So Earthpig, you still smoke a PAD. Perhaps you may consider kicking the nic up to 36. Maybe you'll be able to knock off the analogs.
Who else vapes at 30 to 36 milligrams
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See definition below of cigarette smoking, I am NOT still a smoker, I do NOT burn tobacco, and as long as attitudes like that are espoused by even our own community we will continue to get the negative connotations we get now. I do not even introduce my PV to those who have not seen one as an ecig, and correct those out in public when they use that term, gently, but still correct them.
As for juice strength, I vape 36mg nearly all the time, I do reduce/dilute the strength in the evening in order to improve sleep, just as I do caffiene, no caffeine after 8pm, 18-24mg vape after 8pm, makes a poor old woman sleep better. But early in the morning, I use 36mg and for most of the day, have for nearly 3 years, doctor is pleased with my overall improvement in health.
That's my opine on the subject.
Definition of cigarette smoking:
tobacco smoking is the practice where tobacco is burned and the vapors either tasted or inhaled. The practice began as early as 50003000 BC. Many civilizations burnt incense during religious rituals, which was later adopted for pleasure or as a social tool.
Earthpig, I don't want to get on your case but I cannot believe that you are warning people away from 36mg nic levels as "irresponsible".... and yet you are still SMOKING a pack a day!!! Are you insane?!
Anyone vaping @ 36mg and not smoking is in a better place than you are right now.
I seen the title and yes I vape at 36mg.....on occasion. Mostly 24- 30mg 30mg being my DIY favorite.
What I don't understand is why vape if one is smoking a pack a day ?.?.?.?.? WOW...Now that's a nic addiction..LOL
Not laughing "at"......laughing "with".
What I don't understand is why vape if one is smoking a pack a day ?.?.?.?.? WOW...Now that's a nic addiction..LOL
Not laughing "at"......laughing "with".
Well, this is the icing on the cake. You still smoke a pack a day, have a financial stake in selling PV's/eliquid, tell people not to bump up the nicotine to a level they may need to quit smoking and bash companies that sell liquid at 36mg.
You have a serious crediablity issue. The 30-40 of us on this thread who accurately challenged your poor advice, need to insure that some newbie, at least on ECF, doesn't fail at transitioning to vaping due to reading one of your posts. Still smokes a pack a day, but it's not an "addiction issue", geesh.
Point being, is I smoke because i like it, not because the level of e-cig nic mg isn't enough. It totally is.
And (if you read) i cut the co2/tar level down by 80%. This is not a race and I'll get there when ready.
It has little to do with the subject at hand, however.
And (if you read) i cut the co2/tar level down by 80%. This is not a race and I'll get there when ready.
It has little to do with the subject at hand, however.
So if you give up Scotch and only have a case of beer, you're not a drinker anymore????
I'll stick to my 24-36mg and not smoking any day.
It has everything to do with it. You smoke because you like it. How does that make you superior to those of us who don't? You aren't you know, only delusional.
And as far as your last post..to each each his own? Take your own advice. Bit hypocritical that...it's ok when it's your own, but not when it's anyone else's.
If anyone, in particular anyone new, is reading this poster's nonsense and taking it as gospel, walk away. Better still, go hunt down this thread...
Utterly moronic things people believe about PVs.
From what it sounds he is weaning himself down to where he will be off the analogs all together.Just stopping is NOT for everyone.All because someone who just quit and had no sort of side effect does not mean others won't.Others may go through some withdraw.At least earthpig is being honest about his smoking life style.I'm sure some people on here go to church every Sunday then back slide on Monday.Character is in the trying even if you fail at least you tried.Earthpig do whatever you must do to get where you need to be.
My reasoning for still smoking is due to not finding a flavor I totally enjoy after coming off of some very good brands and some high end tobaccos .
It (again) has nothing to do with nic level since I am far lower with a real cig than I am e-cigs, and the e-cigs are at 16-18mg.
Also (again) calculations put me at 80% less in tars/co2's , and also the nic level is down.
So yes, I've weaned off cigs for thr nic level totally, I don't get it from them anymore.
Next is to lock on to a flavor that works,, and put the cigs away.
Correct that better than 60% don't actually quit with e-cigs, so those on their high horse, good for you!.
I'll get there in my time, as many do, and as I've helped many do.
