Where is vaping going?

[sofarsogood]

vaping indoors? They were far more lenient with you than I've seen around my neck of the woods.

The sign entering Detroit metro airport said no smoking and nothing about vaping. I sat away from people at an inactive gate and tried to avoid visible vapor. When I got to Newark airport the signs around the outdoor sidewalk area said $250 fine for smoking, didn't mention vaping. People were smoking never the less and there were cigarette butts everywhere because there is no place to put them. If there is no visible vapor I could be sucking on the device without pushing the fire button. Have they made a rule about that too? Then shouldn't they ban eating food in the waiting areas? Last June I did jury duty in the Federal court house and vaped in the jury room. There is going into the court building. Security asks, what is this. I say, an ecigarette. It passes. Most of those guys are retired vets.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Yup, small diameter RTAs are rare at any power level. Probably more out there that take heads, which are mostly rebuildable too. Lately I've been looking for wider and shorter low power RTAs for better pocketability and there are few of those too.

I think there is GG gear that is small in diameter. If you don't mind clones they've probably been done. I have a Vision Eternity that is tiny enough to fit on a eGo battery. Performance isn't fantastic, but is surprisingly good for a tank that size.

If you don't mind dripping there are some really great tiny RDAs out there too.

Good luck with it

The Vision Eternity is one of the most overlooked sleeper devices I ever encountered in vaping. Elegant on an eGo but coupled with the eGo connect of a Magneto and 18490, truly amazing…particularly with popular and nuanced juices like AV BB or Tribeca for the diversity of notes on the cooler side. A wonderful warm vape you could Kick and lung hit a bit with a 350. Yawsa. It was the first device that started to reveal to me the densities that were possible in an atomizer and largely led to my project to proselytize the advantages of optimizing Kanger Protank builds and performance with strain.

An advocate of simply and precisely controlled vapes I'm partial to open systems at any and all levels of power. As a technologist and early adopter and like most today I'd love the pocket mods if I'd learned nothing from my own research. But new vapers are increasingly going to be drawn to the vape-in-a-box and with fewer and fewer of us dedicated to the notion of repeatable rebuilding precision. That is where the momentum of the big vape takes us. To the characterization and derisive diminution of variable power (along with mech's) as a hobby and all-in-ones for the rest of us.

So perhaps the greater mystery to me is the enthusiasm with which the industry has led us to the former while preparing us for the latter.

Merry Christmas and good luck all chasing that unicorn.

 

[MacTechVpr]

High power is about bragging rights and/or clouds. Fire breathing is primordial.

Sounds familiar, humm. G'luck and a merry.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

There is an advantage to the high power multi battery mods. Battery life. I use dual battery mods almost exclusively and at 30-40 watts I can last more than a day. I don't have to carry extra batteries with me. I think my batteries are less stressed too since I don't drain them out. I charge them before I go to bed.

 

[Ryedan]

The Vision Eternity is one of the most overlooked sleeper devices I ever encountered in vaping. Elegant on an eGo but coupled with the eGo connect of a Magneto and 18490, truly amazing…particularly with popular and nuanced juices like AV BB or Tribeca for the diversity of notes on the cooler side. A wonderful warm vape you could Kick and lung hit a bit with a 350. Yawsa.

I couldn't agree with you more MacTech . I don't hang out in the tootle puffer group, maybe it's got more of a following there, but I hardly ever see it mentioned anywhere. I think people overlook it due to the tiny size. I would use mine again these days, but the 1.6 ml tank is a bit small for me. Performance really shines in dripping mode and it holds a whack of juice that way, but I still would have to drip once in a while. OTOH, for stealth on a small eGo battery or small mech mod it's simply fantastic (and it doesn't leak ).

 

[mongo74]

Oh, that was you I ran into at LGA? Hey, after the damn traffic to get into the airport, you've got to somehow relax before finding out your flight is delayed two hours because the plane is still in Charleston.

