Where is vaping going?

[Foggy Road]

It's going no place that I care to follow.

 

[Cheallaigh]

I'm very sorry I irked you. I'm not having a go at people for how they choose to vape. And if your a hobbyist like me I imagined you have experimented with all sorts of vape styles.
Look guys my issue isn't with the hobbyists vaper who's more than likely been vaping for a while and knows their stuff.
My issue is that ever since the arctic tank hit the seen mtl gear has taken a bake seat and been almost forgotten about by the mainstream manufacturers.
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i don't think it has... icare/icare mini, and 5 or 6 new pods have come out this year... they've been getting great reviews on here and in other places and they are purely MtL and non-OMGZ CLOUDZ! types. i think that is a step in the right direction. they are an improved device over the older vape pens.

 

[Eskie]

i don't think it has... icare/icare mini, and 5 or 6 new pods have come out this year... they've been getting great reviews on here and in other places and they are purely MtL and non-OMGZ CLOUDZ! types. i think that is a step in the right direction. they are an improved device over the older vape pens.

I agree with you that the newer pod mods are way better than what came before and certainly over cigalikes. I do get the frustration of the OP as being able to customize your stuff is a big part of vaping if you're looking for that activity. The pods are great for folks who want a simple, no thought solution. But there is a dearth in the market of newer mtl tanks. Yes, a few RTAs, but not everyone wants to build. Outside of the Nauti X released this year I can't come up with other traditional tanks for mtl. I think one or two came out with factory coils >1 ohm, but unless the airflow provides a tight draw, a true mtl experience is tough to get.

I think as the TPD kicks in for the EU, and tank volumes are held to 2 ml, you will see more mtl friendly tanks coming out, as 2 ml is pretty frustrating if it's only set up for clouds. and if you have to refill every hour, you might as well drip. So maybe that will drive some more mtl choices onto the market.

 

[sofarsogood]

That's really all TC is, a power mode with a cap. Even on my "bigger" builds with say dual Claptons, other than a preheat of 75W for 1 second, I'm capping at 40W 450F. If I look at my mod in eScribe's Device monitor (for my DNA mods), other than that momentary burst of power, once the coil is at 450F my power consumption frequently tails off to 15-20W, and if I go for more than 3 or 4 seconds (my usual pull) even lower.

Yes, I do generate some cloud with that, but for me it's the flavor that really comes out. I can also get great flavor out of a single coil build in the right tank like a Merlin (I'm one of the blessed where it doesn't leak, yay me). Obviously I need less power and can drop perheat completely as a simple coil isn't going to take more than a fraction of a second to heat up enough for my preference.

I believe there's a place for all vaping styles based on preference. Low power tight draw mtl is great for many. Some folks really do enjoy blowing clouds, and I say let them have their fun. I fall into that middle sort of category of midpower use for flavor with some cloud being a distant secondary to my enjoyment.

Oh, and I keep some low power mtl higher nic setups around for traveling where I want virtually no cloud but want enough nic to keep me happy. So it is possible for a vaper to vary how they vape depending on circumstance. With that in mind, a wide range in available hardware is the best solution for all users.

I'm the last person to tell anybody else how to vape but I'm open about what I do to support people inclined to have a similar approach. It would be regretable if the public perceives that clouds are the norm because it makes them quicker to support more restrictions. I regret the popularity of high power setups because those people seem to have more than their share of the accidents, mostly from carrying spare cells in an unsafe way. I wish cloud competitions were in power classes to encourage vapers to show the kinds of clouds possible from lower powered setups. One of the reasons I keep a cap on power is so I don't have to carry spare batteries, safely or otherwise. A 3000 mAH battery makes it almost through a full day for me. If I can do any recharging during the day I'm good and that would be almost all days. For real all day endurance I've got a Pico Mega with a 26650. (Your results may vary.)

What I see when I shop online is endless variations of little relevence to me. There's no mod I'd rather use than the Pico and no atomizer I'd rather use than my SV rda clone. Life is good.

 

[Phil P]

Oh, and I keep some low power mtl higher nic setups around for traveling where I want virtually no cloud but want enough nic to keep me happy. So it is possible for a vaper to vary how they vape depending on circumstance. With that in mind, a wide range in available hardware is the best solution for all users.

Funny you should mention higher nic. A lot of juices being produced in only low nic strengths. Not a problem for me as I diy, but for those that don't??

I think as the TPD kicks in for the EU, and tank volumes are held to 2 ml, you will see more mtl friendly tanks coming out, as 2 ml is pretty frustrating if it's only set up for clouds. and if you have to refill every hour, you might as well drip. So maybe that will drive some more mtl choices onto the market.

The TPD may bring its problems but i guess it may bring some benefits. I guess I'll be stock piling some nic very soon.



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[Phil P]

i don't think it has... icare/icare mini, and 5 or 6 new pods have come out this year... they've been getting great reviews on here and in other places and they are purely MtL and non-OMGZ CLOUDZ! types. i think that is a step in the right direction. they are an improved device over the older vape pens.

pods??? No thank you I would like more choice than that [emoji848]



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[Ben85]

I couldn't care less how someone vapes and I wouldn't dream of questioning or criticising another. The important thing is that we don't smoke tobacco. If you have found a hobby from it (as I have) then good on you. Not only have you quit the stinkies but you have found something to keep you busy too.

