Who honestly prefers the vape from an un-kicked mech?

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I've been mostly lurking here for the last couple of days and have read so much that my eyes started to hurt before I went to bed last night. I don't claim to have read everything that I probably should have (there is a LOT of information here!) but I've put some effort towards educating myself on this topic regardless.

I re-wrote that title a few times before I gave up and I *know* it would be easy to read it the wrong way... So let me say that I am NOT questioning whether or not people actually DO prefer the most basic of mech but rather I am curious about *how many* do and some of the reasons why? I could have titled this post "Do I really want a mech?", etc. but thought maybe that title would bring forth more of YOUR reasons why.

About me: I'm a tinkerer and I like the K.I.S.S. school of thinking (Keep It Simple, Stupid). I have spinners and I love my Vamo but I also have a lifestyle that makes running to the local B&M for a spare part, etc. difficult. Decades of working with computers has also taught me that circuit boards, like any micro electronics, eventually DO fail... even under the best of care. I like the idea that a mech is something I could take camping with me for a few days and if it stopped working for whatever reason there would be a good chance I could at least MacGyver it back into a functional device, sitting around a campfire and working with a pocket knife and a stick, if I really needed to.

Likewise I enjoy playing with wicks and coils. I buy wire in 100ft spools and have some ranging from 28 up to 34. I have many meters of 1,2 and 3mm silica and a couple of sheets of 400 & 500 SS mesh. I own an AGA-T2, a handful of various phoenix clones and a couple of smok RDAs. I'm already trying to figure out where I will store an AGI, RSST and a couple of IGO-Ls once the right deal falls into place. I recoil *everything* myself, even vivi novas and silly little stardust CE5s and clones. I LOVE my drippers.

Then I come here and I read posts by mech users that even say their expensive VV devices are collecting dust, because they like their mech mods so much better. OK, I'm a compulsive collector as well and I figure that has to fall into the equation somewhere, but is that the whole story? I read posts and watch videos of super low resistance dual coils that look like an industrial strength fog machine that fits in your pocket... OK, cool video and all but does anyone really prefer a vape like that? I read other posts by folks saying that their mech and low ohm coil is the true path to vaping enlightenment... and then I read a post by one of the same guys saying how much he loves his mech... with a *kick* in it... which makes me look fondly at the Vamo in my hand and wonder if I didn't make the right choice in the first place?

Certainly I'd like to explore lower resistance than what my vamo can handle (1.2?), especially if it's a real day-and-night kind of experience. I'd love to wrap something really fat with 28 gauge, maybe just under 1 ohm, and see if it's sponge like qualities might give me the ultimate vaping experience that I've had to date? Is it THAT good, or just some sort of fetish?

From what I understand of mechanicals isn't popping a 1.5 ohm dripper on my Vamo and running it at around 3.7-4.0 volts the same thing as popping it on a mechanical? Is there something lurking below the surface of 1.2-1.4 ohms that I'm missing? If I buy one will I eventually long for the extra features of a kick or the like and just end up going back to my Vamo (or similar) instead?

One last question, for those of you who stuck with me the whole way... I've read *many* different opinions on batteries and am still trying to get my mind wrapped around one thing... If I pickup a fuse or say something like the "shortstop", does that in effect offer the same protection as a "protected" battery? As a vamo user I have a ton of panasonic CGR's, that have no electronic "protection". Do I need to really budget in a slew of protected batteries too or is a fuse/shortstop enough?

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I don't use electronics in any of my mechanical mods...kinda defeats the purpose. I have several VV and VW devices, that isn't what I bought my mechanicals for. I do use protected batteries but not really to protect myself but because most will not discharge below a set voltage. This means the battery will have a longer life as far as number of charge cycles go.
 

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I started out using mesh rbas with my provari's and can get an awesome vape. But I wanted to try the sub 1 ohm coils with a mech. So I picked out a nice mech mod and have been playing with it. A bit of history... I used the inexpensive box mods for a long time.. I hated that the voltage dropped as the batt discharged. When I got my first provari, I was in regulated voltage heaven. I would see people loving their mech devices and couldn't understand why they would want something that didn't hold a steady voltage. I can't believe I bought one. I enjoy it.. I enjoy the voltage ride. I find myself being able to concentrate on the actual vape quality instead of numbers.

With that being said, my provari's aren't going anywhere. I use them right along side the mech and vice versa. I love the vape I get from both types of devices. There are pros and cons to each. With my Provari's, I set up the genny with 30g and aim for a little over 1ohm. With the Electric angel, I set up with 28g and aim for a little under 1 ohm. I enjoy the vape I get from each setup with each device and use them both equally (more or less)

If I had to pick one, I think I prefer the regulated vape vs the mech.. but I don't have to pick and I'm glad. I have another mech on order.
 

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I find myself being able to concentrate on the actual vape quality instead of numbers.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply donnah! I can certainly understand that feeling. I am *constantly* comparing my vape to the setting on my Vamo and I habitually check the resistance, especially my more finicky SS, with just about every push of the button...

And what's your spin on the battery story? Same bats in both Provari and mechs? Protected or not protected, that is the question? (Sorry Shakespeare!) Fuse, shortstop, or just careful about how hot it feels (yeah, I've read some mech users do this.)
 
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply donnah! I can certainly understand that feeling. I am *constantly* comparing my vape to the setting on my Vamo and I habitually check the resistance, especially my more finicky SS, with just about every push of the button...

And what's your spin on the battery story? Same bats in both Provari and mechs? Protected or not protected, that is the question? (Sorry Shakespeare!) Fuse, shortstop, or just careful about how hot it feels (yeah, I've read some mech users do this.)

