Who is behind the "95% Safer"..?

[stols001]

That is the nail on the head.

Self-centered "If you aren't doing it like me, you are doing it wrong."

Also, @dripster , may I point out I have NEVER once told you a) how to vape or b) how to tell others to vape, even. Although I think your methods are ill advised for a new vaper it is not until this very moment I have said so. And, I STILL think it is TOTALLY fine for you to declare your methods, how they worked for YOU and even how they might work for OTHERS including new vapers.

I'm not a fan, generally, but I will defend to the death your right to FREE SPEECH.

What bugs me about you is that you seem to want to shut down EVERY other form of free speech about vaping.

Do you believe in free speech? You write these insane posts and they're all about how EVERYONE but you is wrong.

It's not a good look, frankly. BE yourself by all means, but this odd "every vape but mine" technique is like super weird. The ONLY person on this thread who cares about the type of classification you think is happening... IS you.

Anna

 

[Jebbn]

Vaping is also 95% cheaper than smoking tobacco.

By "95% cheaper" I mean, theoretically its 95% cheaper. In practice, wholly carp Batman!

 

[Rossum]

Vaping is also 95% cheaper than smoking tobacco.
By "95% cheaper" I mean, theoretically its 95% cheaper. In practice, wholly carp Batman!

In practice, once you get settled in with gear that you're entirely happy with(*) and if you DIY you liquid, it might be more than 95% cheaper, and that's at middle-of-the road US cig prices, not the completely outrageous cigarette prices in Oz. My DIY supplies cost less than $100 a year. I used to spend $100 a week on my 2 PAD habit. I haven't bought any gear in over a year.

(*) If one suffers from an affliction known as Shinyitits then all bets on saving money are off.

 

[Jebbn]

In practice, once you get settled in with gear that you're entirely happy with(*) and if you DIY you liquid, it might be more than 95% cheaper, and that's at middle-of-the road US cig prices, not the completely outrageous cigarette prices in Oz. My DIY supplies cost less than $100 a year. I used to spend $100 a week on my 2 PAD habit. I haven't bought any gear in over a year.

(*) If one suffers from an affliction known as Shinyitits then all bets on saving money are off.

I was just trying to bring back the 95% theme of the thread in a light hearted way.
Theoretically I only have to buy nic vg, dw and batteries from here on in and theres a 1.25l of 100mg in the freezer.

 

[dripster]

Self-centered "If you aren't doing it like me, you are doing it wrong."

I never said that. The fact you are claiming that's what I meant is what's self-centered.

 

[stols001]

I am not alone, dear.

You know, I was taught a valuable lesson in my life. If EVERY other person I talked to said the sky was blue, and I was claiming it was purple, it could be to my benefit to EXAMINE my PERSPECTIVE.

And no, it doesn't make you a super special snowflake to have that "purple perception" it just makes you wrong.

And nope, you difd not say those exact words of course not. If I were to REPEAT your exact words, I'd be here until tomorrow and that's a post too long even for me.

Deal with it. Deal with MY perspective and the perspective of MANY folks who are responding to what you write. Don't get defensive, just let a LITTLE information trickle in and see what happens.

Again I defend your right to vape how you want and talk about it. That's not the issue. it's how you interact with everyone ELSE's perspective.

Anna

 

[dripster]

I am not alone, dear.

You know, I was taught a valuable lesson in my life. If EVERY other person I talked to said the sky was blue, and I was claiming it was purple, it could be to my benefit to EXAMINE my PERSPECTIVE.

And no, it doesn't make you a super special snowflake to have that "purple perception" it just makes you wrong.

And nope, you difd not say those exact words of course not. If I were to REPEAT your exact words, I'd be here until tomorrow and that's a post too long even for me.

Deal with it. Deal with MY perspective and the perspective of MANY folks who are responding to what you write. Don't get defensive, just let a LITTLE information trickle in and see what happens.

Again I defend your right to vape how you want and talk about it. That's not the issue. it's how you interact with everyone ELSE's perspective.

Anna

Of course you're not alone. (At being self-centered, that is.)

 

[zoiDman]

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And no, it doesn't make you a super special snowflake to have that "purple perception" it just makes you wrong.

...

Because 1 just Wasn't Enough.

 

[stols001]

Yes I too was once that special purple snowflake. The people around me found me to be a PITA.

Then, I changed. You too have the opportunity to see the sky as BLUE and oh goodness, sometimes a rainbow happens and like, you are briefly even RIGHT for a moment.

But not usually.

We are all born self-centered, and then we live. Some of us die self-centered.

Quite frankly, I'm super glad we are just now having a dialogue about ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOW YOU VAPE AND HOW THAT IS THE WAY OF ALL WAYS.

Let's continue dialoguing. I'm game.

Could you perhaps list some reasons why EVERYONE might not want to vape how you vape? EVEN ONE?

Quick, clouds are on the horizon, the color could change at any moment but right now BLUE.

Why would a newcomer perhaps feel MTL might be a good option for them over a mech?

I know you can do it I AM ROOTING FOR You really!

