When Should We Start Stockpiling Nicotine?
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Because the money is not intended to give people a free pass for smoking and to buy them out necessarily -- it's to mitigate the overall impact to society, decreased productivity, decreased tax revenue, increased morbidity and inefficiency, increased demand on resources outside of the hospital setting. Every smoker getting treatment in the hospital is less resources for the ER, etc.
tobacco does have disastrous effects on the population at large, though I'm not saying the money is conscientiously spent 100% on the right motives. I'm sure a lot of it goes into largely ineffective advertising campaigns and such.
tobacco does have disastrous effects on the population at large, though I'm not saying the money is conscientiously spent 100% on the right motives. I'm sure a lot of it goes into largely ineffective advertising campaigns and such.
when one realizes all of these losses to decreased productivity are bogus and or do not mean anything we
will be stuck in this never ending cycle of BS.
if one does not meet expected profit margins from the labor you perform you are performing under standard.
on the other hand if profits are up due to your efforts,so what that's what you are required to do.
either way.you don't get any extra money.
as a side note let me point out there is no proof ever of tobacco taxes ever being used to pay
a sick smokers medical bill.ever.show me the invoice.
been there.done that regards
mike
People might think the government needs to find their tail with both hands before they react but I believe thats just a pipe dream. The vape industry is seriously cutting into the tobacco and pharmacuitical profits and the idustries are leaning hard on the FDA because of this. People claim the FDA can only regulate nicotine yet it seems our governmen knows no constraints anymore and does what it wants, not what is right. If the EPA can give indians millions of acres of land regardless of previous legislation, what does anyone think the FDA will do. Cartomizers and atomizers will be deemed nicotine delivery devices and will not have a tax placed on them but a surcharge to make them unaffordable. PG, VG, and flavor concentrates will also be deemed "medical" and surcharged.
Look at all the surveys thats been popping up recently on how ecigs does not help people quit smoking. Yet go stop in the newbie section of ECF and you will see at least 10 times a day of "hi, im new and just quit smoking because of vaping". Hell, I did it too. Yet big tobacco and pharma stands a lot to loose if the FDA dont do something to shut vaping down and make it unaffordable. Thats why they wont go with just a tax, they will use a surcharge and go after all aspects of the vaping community to include juices, liquids and mods. The vaping community is enjoying a hobby for the most part responsibilly and are doing a good job of self policing itself but thats inmaterial. Many palms will be greased, bribes will be made, kickbacks funded to ensure the vaping industry is put in its place.
Look at all the surveys thats been popping up recently on how ecigs does not help people quit smoking. Yet go stop in the newbie section of ECF and you will see at least 10 times a day of "hi, im new and just quit smoking because of vaping". Hell, I did it too. Yet big tobacco and pharma stands a lot to loose if the FDA dont do something to shut vaping down and make it unaffordable. Thats why they wont go with just a tax, they will use a surcharge and go after all aspects of the vaping community to include juices, liquids and mods. The vaping community is enjoying a hobby for the most part responsibilly and are doing a good job of self policing itself but thats inmaterial. Many palms will be greased, bribes will be made, kickbacks funded to ensure the vaping industry is put in its place.
Not gonna happen. It would raise the prices of food too much. They are used in way too many products. The FDA may go after nicotine, but there are ways around this.
Not too mention the writing will be on the wall well before the regulations take effect. Usually there is a year or two after new FDA regulations go into place, before enforcement. There WILL be lawsuits challenging the legality of any proposed regulations. There is a little known provision that requires extensive feasibility studies to be performed when new public health policies have a projected cost of over $750million. Here is a link to an argument based on this position, and mention of several problems with the FDA current moves. E-cigs are legal right now, so the burden will be on the FDA when regulating. This will probably be the best legal argument, and the lower courts will probably grant an injunction all the way to the Supreme Court.
https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/fda-should...enefit-analysis-evaluate-proposed-regulations
Yep,
Its ammo.
223 for the AR15
308 for a long range hunting rifle, (sniper, great deer hunting)
762 used in the AK47
45ACP used mostly in handguns, (law enforcement and a great assailant stopper) and a few semi auto rifles that can't hit the broadside of a barn.
Gotta remember, I live in Texas.
Its ammo.
223 for the AR15
308 for a long range hunting rifle, (sniper, great deer hunting)
762 used in the AK47
45ACP used mostly in handguns, (law enforcement and a great assailant stopper) and a few semi auto rifles that can't hit the broadside of a barn.
Gotta remember, I live in Texas.
