Whole Tobacco Alkaloid (WTA) now available at Aroma Ejuice
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Is the "hit" (i.e. throat hit and light headedness) with this stuff dependent on the nicotine or would it be possible to have them with zero nicotine. Apologies if this has already been covered and I didn't notice.
Hey Dream, glad you made it over here too, this stuff sounds great to me.
throat hit varies from person, device, make up of medium (pg or vg) and nic content. Add some other variables and maybe one can make those claims. Can you have a throat hit with zero nic I could not answer that. I think that might be a question you might want to pose in the general forum. I can't make an assumption on throat hit, but I think there are others that might be able to offer insight. Give a post over there and see what pops up. I don't want to make any claims about throat hit.
F-82.....Is that going to be the name for that particular juice ? From the reviews of betas.....F-82 is on my list to get.
That was a test roll out. Will future WTA be called F-82 I highly doubt that. I had other roll outs (beta tests) before and the juices were given numbers like P-51, P-38, etc. This introduction will be very limited and it will only be a select few that are able to purchase. After that the others will need to wait till production and testing is complete. Small scale for a few people is easy to meet the demands. When you get a few hundred emails and PM's its evident that it will be hard to meet the demands. Plus I want to reduce costs and increase production yields. Also this is not the holy grail or the perfect vape. Its a alternative to help others who struggle with nicotine and tobacco. Is it right for you...I don't know.
What I can say is that you won't see a unicorn or feel like you ate some $100 pancake. This needs to be clear with others.
A FAQ will be posted today to answer similar questions.
Fair enough radiokas. The subjects been done to death with no satisfactory answer on the general forum. When I first tried vaping I started a thread asking why vaping didn't give you that dizzy / light headed feeling you get from cigarettes when you hadn't had one for a while. Many thought it was because that came from something other than nicotine. I suppose what I was really asking was could the properties of this juice that give that feeling be isolated from the nicotine. As regards throat hit, I once tried a packet of Quest (made from genetically modified tobacco that contained only trace elements of nicotine) and the throat hit was identical to normal cigarettes so there's obviously something other than nicotine that will give a throat hit. Whether that something's safe or not is another question.
You are really rude-He is not forcing you to buy his product- You have a free will- Decide for yourself and leave and let others decide on their own whether they want to buy or not. I am usually a very calm person who does'nt get hyped by external vibes, but really, just leave be and the thread as well. I rest my case.Yes the cost for WTA is high. There are several factors to be considered which drive up the costs.
First we are doing only a small scale production of WTA. Some of the costs involved are material costs, lab fees, GC testing fees, handling and shipping fees of these materials. Also, since I'm not a chemist or current with Hazwoper certification we need someone who is. Add a few chemists even on a consulting scale and that brings up the production costs even more. We are looking at our production scale and hopefully in the future we should be able to save on materials, labor, and other resources and pass the savings onto to the vapers.
That's pure BS
The cost of Nicotine extraction is very cheap and even the labs that are doing it here in the states for other vendors have now come way down. Materials, the lab cost, the MSDS sheet, chemist,shipping, is all a part of the cost Radiokaos but your answer doesn't justify the 12 X the cost for the ingredients your adding, and it doesn't justify the cost to me of $3 per ML more expensive than a high quality 100mg Nic juice with your answer, that's for sure, this isn't liquid Gold, that's up to $1800 per ounce now I think, I haven't looked at my portfolio yet today.
Believe me I can afford to buy whatever I want to buy, and I never questioned anything about you selling Chinese liquids or the profit margins you can make selling them, anyone can do that, as well as overcharge for a product that has an extra ingredient or three in it and call it a new product and market it at 12 X retail cost, that's an old one but good one as for marketing goes. Thanks for your answer it's told me all I need to know and good luck on your sales at $3 per ML.
Videvinci,
That poster is known for stirring up issues in other forums and sub forums. He had the opportunity to speak his mind and did so. Sometimes people need to be the focal point regardless of outcome. Its usually best to ignore then to feed into their ego.
