Who else vapes at 30 to 36 milligrams

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Correct, Not a doctor, and I referred em to one on occasion, and don't make medical calls or decisions.
Second, your Real doctor is telling you what works for"you", and I've seen many "doctors" make bad calls on things.
Third, I am sending no one back to smoking.I'm telling them real incidents I've run into "which is responsible". Transitions need to be smooth and not of possible danger.
When I see people having reactions to nic/pg/ allergic, it needs talked out and referred out as necessary, but the basics are basics.

Flat out.
Many cannot handle the high nicotine contents without issues.

The "basics" are that the vast majority can and do vape 24+mg strength liquid without incident. You emphasizing the small minority who "may" have an issue with higher nicotine levels scares new vapers into not getting what they need to successfully transition away from smoking. You saying that "many" cannot handle higher nicotine levels is indicative of how you do much more harm than good by completely "blowing out of proportion" what the reality truely is. And my doctor clearly stated that the level of nicotine I was using was not harmful for people in general - I was there, not you.

Exaggeration and fear mongering is what you are doing. You are using a sledge hammer to squash an ant which does much more harm than good.
 

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I vape 36mg all the time. I'm kinda surprised this discussion is still open because I made a post earlier about vaping 60mg on 5V PT w/o any complications.
The point is: there is a very small (if any) amount of the NIC in the vapor and even less (if any) gets in to the body/blood.
Just don't get the NIC in the mouth or on the skin (it burns).
 
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The point (again) wasn't 24mg.

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Tell that to those having head rushes and jitters even at 24mg that i have been in contact with.
I used to be able to take certain drugs in the amount that would knock out or kill a horse as well.
It doesn't mean it's recommended or good for the general public. You just have a very high tolerance.
 

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The point (again) wasn't 24mg.

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Tell that to those having head rushes and jitters even at 24mg that i have been in contact with.
I used to be able to take certain drugs in the amount that would knock out or kill a horse as well.
It doesn't mean it's recommended or good for the general public. You just have a very high tolerance.

You are wrong, AGAIN, as you have been throughout this thread. The point that you keep ignoring, is that for the vast majority, vaping 24 or even 36mg strength liquid is not a problem and they need that level to stay analog free. I'm sure there is a small minority that can only handle lesser levels of nicotine. You are turning the statistics upside down and simply scaring people. Read back through this thread, see where the "likes" are and see how many posts do not agree with you.

Stop trying to scare people and hurt their chances of getting off analogs.
 

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wv2win.
When you work and deal with new vapers on a daily basis as I did, get back with me.

Typical comeback for someone unwilling to face the facts that they are wrong. Working at a mall kiosk does nothing for your crediability. In fact, my guess is you are incorrectly assuming that some symptoms are from too high nicotine when in reality it could easily be from withdrawl from smoking or even not enough nicotine. In any event, your posts thourghout this thread combined with working at a mall kiosk, further diminishes your crediability.
 

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Thanks for the heads up .
I have a 510 PT on its way to me now, Do you think a standard atty will do the trick at 5 volts?

It should. My experience was that it was too much. I adjusted by keeping a long, slow draw and letting up on the button after two or three seconds. Experiment a little to find what works for you. My 5v PT is broke at the moment. Bummer. :vapor:
 

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wv2win
The point (again) wasn't 24mg.

Andyhrn
Tell that to those having head rushes and jitters even at 24mg that i have been in contact with.
I used to be able to take certain drugs in the amount that would knock out or kill a horse as well.
It doesn't mean it's recommended or good for the general public. You just have a very high tolerance.

I've had rushes and other stuff too with the "fruity" low nic level juices. This why I switched to tobacco only hight nic level clear juices.
 
If 36mg+ works for you, enjoy, but to drag others into using it, without a little heads up is irresponsible.
As I mentioned, I saw customers on a daily basis and had plenty of conversations with those having adverse effects that were cured when we cut them down from 24mg to a lesser amount.
I ADMIT WHAT I WITNESSED IN PERSON !

ALSO, responsible juice companies won't sell that hot of a mg. It isn't commonplace .
Johnson Creek (as an example) limits it to 18mg on some and 24mg on others.
So why would that be?
 
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eartpig,

Sometimes a man has just got to admit he was wrong.

Do the right thing.

But Keys, the 30-40 of us who disagreed with him must all be wrong and are just too ignorant to see the light. And the sun revolves around the earth and the world truely is flat. We are all conspiring to hide the lurking danger.
 