 

[Cheallaigh]

i honestly have no idea what i am looking at.

 

[GrowthCurve]

Nemesis mod and some kind of bottom coil tank, but i don't know tanks very well. So many!!

 

[Phil P]

i honestly have no idea what i am looking at.

18mm mini nemi clone 14500 mech mod and a ehpro big Buddha mini rta, it's a great light weight, pocketable , relatively inexpensive set up.

This sort of stuff just isn't being produced anymore.
It's all big tanks and big air.






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[Eskie]

Funny you should mention higher nic. A lot of juices being produced in only low nic strengths. Not a problem for me as I diy, but for those that don't??



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I know. When I first started with an actual vape tank, not a cigalike, I used a 24 mg juice. I needed back then. While I don't use that anymore, down to 6, I doubt I would have been still smoke free without that high nic to start. I also have noticed more vendors topping out at 12 mg. I DIY so it doesn't affect me one way or another, but I'm sure there are folks who give up when they can't get a juice to satisfy their need.


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[puffon]

Kayfun Mini V3
$11.99 Kayfun Mini V3 Styled RTA Rebuildable Tank Atomizer - 2ml / 316 stainless steel + glass at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping
2ml, 19mm, small air....

You might get some ideas in this thread:
Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)

 

[GrowthCurve]

I'm kind of wondering aloud if we all have a 'skewed' sense of how the non-vaping public sees us. Or if they even see us at all?

I mean, we all probably started on some sort of cigalike or ego kit. The desire for a better setup lead to google, and finding forums, and online vendors. We did the research, and joined groups. A well-respected member of this forum commented to me a long time ago (when i was 'little orphan'....) that the people in my town would have no idea what the vape set up that i carried even was!!

Where i live, in the Midwest--i have just started to see b and m vape stores open up. I have gone into a couple. They carried nothing that i use--i collect old timey attys. The one shop in the mall had a few eleaf gear.

I never see 'vapers-in-the-wild'. Ever.

So i guess my point is, unless one is acting without manners and making huge clouds where it is not welcomed--maybe we are under the radar more than we realize. Other than this FDA nonsense.

Sorry...i've been watching alot of SciFi

 

[NOVA jon]

I honestly think you get out of it, what you put into it!! If you want something to satisfy the inner cloud chaser, the tootle puffer or the flavor chaser, you can find it, you just have to put in a little effort, but it's very doable to find what makes you happy!

 

[mountaingal]

After almost 5 years of vaping, I honestly believe that "anything" that keeps me off cigs is what I am after. The anything is the nicotine. I started at 2.4% nic and am down to 2.0%. Haha.
I really, really, really tried to go lower. I was OK at 1.8% but when I went to 1.2% I wasn't satisfied, vaping every two minutes is exhausting. The 2.0% keeps me happy.
I am one of the few people here who also use 2mg nicotine gum AND vape. I chew gum at the movies, at restaurants, and on planes. Then I will go outside and vape. A funny thing is, I get hiccups when I chew the gum, which is a sign of overuse, but never with the vape. The gum works, but I like blowing the vape "smoke" and making "smoke" rings.
I use Kangertech subtanks and a Clouper 30W with an 18650 battery around the house. I use a Joytech Ego Mega One around town. The smaller size is stealthier AND fits in my purse!
My point is there are set-ups for everyone. Go find yours.

 

[Eskie]

I'm kind of wondering aloud if we all have a 'skewed' sense of how the non-vaping public sees us. Or if they even see us at all?

Unfortunately, they only see us on the news when a pocket bursts into flame. Which doesn't engender a warm and fuzzy feeling about vaping for them.

 

[Cheallaigh]

Unfortunately, they only see us on the news when a pocket bursts into flame. Which doesn't engender a warm and fuzzy feeling about vaping for them.

i had a smoker tell me yesterday vaping would give me popcorn lung and it was worse than smoking... yeah they see us and really have no clue, so they just shake their collective heads at us. i educate nicely when i can and leave it at that.

 

[Cheallaigh]

18mm mini nemi clone 14500 mech mod and a ehpro big Buddha mini rta, it's a great light weight, pocketable , relatively inexpensive set up.

This sort of stuff just isn't being produced anymore.
It's all big tanks and big air.
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you know that's not true and i listed examples as have others... this whole thread is a "your way or the hwy" you are refusing to see the other responses. sad really. not everyone is into clouds, some like them, if you don't want to try the new MtL smaller and simpler devices that use the low watts, that's your issue.

 

[Racehorse]

Funny you should mention higher nic. A lot of juices being produced in only low nic strengths.

Ever sat down and figured out how much $$ that saves a vendor per year?

I did.

 

[Racehorse]

I'm kind of wondering aloud if we all have a 'skewed' sense of how the non-vaping public sees us. Or if they even see us at all?

100% agree.

Nobody even notices I vape and it's been well over 5 years now.

It's really not "politicized" like it is on hobby forums in real life, except maybe if you live in large metro areas where there are vape stores every other corner.

I go to a lot of events both here and out of town and rarely see a lot of vapers, and ones I do are vaping on the simple stuff.