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None of this is relevant to the initial discussion, however.
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Lets do a rough calc.
A Marlboro Red is at ~1.2mg per cig. X 20 cigs = 24mg a pack, (and that is about the hottest nic cig on the market unless you go filterless). Now this basic math has been disputed both directions so it runs midline.
Most don't smoke that level and many smoke lights or ultra lights. which are 1/2 to 1/3rd that level.
So you want to suggest to those that smoke lights/ultra lights they should vape high mg?
Those are the ones that get physically sick doing so, just like you did the very first time you smoked a real cig...remember?
Can they build the level up? Sure !...Why??
Pig
It (again) has nothing to do with nic level since I am far lower with a real cig than I am e-cigs, and the e-cigs are at 16-18mg.
Also (again) calculations put me at 80% less in tars/co2's , and also the nic level is down.
So yes, I've weaned off cigs for thr nic level totally, I don't get it from them anymore.
Next is to lock on to a flavor that works,, and put the cigs away.
Correct that better than 60% don't actually quit with e-cigs, so those on their high horse, good for you!.
I'll get there in my time, as many do, and as I've helped many do.
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None of this is relevant to the initial discussion, however.
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Lets do a rough calc.
A Marlboro Red is at ~1.2mg per cig. X 20 cigs = 24mg a pack, (and that is about the hottest nic cig on the market unless you go filterless). Now this basic math has been disputed both directions so it runs midline.
Most don't smoke that level and many smoke lights or ultra lights. which are 1/2 to 1/3rd that level.
So you want to suggest to those that smoke lights/ultra lights they should vape high mg?
Those are the ones that get physically sick doing so, just like you did the very first time you smoked a real cig...remember?
Can they build the level up? Sure !...Why??
Pig
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Tobacco companies designed light cigarettes with tiny pinholes on the filters. These "filter vents" dilute cigarette smoke with air when light cigarettes are "puffed" on by smoking machines, causing the machines to measure artificially low tar and nicotine levels.
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Because people, unlike machines, crave nicotine, they may inhale more deeply; take larger, more rapid, or more frequent puffs; or smoke a few extra cigarettes each day to get enough nicotine to satisfy their craving. This is called "compensating," and it means that smokers end up inhaling more tar, nicotine, and other harmful chemicals than the machine-based numbers suggest.
Cigarette makers can also make the paper wrapped around the tobacco of light cigarettes burn faster so that the smoking machines get in few puffs before the cigarettes burn down. The result is that the machine measures less tar and nicotine in the smoke of the cigarette.
Many smokers do not know that their cigarette filters have vent holes. The filter vents are uncovered when cigarettes are smoked on smoking machines. However, without realizing it and because they cannot avoid it, many smokers block the tiny vent holes with their fingers or lips - which basically turns the light cigarette into a regular cigarette.
Because people, unlike machines, crave nicotine, they may inhale more deeply; take larger, more rapid, or more frequent puffs; or smoke a few extra cigarettes each day to get enough nicotine to satisfy their craving. This is called "compensating," and it means that smokers end up inhaling more tar, nicotine, and other harmful chemicals than the machine-based numbers suggest.
Cigarette makers can also make the paper wrapped around the tobacco of light cigarettes burn faster so that the smoking machines get in few puffs before the cigarettes burn down. The result is that the machine measures less tar and nicotine in the smoke of the cigarette.
Add me to the 36mg vape wagon. 
When I started vaping in July 2009, I was a 15-16 cig a day smoker of Newport Lights and had been for 20+ years. The cartridges that came with my mall kiosk 901 were labeled as low, med and high. When I purchased my first juices, I bought 18mg and 24mg and continued to smoke. About 3 weeks in, I purchased some 36mg from beci in china (bestecig) and smoked my last cig on August 16, 2009. I have consistently used 36mg since that time, probably 80% of the time, with some 24mg or 18mg the rest of the time. 36mg is what finally curbed my cravings such that I could put the cigs away once and for all and I only smoked light cigarettes.
Is the high mg nic for everyone....no. Is there a significant number of vapers who need the higher strength nic to keep them off the cigs....most definitely. I also use snus and stonewalls to satisfy my cravings when it is inconvenient to vape. And I have no intentions of weaning myself down or off of nicotine altogether. Nicotine improves my mood and keeps me in the happy state that I reside in the majority of the time.
