Now that we have reached a consensus on who is behind the "95% safer", let's start a new topic about who is before it.
See my post #35 on page two.
Now that we have reached a consensus on who is behind the "95% safer", let's start a new topic about who is before it.
How about a free trollcave?Do you mean Oprah?
Still at the end of this thread, I sort of feel like we all deserve a free car, type of thing. Mod of our choice. You know, etc LOL.
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I already did see it at the time when you wrote it. I actually even wrote a reply to you about it, see my post #36 directly below it.See my post #35 on page two.
I already did see it at the time when you wrote it. I actually even wrote a reply to you about it, see my post #36 directly below it.
I dunno about you?
But whenever I go to Wally World, I have to go down the Cereal "Isle". Just In Case.
LOL
The thing is putting a "safety percentage value" on vaping vs smoking doesnt make sense at all if you think even a little about it. Its basicly just saying "vaping is ALOT safer then smoking" in a way for average Joe to understand.
95% of WHAT? Deaths? Cancer patients? All illnesses combined? Numeric values of dangerous chemicals present in smoke vs vapor? If so; which ones of the ~3000 present in cigarette smoke are we talking about?
The thing is putting a "safety percentage value" on vaping vs smoking doesnt make sense at all if you think even a little about it. Its basicly just saying "vaping is ALOT safer then smoking" in a way for average Joe to understand.
95% of WHAT? Deaths? Cancer patients? All illnesses combined? Numeric values of dangerous chemicals present in smoke vs vapor? If so; which ones of the ~3000 present in cigarette smoke are we talking about?
To summarize what this study is saying – at 3.3v of a standard variable voltage tank system e-cig, no formaldehyde was found. However, at 5.0v of the same system, formaldehyde-releasing agents were found at over 10 times the amount found in traditional cigarettes. Now, on first inspection, this sounds really bad for vaping. Yet, there are additional factors that need to be considered when looking at this study.
Meaning that in order to achieve the voltage necessary to reach the levels of formaldehyde discovered in this study, you would have to overheat your atomizer, burn your coils and then vape that repeatedly to be exposed.
Formaldehyde is the one I would worry most about, but that generally isn't an issue until you start pushing the envelope on power, according to those who've tested the vapor. It's why I stay around 3.5v to 4v. Of course it's HEAT that creates Formaldehyde in the vapor. Lowering the coil resistance is akin to raising the voltage at the coil in terms of heat since Power = Voltage ^2 / Resistance.
If you read the article at the link it states that the power levels necessary to create Formaldehyde were high enough to make the vapor hot and burned, so most people would turn down the power at that point and return to a safer range. High air flow atomizers used in DTL mode might have air flow at a high enough level to cool the vape below the levels needed to create a formaldehyde issue.
The Truth Behind the Formaldehyde Scare - Mt Baker Vapor
Not gonna quote the whole thing, it's right there, one message up.A couple of points on Mike's testing back then.
Not gonna quite the whole thing, it's right there, one message up.
One important note: Even at temperatures where the onset of "burnt taste" was noticeable (at a bit over 500F), formaldehyde levels were still only a small fraction of those generally reported to be present in cigarette smoke.
So yes, there's an inflection point in the mid 400F range. Exactly where it is depends on the PG /VH / H2O mix. But no matter how you slice it, if the vape tastes OK, we're getting substantially less formaldehyde than we would from smoke, while getting practically none of the other nasty stuff (tar, carbon monoxide, etc). This further validates Dr. Farsalinos' earlier work, which indicated that to get the really high levels that were reported in the media, you have to get the coil hot enough to produce something resembling a dry puff.
Oh, the other big variable were tgePG/VG ratios. The higher the VG the lower the breakdown temps. Even thinning with a little distilled water helps. For whatever reason Mike's results seemed to show 50/50 as worse than 70/30 (or 80/20 don't recall). Wangs results were more linear with lower PG consistently lowering the inflection point so high VG juices did produce more VOCs at the same temps than lower VG liquids.
Absolutely true. It does remain lower than a cigarette until higher temperatures. But TBH, it isn't such a good thing to breathe in to begin with. If we can vape in ways still satisfying but safer, it's a reasonable strategy. But everyone has to make that decision for themselves.