anybody care to join me?

 

[Alien Traveler]

Backfill the bottle with Nitrogen and reseal. No Oxygen, no degradation... Larger molecules and less chance to outgas. Just like filling your tires with Nitrogen. Use sealing wax like they use for whiskey. Which makes me think I'll think I'll have a shot!!
Anybody care to join me?

Fill bottles almost to the top. Very little air - not need for nitrogen at all.

 

[shgilman]

Can't argue the that!!!

 

[Rossum]

Backfill the bottle with Nitrogen and reseal. No Oxygen, no degradation... Larger molecules and less chance to outgas.

Agron is better 'cause it's heavy and thus displaces air more readily (and air is already 78% nitrogen). But there will still be some oxygen dissolved in the PG or VG in any case.

There's at least one company that sells nic base pre-packaged in amber glass bottles topped with argon.

 

[zoiDman]

Agron is better 'cause it's heavy and thus displaces air more readily (and air is already 78% nitrogen). But there will still be some oxygen dissolved in the PG or VG in any case.

There's at least one company that sells nic base pre-packaged in amber glass bottles topped with argon.

I use Helium because it Makes the Bottle lighter to Pick Up.

 

[Rossum]

While you have the lid off the bottle -- you want a heavy gas to form a "pool" in the headspace of the bottle before you re-seal it. Helium would work fine if you held the bottle upside down, but it would be kinda tricky to keep your nic base in there then.

 

[zoiDman]

While you have the lid off the bottle -- you want a heavy gas to form a "pool" in the headspace of the bottle before you re-seal it. Helium would work fine if you held the bottle upside down, but it would be kinda tricky to keep your nic base in there then.

I Freeze the Nicotine Base First.

 

[Rossum]

How cold do you have to get it before it stays put in an upside-down bottle?

 

[zoiDman]

How cold do you have to get it before it stays put in an upside-down bottle?

Very Ca-Ca-Ca Cold.

 

[shgilman]

Helium not good.
Small molecules that escape easily. We used to use it to find leaks in IC packages after laser welding the lids, (old General Dynamics days of the Stinger Missile Program) I was working on part of the guidance system in Rancho Cucamonga, CA.
Need large molecules and inert.

 

[doctordun]

Does 100mg nicotine in pg expand when it is freezing?
I worry about glass in a freezer breaking.
Should it be kept in the plastic container it comes in when you freeze it?

 

[zoiDman]

Does 100mg nicotine in pg expand when it is freezing?
I worry about glass in a freezer breaking.
Should it be kept in the plastic container it comes in when you freeze it?

I haven't seen much Expansion in Nicotine Bases when you put them in the Freezer. But I like to put the Cap on Loose and leave some Head Space until it is as Cold as it is going to get. Then I Screw the Cap on Tight.

I would use Glass for Long Term Storage. If you are worried about something clinking into the bottle, you could tape a piece of Cardboard onto the Bottle. Or maybe even Bubble Wrap.

 

[Mowgli]

Does 100mg nicotine in pg expand when it is freezing?
I worry about glass in a freezer breaking.
Should it be kept in the plastic container it comes in when you freeze it?

Water is the only liquid that expands when frozen.
You shouldn't have any water in your nic solution so no problem.

My first few liters I filled to the brim to keep oxygen out.
I don't think a well shaken bottle of nic solution would separate in storage but I feel better about shaking before use.
I now leave a little headroom so I can shake it thoroughly when I take a bottle out of cold storage.

Glass for storage. I split my 250ml bottles down to a 120, a 60 & two 30s when I break one out.
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Get more than you think you'll need (within reason)
Just like brains, brawn, sex and money - it's better to have and not need than need and not have