Basically, no one needs me or any other internet poster to tell them what is the right strength for them. Vaping is an individual sport and what works for me may not work for you and vice versa. Your body will tell you what is too strong, what is too weak and what is just right and then you adjust accordingly. I have seen folks who used to smoke 2 packs a day of Marlboro Reds that can't handle 18mg but me who smoked less than a pack a day of light cigs and primarily vape 36mg. There is no rhyme or reason to it or any magic formula. Everyone is different and only you can determine what works best for you.
That's just my 10 cents. Send any change to my pp account.
When I started vaping in July 2009, I was a 15-16 cig a day smoker of Newport Lights and had been for 20+ years. The cartridges that came with my mall kiosk 901 were labeled as low, med and high. When I purchased my first juices, I bought 18mg and 24mg and continued to smoke. About 3 weeks in, I purchased some 36mg from beci in china (bestecig) and smoked my last cig on August 16, 2009. I have consistently used 36mg since that time, probably 80% of the time, with some 24mg or 18mg the rest of the time. 36mg is what finally curbed my cravings such that I could put the cigs away once and for all and I only smoked light cigarettes.
Is the high mg nic for everyone....no. Is there a significant number of vapers who need the higher strength nic to keep them off the cigs....most definitely. I also use snus and stonewalls to satisfy my cravings when it is inconvenient to vape. And I have no intentions of weaning myself down or off of nicotine altogether. Nicotine improves my mood and keeps me in the happy state that I reside in the majority of the time.
Basically, no one needs me or any other internet poster to tell them what is the right strength for them. Vaping is an individual sport and what works for me may not work for you and vice versa. Your body will tell you what is too strong, what is too weak and what is just right and then you adjust accordingly. I have seen folks who used to smoke 2 packs a day of Marlboro Reds that can't handle 18mg but me who smoked less than a pack a day of light cigs and primarily vape 36mg. There is no rhyme or reason to it or any magic formula. Everyone is different and only you can determine what works best for you.
That's just my 10 cents. Send any change to my pp account.
It's a little more than that. He's telling people on here that their nicotine level is dangerous and not to vape certain levels because it's dangerous even when the person isn't satisfied with their nicotine level. And he knows this because he sells them and he has experience with them. Giving his opinion a little more weight than the average poster. Then he happens to mention in passing that he's still smoking a pack a day. Don't you think that might enter into the equasion a little bit?
BTW, I'm not criticizing earthpig for smoking analogs. I don't criticize anyone for smoking- I figure I might be a battery charge away from smoking myself, although I hope not.
Everyone vapes for different reasons. I never started vaping to quit smoking, or didn't think I could. If you cut down 10 less analogs a day that's a success in my book.
I would hate to see him sabotage someone's chance of quitting smoking-- and he does seem to have good intentions, but to tell people that 24 mg. nicotine or higher is dangerous when it's not, when a person may need that level or higher to quit is a little unfair to do to a person. Every problem a person has with vaping does not mean it's because of nicotine level. It probably is too much for him because he's getting additional nicotine with analogs.
Everyone vapes for different reasons. I never started vaping to quit smoking, or didn't think I could. If you cut down 10 less analogs a day that's a success in my book.
I would hate to see him sabotage someone's chance of quitting smoking-- and he does seem to have good intentions, but to tell people that 24 mg. nicotine or higher is dangerous when it's not, when a person may need that level or higher to quit is a little unfair to do to a person. Every problem a person has with vaping does not mean it's because of nicotine level. It probably is too much for him because he's getting additional nicotine with analogs.
I wasn't looking to quit smoking, either. I just wanted something I could use in my house so I wouldn't have to freeze my tush off in the winter. Add me to this list of "accidental quitters." Once that happened, I wanted to stay quit!
I started out with 18mg and found that wasn't enough, so I bumped to 24mg for a while, then switched between the two. Had I not bumped my nic level up for a while, I honestly feel that I would've started smoking again in addition to vaping. I'm not saying that smoking and vaping makes a person weak or bad, but like everyone else has said, it's might be a good indication that they aren't getting as much nicotine as they need if they want to quit smoking.
Now if you'll excuse me, reading this thread has made me a to vape 24mg again! Off to mix up a batch!
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