Where to start??? The basic equipment?

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We are supposed to be here to help the new vaper, not ram our personal opinions down their throat.

It is so ridiculous when an OP says I absolutely want a look alike and then people recommend the provari. How would you feel if you went into a store for an iPad and the salesman tried to convince you that you need a $2000 laptop instead

It's really Grimm Green's and Phil Busardo's opinions that I'm passing along. I just happen to wholeheartedly agree with them.

And yes, if someone wanted a ciggie-look alike, it would probably be best to withhold any suggestion of a device like the ProVari, even if the OP might well end up with one eventually.

Lastly, I don't see a direct comparison between [IPad vs. $2,000 laptop] and [$15 fixed-voltage kGo vs. $22 variable voltage "fiddly" Twist]. I just don't.
 

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I think it's probably less fiddly and less intimidating for a newbie, that's all. I'm a bit wary of them myself and I'm far from a newbie. I think I'm going to grow some guts and try the Ego Twist next month.

The Joyetech eGo-C Twist 650mah (milliamp hour) battery is like a Joyetech eGo-x 650mah battery that is one inch longer and has a dial on the bottom that adjusts the output between 3.2 and 4.8 volts. This can be learned in about 5 seconds. I do not understand what is intimidating about this feature.
 

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It's really Grimm Green's and Phil Busardo's opinions that I'm passing along. I just happen to wholeheartedly agree with them.

And yes, if someone wanted a ciggie-look alike, it would probably be best to withhold any suggestion of a device like the ProVari, even if the OP might well end up with one eventually.

Lastly, I don't see a direct comparison between [IPad vs. $2,000 laptop] and [$15 fixed-voltage kGo vs. $22 variable voltage "fiddly" Twist]. I just don't.

John, I didn't compare it to a kgo and a twist, I compared it asking for a mini and being offered a $200 provari.

Personally, I don't like or want a vv because all of the juices I like taste beter with low watts. But I have tried them. I usually recommend a lavatube as that is what I was most impressed with. I have no issues with someone recommending a ego twist over a kgo. For that matter, I don't have a problem with recommending a kgo to someone who asks about a mini.

My point was, give them your recommendation, and a brief explanation but don't say if you don't go with it (and I'm not saying you did this, I just see it a lot) they are idiots and will regret it. When someone asks where should I start, and I want simple I give two recommendations. I say if you want an mini, go with the volt, if you can handle something larger like a cigar siZe, get a kgo.

We all forget, smoking was easy. Just light and go. With vaping you have a kit more to think about. Do I have enough juice, is my battery charged, is my cool good. The last thing that SOME new people need to worry about is adding in "what voltage do i use". Personally, I think the delivery device itself (ie, carto, tank, Phoenix, vivi nova) is more important if a decision than the battery itself.
 

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Thank you for your input, but I will retain access to this site as I best see fit. And I ask you again to please drop it.

So is it too late to ask you anything more about the twist device? Or will i get another passive aggressive reply? :p


Compare the different voltages? Possibility of ruining a cart because of too low/high? Dont really know how that works. Do they come with a chart that would indicate voltage levels that will give what? I'd ask you to "sell" it based on a new vaper/hardly smoker but we might get into trouble again :p
 

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So is it too late to ask you anything more about the twist device? Or will i get another passive aggressive reply? :p


Compare the different voltages? Possibility of ruining a cart because of too low/high? Dont really know how that works. Do they come with a chart that would indicate voltage levels that will give what? I'd ask you to "sell" it based on a new vaper/hardly smoker but we might get into trouble again :p

No worries, I will still try to help you as best I can. That's why I come here. I'll work on an answer and post it when I can. There are charts out there, but you will not have to worry about burning out cartomizers/atomizers with a VV device with the output o say .... oh, I don't know .... a Joyetech eGo-C Twist, let's say. :)

Ohm's Law is what rules the vape. Volts times volts divided by resistance of the coil = watts. (I'm going to stick with a single coil for now, which is IMO the way to generally go anyway).

Watts basically = heat; how warm is the coil; how much does it warm and vaporize the juice. Maybe you'll like a range of 6 to 8 watts, depending on the juice oryour mood.

With a 3-ohm single coil, the Twist can be adjusted between:
3.2v x 3.2v / 3 = 3.4 watts. Pretty "cool" - (the temperature kind).

4.8v x 4.8v / 3 = 7.6 watts. For me, just about enough to get the job done. Plus, longer battery life than with a lower resistance coil. *

With a 2-ohm coil:

3.2 x 3.2 / 2 = 5.12 watts

4.8 x 4.8 / 2 = 11.52 watts - more than enough for all but the most extreme vaper IMO.

With a fixed-voltage 3.7V device, you would get 4.56 watts with a 3-ohm coil, and 6.85 watts with a 2-ohm coil. Period.

Of course, you can achieve other wattages with a fixed-voltage device, but only by changing attachments.

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* On amp draw:

Another part of Ohm's law states that Amps = Watts divided by the amount of Voltage required to create those amps.

7 watts at 2.0 ohms requires 3.74v to produce. 7/3.74 = 1.8 amps.
7 watts at 3.0 ohms requires 4.58v to produce. 7/4.58 = 1.5 amps.

Since batteries are rated in milliamp hours (how many amperage units can it put out in an hour of usage), it makes sense that a lower amp draw per watt created will give better battery life. To me, it has always seemed counter-intuitive that higher resistance is easier on the battery, but there it is. A battery will last 1.8/1.5 = maybe 20% longer with the higher-resistance coil. Back in one of the "walls of text" is an explanation of why I favor single coils over dual coils.

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And what you are calling "passive aggressive" I would call "getting tired of being attacked and feeling the desire to politely but firmly stand up for my rights".

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And I feel bad for the OP too, which is why I just spent 45 minutes of my life explaining Ohm's Law to him ... at no charge. And many, many hours researching, collecting, editing, and posting information that I think is valuable.

If I am allowed to say so, this thread was doing fine until I was told how much to say, what not to say, and then how to say it. I am now considering leaving this site. Satisfied?

And also please note that I do not judge, label, or attack. Maybe that got lost in all the labelling, judging, and attacking being directed at me.

"I" speech vs. "you" speech. "This is what I think". "This is what I like". "This is what I don't like". "This is why". Please compare and contrast that to "you're a bully", "you need to stop expressing your opinion", "that's ridiculous", and the like. SURELY someone "gets" this.

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Having done quite a bit in this thread to do just what the moderators rightly want us to do - help people - I hope I have earned the right to say what I just said about how I think things must be discussed in order for things to remain civil and on-topic. I do not believe that people should judge others, and I will continue to say that every time I am judged, or anyone is judged. Please just express yourself kindly and non-judgmentally, or this will go on and on and on and on. So will war, anger, hatred, and violence.

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Almost forgot - if you haven't seen this, I really think you'll get a lot out of it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol-Ol8qWPic&feature=g-all-c Grimm Green Twist Game changer

You HAVE watched it .... haven't you?
 
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Jeez. I feel bad for the OP. Poor guy was just looking for help and wound up with a crazy pissing match all over his thread. Can't we all just get along?


I'm asking the same question. I don't see how something as simple as recommending a e-cig for a new vaper leads to this mess.

Seen that Caridwen has already visited this thread. Which means that I'll be taking over now.
 

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Jeez. I feel bad for the OP. Poor guy was just looking for help and wound up with a crazy pissing match all over his thread. Can't we all just get along?

THANK YOU. Someone had to say it. Can we all just leave our preconceived notions aside and try to help the new people?
 

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