LOL! I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

 

[sofarsogood]

There is an advantage to the high power multi battery mods. Battery life. I use dual battery mods almost exclusively and at 30-40 watts I can last more than a day. I don't have to carry extra batteries with me. I think my batteries are less stressed too since I don't drain them out. I charge them before I go to bed.

My Pico, vtc mini and a cuboid all have puff timers. I compared them. All three gave basically identical puff time with identical settings and build at 30 max watts and 400 degrees. The Cuboid, which carries two cells in series is gathering dust.

 

[smokinGAVIN]

My Pico, vtc mini and a cuboid all have puff timers. I compared them. All three gave basically identical puff time with identical settings and build at 30 max watts and 400 degrees. The Cuboid, which carries two cells in series is gathering dust.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong because single battery mods don't last the day with me. My cuboid is also gathering dust but for a different reason. I also don't use temp control. Maybe that has something to do with it.

 

[Falco78]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong because single battery mods don't last the day with me. My cuboid is also gathering dust but for a different reason. I also don't use temp control. Maybe that has something to do with it.

With a 3x18650 mod I barely get a day but I love higher wattage lately. Below 50 is becoming less and less common to me

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[smokinGAVIN]

With a 3x18650 mod I barely get a day but I love higher wattage lately. Below 50 is becoming less and less common to me

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I sometimes go as high as 45 Watts with my drippers but my sweet spot is 35 Watts.

 

[SemoJD]

There is an advantage to the high power multi battery mods. Battery life. I use dual battery mods almost exclusively and at 30-40 watts I can last more than a day. I don't have to carry extra batteries with me. I think my batteries are less stressed too since I don't drain them out. I charge them before I go to bed.

I'm finding this to be my experience as well....I had planned to use my Kangertech Subox Mini as my "work vape" with my Smok Alien as the at-home-sunday-go-to-meetin' vape. But as it stands, the Subox Mini is gathering dust while the Alien is my 24/7 vape.

JD

 

[Falco78]

I sometimes go as high as 45 Watts with my drippers but my sweet spot is 35 Watts.

Yeah it's all about what works best for your vaping needs. Every tank/dripper/mod is a bit different and also the coil build makes a huge difference

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[Cheallaigh]

I sometimes go as high as 45 Watts with my drippers but my sweet spot is 35 Watts.

that's part of what irked me about the OP's position... my usual vape is 22.5 to 25w... the squonker is mech so i do build it at .2 because that is the proper setup for it, the other squonker is a 160w running at 45w to 65w depending on the coil setup since i single up to quad coil in it. yes i can produce a lot of clouds if i wanted too, and i have for fun, but my main focus is taste. as mac knows i build my own coils, i enjoy building them, i get to pick what kind of vape i want by doing this... i bought the dual battery squonker because of the coils i wanted to experiment with and for the longer battery time... my usual 3000 mah batteries barely last 2 hours in the single mods.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Although I shamelessly admit to a rampaging seemingly self-replicating array of high-power mods, I live by a simple principle. The answer to better battery life is a second mechanical.

Good luck all and a very merry.

 

[beckdg]

I don't want to offend anyone with my views and if you blow clouds and it keeps you off the stinky's then brilliant but I hope you can see my point.

Just your average, every day "my way is THE right way" rant.

Until it went totally off the rails delusional here...

If you want the world health to take vaping seriously make more cigarette sessions devices not fog machines. Or big tobacco will do and are doing just that.

Assuming by world health, you meant the organization.



Tapatyped

 

[MacTechVpr]

Just your average, every day "my way is THE right way" rant.

Until it went totally off the rails delusional here...



Assuming by world health, you meant the organization.



Tapatyped

Since the 1st thread I was active on here the numbers haven't seemed to change. Half of us appear still smitten with an ingrained guilt for being tobacco users. Convinced we must hide to survive. To plead for the accommodation of authority. At the pleasure of one and all. We build our own closets and all seem to do it to some extent. We've kicked the stink but can't beat that link. Not a criticism but an unavoidable observation. Bad habits die hard. And the worst maybe was not smoking at all but the self-deprication brought by political correctness.

Good luck all.