I use aw imr (non protected) batts in all my devices, both the Provari and the EA. I do have a shortstop but don't use it.

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Vapor Joe has some links to some really good deals on the segelei mech mods. They're cheap enough to buy and try one out.

Yeah! I'm a fan of Joe both on his blog and his facebook group. I've been looking at the segelei's but others as well. The K100 seems popular but I'm skeptical about the bottom fire buttons (my batts, etc. stand upright in leaded glass candle holders on my desk). I love the looks of the CCTS and it has the pinky button too, which I think I would prefer. Then there is the Smok Natural (flat top) to consider... Sounds like I can get the CCTS at the bottom of the price scale so I might try one of them first. I have friends and family that I can pass on stuff to to help recoup some of my cost if I decide to upgrade later.
 

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The buttons on bottom fired mechanicals generally lock, including the k100. The spring in the K100 is actually stiff enough though that it won't accidentally fire just from standing up even with an Odysseus on top. I have a few mechs (including the K100) but I still prefer the vape from my VV devices at 1.5 to 1.8 ohms. I tried sub ohm coils a few times with 28g and they just weren't my thing.
 

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Any more insights, stories, advice, etc. are still greatly appreciated!

I know you said you read a ton... but uh, best advice is to read more.

and then experiment... you learn just as much from doing as you do from reading... but the reading is important, because if you're lucky, you can learn from others mistakes.

I've always been a dripping fan... but dripping on a SLR rebuildable is just a totally different world.

More Juice capacity - mine holds a good 20 drops at the ready...

More vapor - like, it's pretty well impossible for me to stealth vape. LOL

More flavor - dear god, I have no idea how I thought juice had flavor before!
 
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Yeah! I'm a fan of Joe both on his blog and his facebook group. I've been looking at the segelei's but others as well. The K100 seems popular but I'm skeptical about the bottom fire buttons (my batts, etc. stand upright in leaded glass candle holders on my desk). I love the looks of the CCTS and it has the pinky button too, which I think I would prefer. Then there is the Smok Natural (flat top) to consider... Sounds like I can get the CCTS at the bottom of the price scale so I might try one of them first. I have friends and family that I can pass on stuff to to help recoup some of my cost if I decide to upgrade later.


I was super skeptical of bottom buttons... until i tried it... took me about a day to realize, if I wanted, I could fire it almost like a side button:

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I only fire it like that about half the time... but it works for sure... and it's pretty damn comfortable...
 
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I know you said you read a ton... but uh, best advice is to read more.

and then experiment... you learn just as much from doing as you do from reading... but the reading is important, because if you're lucky, you can learn from others mistakes.

I've always been a dripping fan... but dripping on a SLR rebuildable is just a totally different world.

More Juice capacity - mine hold a good 20 drops at the ready...

More vapor - like, it's pretty well impossible for me to stealth vape. LOL

More flavor - dear god, I have no idea how I thought juice had flavor before!

LOL! I love drippers too. Best flavor by far, even over my AGA... But seriously, when you say SLR how low are you really talking about? On an IGO-L? I can fire 1.3-1.5 doubled up silica on my Vamo and love it... which is why I'm very interested to see what sub-ohm is all about... is it just massive clouds of vapor, like an occasional party trick, or is the flavor really that big a step up?

I see others are posting LR silica, even on a VV, so I'm covered there.

I like to read (and write) and will continue to do both, I'm sure, but hey there are only so many hours in a day and time is only "free" if your time is worth *nothing*. Enough meandering... I think I will definitely pick up a cheap mech to start with, probably going to order today (the "new shiny stuff bug" has been biting me a lot lately).

I don't think I will ever use a kick since I still don't see the point when I can buy a VV/VW device complete for less than what one of those cost.

I appreciate all the words of wisdom and personal preferences. PLEASE keep them coming!

(No one else on the battery thing yet?)
 

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LOL! I love drippers too. Best flavor by far, even over my AGA... But seriously, when you say SLR how low are you really talking about? On an IGO-L? I can fire 1.3-1.5 doubled up silica on my Vamo and love it... which is why I'm very interested to see what sub-ohm is all about... is it just massive clouds of vapor, like an occasional party trick, or is the flavor really that big a step up?

I'm currently using a Doubled Silica, single coil, 28AWG Kanthal A1 at .08 on my IGO-L.

The key is really the air hole... gotta bore that thing out a bit and get the coil placed right in front of it to get the big vapor.

It's my daily vape... not just a party trick. Truth is, I can take "socially acceptable" draws... but when i want to, I can do the party trick thing LOL

I've seen(and "test vaped") a Dual Coil purported to be at 0.3 ohms on an Igo-L, with dual 1/16th Inch airholes... It was an epic Vape...

But I'm not brave enough to do it with mine.... not yet ;)
 
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I think I'll be shopping for a couple of cheap IGO-Ls today too ;) It looks like it's got the bigger "platform" to work with, for those fatty wicks.

You might want to check out the Nimbus as well.

It's out of my current budget (it's $65.00), It's a similar design to the IGO-L, but it has dual Negative posts... making Dual and Quad coil setups super easy to built.
 

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Possible heretical view, but I've been using a mech mod constantly for the past fortnight and I just can't get past the natural voltage drop issue. Incredible vape for an incredibly short amount of time (~2hours w/18650), then it drops to "OK... I suppose..." levels of serviceable for another few hours until it gets kind of dulled, then I have to recharge the battery.

With my twin 18650 box mod I'm consistently putting out 18-20watts with a dual coil (my preference - I know some like it hotter and more moist, even with a single coil, but not me), the vape is always the same/ideal and the battery lasts for two-three days before a recharge.
 
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