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ok, new to vaping and this forum, but i read through this thread and have to comment. earthpig your comments do seem to be a little scare tactics for me. when i do anything or switch to a new car or something i research research research. Just when i decided to quit smoking i researched. im talking countless hours and days and nights. I have found that the 18mg have me running for the lighter and the gas station for a pack. the 24s almost cut it but still cheat a little but figured, since the first company i was with that is the highest they went, this was just gonna be my journey sneaking a cig every now and then. then i found another company that deals with 30-36 mg. tried these and gotta tell you the 36 mg still sent me to the anolog. but i think it was the company. when i went with the 30mg from a different company i can say its been two days and no anolog. yay. i think each person needs to find what works for them. smoking is as much addiction as it is habit. if there is not enough vapor one may feel as if they are not smoking. if the flavor is not good well then i would rather smoke a real cig. if the through hit is too strong or not strong enough the habit is not there. my husband likes to see lots of vapor. psychologically he is not smoking unless he sees the vapor. Basicly to each to his or her own. i also think that what it says may not be true. for example my 36mg did not give me that rush i expect from my cig, that ahhh head feeling, after all it is an addiction. but the 30mg from a different company did. why is that. you would think that would not be true. but it is. so for some they may be that way with 48mg. so basiclly give your advice and your stories but please dont try to scare people. Do you even vape or smoke or is this all from your experience from the mall?
 
I actually vape 18 and on occasion 24, which to me is harsh.
Sweet spot is 16 to 18mg. 24 will basically (for me) get me too rushed, and I smoked Camels and then American spirits, 2 1/2 packs a day. I still smoke but far far less, and mainly because I enjoy it. I smoke 1 pack of very light tar/nic/co2 cigs, and am working it down and then out. Some quit immediately and some take a little time. I'm down by 80% of the levels I once was, and am on the way out. It's no longer an addiction issue for me, since e-cigs meet and exceed that. This is not a race. It's a process.

There are some who kick the nic level up a slight bit over their cigarette level for a period of time, (say a few months to 6 months) , and then I advise they bring it back down to where they were. **It works fabulously for them and our success rate was above that of the professed percentages in the industry and all polls on the subject**. It was due to personal interaction that can't easily be done on an internet sales site.
So NO, I'm not out to scare or chase people off e-cigs. Just the opposite. But what I won't do is just throw product out to make sales. I want to see successes and long term customers who are informed and aware of what they are vaping.

Since a high percentage of smokers are addicted, it makes you ask, why would you want to push the limits and make that addiction worse by kicking nic levels above where you were originally, unless temporary? Some have a desire to eventually wean off the nicotine and e-cigs, and cut to 0mg over time, and then out. That's an individual choice. Why make that effort harder (if they so choose).

Nicotine has many benefits in aspects of brain health /etc, but it also has a few down sides. One is it's a vascular constrictor. To push limits in that regard is unproven but most doctors will tell you that's not a positive.
What is a positive is getting off of cigs and the many issues they cause.

Always keep in mind, the whole E-cig concept is NOT "Harm Elimination", it is "Harm Reduction" and to an unknown degree, but the info I read is it's 100-1400x safer than cigs (and much depends on factors like how much and what you smoke(d) and what you vape). Fabulous positives.
Flavorings are the weak point of any e-liquid. Some even have a tendency to burn. Same with some cartomizer battings and wicks (all of this is a side issue to this conversation)
Nicotine is also the addictive agent, and you know that. Why up the levels if you know that, except for the short term purpose of getting clean of cigs? This is not the search for the ultimate "High" . This is meeting and slightly exceeding where you are and combating cigs.

I believe in informed customers who are out to get clean and not hurt themselves in the process, even if it's a temporary issue like headaches/ jitters/nausea/etc..
I ran into many who had issues with the higher levels of nic, as well as those who had flavoring allergies and a few with PG allergies. We're talking some scared and shook up people who wanted in the worst way to keep vaping instead of going back to cigs. It makes sense to get them balanced right, but I won't tell someone that ANY level of nicotine is safe. We have our tolerances as individuals, and there is a common sense limit. Many cannot handle high levels of nic, and to make a blind statement that 36mg is safe is irresponsible and very individualized. Most cant handle it, and the polls show that (19% only are going there).
 
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Earthpig, see your last long post was filled with info that others can use. Yes isee your point about getting all the info and other side of the story. Hopefully others can read that and see your not knocking it just not approving in your opinion. Hope I got u right, you have seen alot and maybe u could start a post on what uve seen. The information mightbe valuable to some. Have a good day.
 
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Overall these are safe even (for some) at high levels of nic. I have tolerances to drugs and alcohol thatwould put most under the table passed out. Is it right to push that far? Now I rarely drink and the drug days have been long gone.
We get older (I'm 57) and we realize things can catch up to us.

I'm in the business to promote/sell e-cigs, and anyone who deals with me is not going to walk away confused, and I take time to dial em in to what is effective for them. Why cut my own throat by discouraging their use, or getting them dialed in wrong to where they want to go back to cigs? It's counter productive (and not good for business either)

I'm just aware of what folks run into when getting dialed into what works for them. A smooth transition is what it's all about and not to see what your limits are before you have reactions or ill effects. That does nothing for our cause except give the industry a bad name.

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