I just received my liter of 100 mg nicotine from MFS and its more than I imagined. I like my juice around 10 mg and with the liter that takes 10mg per 100 ml batch. That will make up 10,000 ml of juice for me so I am good for at least 3 years. Eventually I want to drop my juices to 3mg so I can hold there forever and take it or leave it if need be so the FDA wont hurt me much but still will help fight anything that comes down the pike. Im a huge advocate for smaller government and dont trust them a bit so my concerns might be considered overboard by some.
Wouldn mind some of that .45 ACP ammo
Wouldn mind some of that .45 ACP ammo
Here's a post from someone at 17 months with 0 loss in strength (post #29):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...freezing-100mg-nicotine-base.html#post8895379
Here's the frozen storage post that most people link to (post #7):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ttle-help-freezing-nic-juice.html#post2126610
I've read peoples' test results stating 0-1% loss over several years of correct frozen storage.
I expect a .5% to 1% strength loss per year max and that's perfectly acceptable to me
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...freezing-100mg-nicotine-base.html#post8895379
Here's the frozen storage post that most people link to (post #7):
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ttle-help-freezing-nic-juice.html#post2126610
I've read peoples' test results stating 0-1% loss over several years of correct frozen storage.
I expect a .5% to 1% strength loss per year max and that's perfectly acceptable to me
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From one member's experience, it appears that four years in the freezer, 60mg PG base in glass, results in virtually unchanged nic http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/479021-shelf-life-nicotine.html#post11157728
I'm taking that and other things I've read to lead me to thinking six to ten years is likely to be the usable limit for 100mg in the freezer, under similar conditions. I'm expecting a loss of 1% per year in nic strength.
It comes down to the tradeoff of lower priced available nic now versus possibly higher priced, less available nic one or two years from now. Although there's no immediate need to stock up, my conclusion about frozen stored nic makes having some now an easy choice.
I'm taking that and other things I've read to lead me to thinking six to ten years is likely to be the usable limit for 100mg in the freezer, under similar conditions. I'm expecting a loss of 1% per year in nic strength.
It comes down to the tradeoff of lower priced available nic now versus possibly higher priced, less available nic one or two years from now. Although there's no immediate need to stock up, my conclusion about frozen stored nic makes having some now an easy choice.
What are those other things you've read? If it loses 1% per year, after 10 years, that 100mg/ml is becomes 90 mg/ml. Why would that be unusable?
My theory is that if it remains well sealed in glass (through which no oxygen can diffuse) the losses should actually decrease over time as there's simply no oxygen left in the bottle to decompose the remaining nicotine.
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It is Actually a Little More than 90mg. But I suppose that Straight Line Calculations are close enough for what you are doing.
post #18 @ http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...4-important-freeze-nicotine.html#post14068813
Another good thread to read for anyone concerned with nic storage
Another good thread to read for anyone concerned with nic storage
I was under the impression that it is the base "solution" that goes bad not what the potency of the nic remaining is. If there is really no problem I will certainly get some. If it truly becomes a big problem to get more I might be motivated to reduce levels slowly to zero. Aside from feeling better blah blah I think my greatest enjoyment has come from NOT BENDING OVER for the lynch mob mentality gov sin tax anymore.
A concern for me is my power frequently goes out in the winter so I wonder if it effects it to thaw and refreeze. It sure does with most food stuffs..
A concern for me is my power frequently goes out in the winter so I wonder if it effects it to thaw and refreeze. It sure does with most food stuffs..
I ordered a couple of 250 ml dark amber glass bottles when I ordered the nicotine. Now there is many opinions on the storage life of nicotine and i seen quite a few posters that claimed after a couple years in the freezer it was just fine. I went from three pack a day at .8 mg nicotine per cig to using on average 60 mg of nicotine in my juices a day. I dont see where I will have much problem being at 3mg juice in a year from now. If three or four years form now the nicotine loses a third of its strength, so what. I will be using two mg instead of three then. Not a big deal to me.
The point is I will be one of those the FDA wont be able to hammer much with their pointless regulations. With the exception of PG and VG I am self sufficiant for a long while now which was the goal to begin with.
But really people, those of you who quit smoking and are now vaping see yourself still using high levels of nicotine in years to come? I know its to each his own but am just curious.
The point is I will be one of those the FDA wont be able to hammer much with their pointless regulations. With the exception of PG and VG I am self sufficiant for a long while now which was the goal to begin with.
But really people, those of you who quit smoking and are now vaping see yourself still using high levels of nicotine in years to come? I know its to each his own but am just curious.
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