 

[Phil P]

that's part of what irked me about the OP's position... my usual vape is 22.5 to 25w... the squonker is mech so i do build it at .2 because that is the proper setup for it, the other squonker is a 160w running at 45w to 65w depending on the coil setup since i single up to quad coil in it. yes i can produce a lot of clouds if i wanted too, and i have for fun, but my main focus is taste. as mac knows i build my own coils, i enjoy building them, i get to pick what kind of vape i want by doing this... i bought the dual battery squonker because of the coils i wanted to experiment with and for the longer battery time... my usual 3000 mah batteries barely last 2 hours in the single mods.

I'm very sorry I irked you. I'm not having a go at people for how they choose to vape. And if your a hobbyist like me I imagined you have experimented with all sorts of vape styles.
Look guys my issue isn't with the hobbyists vaper who's more than likely been vaping for a while and knows their stuff.
My issue is that ever since the arctic tank hit the seen mtl gear has taken a bake seat and been almost forgotten about by the mainstream manufacturers.


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[MacTechVpr]

I'm very sorry I irked you. I'm not having a go at people for how they choose to vape. And if your a hobbyist like me I imagined you have experimented with all sorts of vape styles.
Look guys my issue isn't with the hobbyists vaper who's more than likely been vaping for a while and knows their stuff.
My issue is that ever since the arctic tank hit the seen mtl gear has taken a bake seat and been almost forgotten about by the mainstream manufacturers.


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Echo your sentiments Phil and think I understand where you're coming from. There has been perhaps too much of an emphasis on power as the be all, end all. Good flavor performance and high power are not mutually exclusive though I think. Plenty of anecdotal evidence from user accounts here that once cloud chasing runs its course a good number of us seek a middle ground that's productive and rewarding. I'd agree that it seems to be ignored for the moment but that's where the smart money should go.

Good luck all.

 

[sofarsogood]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong because single battery mods don't last the day with me. My cuboid is also gathering dust but for a different reason. I also don't use temp control. Maybe that has something to do with it.

I build 1.3 ohm stainless coils. I don't go above 20 watts in power mode or I have to redrip too often to avoid dry hits. With temp control I can go to 30 watts with a 400 degree temp limit. I get about the same amount of vapor, it's warmer, which I want, and no dry hits. I suspect power consumption is the same or more efficient with the temp control settings I use compared to 20 watts in power mode. I view temp control as power mode with a temperature limit.

 

[Eskie]

I build 1.3 ohm stainless coils. I don't go above 20 watts in power mode or I have to redrip too often to avoid dry hits. With temp control I can go to 30 watts with a 400 degree temp limit. I get about the same amount of vapor, it's warmer, which I want, and no dry hits. I suspect power consumption is the same or more efficient with the temp control settings I use compared to 20 watts in power mode. I view temp control as power mode with a temperature limit.

That's really all TC is, a power mode with a cap. Even on my "bigger" builds with say dual Claptons, other than a preheat of 75W for 1 second, I'm capping at 40W 450F. If I look at my mod in eScribe's Device monitor (for my DNA mods), other than that momentary burst of power, once the coil is at 450F my power consumption frequently tails off to 15-20W, and if I go for more than 3 or 4 seconds (my usual pull) even lower.

Yes, I do generate some cloud with that, but for me it's the flavor that really comes out. I can also get great flavor out of a single coil build in the right tank like a Merlin (I'm one of the blessed where it doesn't leak, yay me). Obviously I need less power and can drop perheat completely as a simple coil isn't going to take more than a fraction of a second to heat up enough for my preference.

I believe there's a place for all vaping styles based on preference. Low power tight draw mtl is great for many. Some folks really do enjoy blowing clouds, and I say let them have their fun. I fall into that middle sort of category of midpower use for flavor with some cloud being a distant secondary to my enjoyment.

Oh, and I keep some low power mtl higher nic setups around for traveling where I want virtually no cloud but want enough nic to keep me happy. So it is possible for a vaper to vary how they vape depending on circumstance. With that in mind, a wide range in available hardware is the best solution for all users.