Anna

 

[Skeebo]

We should get this thread back on topic. What was it again? Was it unicorns?

 

[jandrew]

We should get this thread back on topic. What was it again? Was it unicorns?

I thought it was about staying the heck away from Anna's belly. Well, that was my take away at any rate.

 

[dripster]

Yes I too was once that special purple snowflake. The people around me found me to be a PITA.

Then, I changed. You too have the opportunity to see the sky as BLUE and oh goodness, sometimes a rainbow happens and like, you are briefly even RIGHT for a moment.

But not usually.

We are all born self-centered, and then we live. Some of us die self-centered.

Quite frankly, I'm super glad we are just now having a dialogue about ANYTHING OTHER THAN HOW YOU VAPE AND HOW THAT IS THE WAY OF ALL WAYS.

Let's continue dialoguing. I'm game.

Could you perhaps list some reasons why EVERYONE might not want to vape how you vape? EVEN ONE?

Quick, clouds are on the horizon, the color could change at any moment but right now BLUE.

Why would a newcomer perhaps feel MTL might be a good option for them over a mech?

I know you can do it I AM ROOTING FOR You really!

Anna

I'll just repeat that you're not alone at making it look like I said certain things, when the reality is I said nothing of the sort. You can now 95% safely stop trolling me.

 

[dripster]

We should get this thread back on topic. What was it again? Was it unicorns?

I believe it was about anecdotal evidence in support of the theory that MTL in cohort with TC is what causes formaldehyde.

 

[ScottP]

 

[Eskie]

I believe it was about anecdotal evidence in support of the theory that MTL in cohort with TC is what causes formaldehyde.

Ah no. It certainly wasn't about that statement. Never heard that using mtl setups in TC causes formaldehyde. Which might be sorta where the problem lies with lots of folks responding to you as you don't seem willing to put in a little time and an effort at reading comprehension or you would know what the topic of this thread was all about.

I say we get back to the positives and negatives of having a meaningful and fulfilling relationship with a Unicorn again. At least tgen there are facts we can discuss that might not be misconstrued.

 

[Layzee Vaper]

So far there have not been enough studies done to give a definitive %.

There are thousands of different combinations of juice, coil type, airflow, wick material, puff duration, power level, overall consumption etc etc. Some combinations are going to be higher risk than others.

It's going to be decades before we even come close to being able to recommend one form of vaping over another. Apart from anything else many of us have smoked for years before making the switch to vaping.

But I think a growing number of health care professionals (in the UK at least) are recognising that for most people, however they choose to vape, it's considerably lower risk than smoking.

The Royal Collage of Surgeons and Public Health England have made an educated guess based on the limited information they had available.

For me it's difficult to see any reason why they would publish the reports that they have, other than they feel it is in the public interest to do so.

Pretty much everyone else, the tobacco companies, governments, pharmacy companies all have plenty to gain by jumping on every negative point that they can find or indeed engineer.

The vape companies must have done some of there own testing, I suspect they are aware that there are at least some risks involved.

All you can do really is try and make sense of the information as it comes to light. Try and work out who is behind the study and what stake they have in the game, then react as you feel is appropriate.

As for people new to vaping, most will have to try a few different set ups to work out what works for them. If they are not prepared for some trial and error and give in quickly then they are probably not really ready to make the switch.

 

[ScottP]

So far there have not been enough studies done to give a definitive %.

While I agree with this statement, it can also be said that there have been 0 studies of all that have been done that contradict the 95% claim. Even the studies where they overheated the juice far beyond what anyone would/could vape are still in the 90% safer range. Yet this fact is constantly withheld from the commentary on these reports.

 

[zoiDman]

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Could you perhaps list some reasons why EVERYONE might not want to vape how you vape? EVEN ONE?

Quick, clouds are on the horizon, the color could change at any moment but right now BLUE.

Why would a newcomer perhaps feel MTL might be a good option for them over a mech?

I know you can do it I AM ROOTING FOR You really!

Anna

Hey at least You Tried to make someone See the Light. Right?

Because I think that about 95% of us just gave up a Long Time Ago.

 

[dripster]

Ah no. It certainly wasn't about that statement. Never heard that using mtl setups in TC causes formaldehyde. Which might be sorta where the problem lies with lots of folks responding to you as you don't seem willing to put in a little time and an effort at reading comprehension or you would know what the topic of this thread was all about.

I say we get back to the positives and negatives of having a meaningful and fulfilling relationship with a Unicorn again. At least tgen there are facts we can discuss that might not be misconstrued.

I never heard that using MTL setups in TC causes formaldehyde until someone posted a colorful graph that was suggesting it. No reading comprehension required, you can just go look at the colors instead.

 

[Eskie]

I never heard that using MTL setups in TC causes formaldehyde until someone posted a colorful graph that was suggesting it. No reading comprehension required, you can just go look at the colors instead.

I suggest you go look at that colorful chart again instead. Nowhere does it state or imply that. Which I think is the problem. Perhaps you should consider it is possible that you're seeing something no one else does isn't because you know more, but perhaps because you were wrong and misinterpreted the information, chart, comment, or funny look incorrectly.