Ted those are good deductions, but no one is really qualified to say. This is not an exact science. This industry as a whole is in its infancy stage. There is so much growth ahead of us. I can make assumptions but if they are wrong then I would be misleading you and others. Research is key which I see you have explored via other posts. Throat hit may be affected by other properties besides nicotine and the medium its in. I wish I could give you an absolute and definitive answer.
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There are many factors that can effect throat hit. I can greatly vary the TH of my regular juice simply by changing the heat at the coil. "pepper" in the juice would do it as well, etc., etc.
My experience with throat hit was this... I actually prefer to call it throat kick because again it doesn't emulate the sensation of smoking, it's an alternative. With most juices that have strong throat kick it hits sharp, fairly singular and I can sometimes detect the pepper (probably capsicum). With WTA it wasn't as sharp, meaning it seemed to hit a multiple number of points in my throat, more like a shotgun than a rifle shot or two. I also experienced it in a slightly different part of the throat and was definitely more reminiscent of smoking. I can't comment on strength differences at this stage.
You realize that when we smoked we didn't pay much attention to throat hit, didn't marvel at how much smoke we produced and frankly the issue of taste was largely limited to our expression of which brand we preferred. That I think indicates how much we're looking to replicate the experience not just have an alternative.
I've never been hugely interested in throat hit, and while it was enjoyable with WTA, it was the physioligical initial "rush" and the feeling of satiation that I enjoyed. I'm sure as with most things, not everybody will react in the same way with it, I experienced one vaper who take three hits and announced it was definitely not for him. He vapes 6mg and part of his comments was too strong for his throat. YMMD should be the slogan (your mileage may differ).
You realize that when we smoked we didn't pay much attention to throat hit, didn't marvel at how much smoke we produced and frankly the issue of taste was largely limited to our expression of which brand we preferred. That I think indicates how much we're looking to replicate the experience not just have an alternative.
I've never been hugely interested in throat hit, and while it was enjoyable with WTA, it was the physioligical initial "rush" and the feeling of satiation that I enjoyed. I'm sure as with most things, not everybody will react in the same way with it, I experienced one vaper who take three hits and announced it was definitely not for him. He vapes 6mg and part of his comments was too strong for his throat. YMMD should be the slogan (your mileage may differ).
Count me in! 10ml.
I've been quite successful at using my PVs to avoid analogs, but there's still "something missing". Snus helps a lot and I actually like it quite a bit, but WTA sounds very promising. I'd like to give that a go.
I've been quite successful at using my PVs to avoid analogs, but there's still "something missing". Snus helps a lot and I actually like it quite a bit, but WTA sounds very promising. I'd like to give that a go.
I began vaping at 36 mg. It was great and I must give some credit to that strength for my having stopped cold on the former. I have since worked my way down to 18 mg and with some necessity that I won't go into.
As many have found, chain vaping comes too easy. I do recall that at 36 mg and to some extent at 24 mg, I used to put my mod down for periods. That's no longer often the case.
If a juice could provide that type of satisfaction for those of us who indulge heavily, without having a high level of nicotine, that might be a marker post in the evolution of our interest.
- Happy (vapor) trails to you
As many have found, chain vaping comes too easy. I do recall that at 36 mg and to some extent at 24 mg, I used to put my mod down for periods. That's no longer often the case.
If a juice could provide that type of satisfaction for those of us who indulge heavily, without having a high level of nicotine, that might be a marker post in the evolution of our interest.
- Happy (vapor) trails to you
Nevermind... I highly doubt I will rank within the "select few"
I have to apologize if that sounded wrong. Anyone can attempt to purchase. The problem is .... not enough WTA can be made for this release. Future batches hopefully will be different. The scale production is hard to consider or explain. I want to meet the needs for everyone. Its like wining tickets to concert. Not everyone wins front row but some do. I wish i had more to offer for everyone. Should I have held back and waited for larger productions.....? I think at times it would have been a better choice. After a few reviews and a video review this topic became almost viral.
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That's right. One person can only do so much. Depending on initial demand perhaps 5ml should be the only option at first.
I'm glad you didn't decide to wait - Even if I'm not lucky enough to get in on the initial batch, it will still be interesting to hear more feedback.
The concert analogy was apt.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. You never know what demand is truly going to be until you put it out there.
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