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I'm gonna sue BT for the total vaping expense, and prospected cost of my vaping journey, in an effort to cessate from the product they produced and got me addicted by my own free will.
I understand that people underage shouldn't start a nicotine habit. I also don't like the fact that underage vaping is being used as a tool to stop vaping altogether. The thing is, if the kids end up starting a nicotine habit, and they really probably will, I would rather have them vape than smoke.
So how big a thing is underage and teen vaping in the US? I read conflicting information. I have read things suggesting 1 in 8 vapers are underage and/or 1 in 8 vapers had not smoked prior to vaping. I find all that hard to believe but that's based on my observations here in the UK. Maybe the US is different.
A lot of the available information seems muddied by referring to use of 'tobacco products' including vaping.
A lot of the available information seems muddied by referring to use of 'tobacco products' including vaping.
According to some whose interests are advanced by ongoing and restrictive regulation, we have an "epidemic" over here of teens vaping who have never smoked. This is an idea that I take with extreme skepticism.
As I say, I read conflicting information. I was hoping more from a perspective re what you guys see, as you live there.
Look the tobacco companies got sued decades ago and then everyone was like, "Moving on." They weathered the storm due to the addictive nature of their product and a little bit because they hid it an like hid studies. Then they had to: 1) pay for some anti smoking advertising (which cleverly make you want to smoke) 2) Provide really ineffective quitting programs for smokers who want to quit 3) warning labels 4) That's about it really other than no more tobacco advertising.
Perhaps vaping will do the same. I'd rather have it legal and providing a "kiddo fund' but also lining the pockets of politicians and etc.
Because they cannot prove vaping is harmful (yet) they are going after the kids and it's a decent strategy.
I would enjoy suing the parents of the Juul kid lawsuit or whatever, but I'm not entirely sure it's possible.
Anna
Perhaps vaping will do the same. I'd rather have it legal and providing a "kiddo fund' but also lining the pockets of politicians and etc.
Because they cannot prove vaping is harmful (yet) they are going after the kids and it's a decent strategy.
I would enjoy suing the parents of the Juul kid lawsuit or whatever, but I'm not entirely sure it's possible.
Anna
Most of us here are just reading the news also. But, a few things I do know...
1. In about 10 months, all companies that don't register their vaping products with the FDA and get subsequent approval, will not be able to sell vape products any more. It costs alot to register each product, so small companies will virtually disappear.
2. The state of Vermont has already enacted laws that ban online sales of vape products, and have levied a 92% tax on all vape products sold locally.
3. The city of San Francisco has banned vaping altogether.
I've not actually seen any teens vaping, but I'm probably not often where teens are likely to hang out.
I was at a church picnic last summer, and found out one of the women was a high school teacher. I asked her if her school had a problem with teens vaping. She told me the school had a surprise locker inspection one day, I assume looking for drugs or maybe even firearms? Officials found a couple of vape pens in a couple of lockers. I wouldn't call that evidence of a teen epidemic, but I agree a minor should not be vaping.
When at the public library I will often step outside to vape. Teen kids are often out there "hanging around" and socializing. They'll comment on the nice aroma and ask me what flavor I'm vaping (Coffee Cake if your interested). A few will even ask can they try it, but I just smile and shake my head no and tell them they aren't old enough to vape.
Because BT bought their way out .. then, many States, instead of using the money as intended, decided to spend it on what ever they wanted ..
Just another Day in the Life .. "Welcome to the Machine" ..
Just another Day in the Life .. "Welcome to the Machine" ..
Alcohol and cigarettes are ok but the powers that be want to ban vaping. The same powers that be are legalizing Mary jane, magic mushrooms and peyote.
I LOVE teens, some of them vape, they all know what vaping is and etc. But not the MAJORITY of them, other than maybe trying it once. I talk to a lot of teens.
One teen did something so egregious to the cause of vaping I was seriously listening to the news to see if the parents had got that stuff down in time. I also pledged to never speak of it, ever. It was that bad. The ANZIS would have had A FIELD DAY.
I was kinda nervous actually.
Anna
One teen did something so egregious to the cause of vaping I was seriously listening to the news to see if the parents had got that stuff down in time. I also pledged to never speak of it, ever. It was that bad. The ANZIS would have had A FIELD DAY.
I was kinda nervous actually.
Anna
Oh to be fair the psychedelics aren't any big deal if you find yourself the appropriate minder. This is ALSO a money thing.
At some point, even if it "Goes away" I think vaping will be legal. I think all of it will be legal.
I think that's better than a black market there are absolutely no guarantees of purity,
It's just the vape and cigarettes, dueling it out. They are too similar and sadly, the government is backing the wrong horse. They should have learned from England but did they? No. They are going to have to go through prohibition AGAIN to get their heads out of their rear end and that is just no fun for anyone.
Anna
At some point, even if it "Goes away" I think vaping will be legal. I think all of it will be legal.
I think that's better than a black market there are absolutely no guarantees of purity,
It's just the vape and cigarettes, dueling it out. They are too similar and sadly, the government is backing the wrong horse. They should have learned from England but did they? No. They are going to have to go through prohibition AGAIN to get their heads out of their rear end and that is just no fun for anyone.
Anna
As a Semi-Libertarian .. and in support of States digging for the last Nickel out of the Couch Cushions .. perhaps Prostitution will be the next Vice to go Mainstream .. it's generally always a Quest for the Tax Dollar anyway ..
"Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game" ..
"Don't Hate the Player, Hate the Game" ..
Couple of corrections for those who don't wish to take the time to delve deeper:
1) The deadline for registration is long past. Registration was relatively easy, and there wasn't really any way for the FDA to refuse a registration. The deadline next May is for submitting PMTAs. Those are very difficult and expensive to produce, and the FDA can easily reject them.
3) The city of San Francisco has not "banned vaping altogether". The have banned the sale of vapor products that do not have PMTA approval. It remains legal to vape in SF.
Personal experience isn't conjecture. For example I see on a daily basis underage smoking and am often asked for a cigarette or if I will buy them for underage people. I live in London but on the outskirts now, not in the middle. I very rarely see underage people vaping. Can't remember the last time I did. I do see kids smoking dope, drinking and sniffing laughing gas from balloons. Regularly.
Every time I see I new vape shop appear I will go in for a look and (try to) converse with staff. I always ask about 'non smoker vapers', ie 'How many of your customers have never smoked prior to vaping?'' The last place I asked she said five. How many of that five use nic?
One. That would be adults, or at least of legal age to buy vape products which is 18 and over. Her reply would be about the average.
I see no evidence of any underage epidemic, or non smokers taking up vaping epidemic where I live and the places I frequent. I ride around a fair bit on my bike.
Non of that is very scientific but neither is the news articles we are reading or even some of the ''studies'' done by ''researchers''.
Agree completely, as a teen avoider, I have no personal experience and studiously avoid getting any. If I offered a thought, it would be mere conjecture. I agree wholeheartedly about dubious "studies".
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