Whom are suppliers liable too??

[UntamedRose]

Got this in my mail box earlier...
National Vapers Club regulations, is making it mandatory by 2011 for suppliers to pay them 100 a month for testing. Plus a long list of other "mandatory" "guidelines" http://.............../guidelines.html


I'm just wondering how many different groups are going to do this...and how many different lists of rules there will be.

 

[Xanax]

Link is showing up as a bunch of ".........."

 

[Lithium1330]

The following are the guidelines we ask vendors to meet if they want to sponsor National Vapers Club events.

Their events, their rules.

Look at this forum, here are rules for vendors too, their place, their rules.

 

[UntamedRose]

http://.............../legal.html

 

[Lithium1330]

Not sure why it's not working.

Because you can't link certain sites in this forum, some old fights or something, like I said before, their place, their rules.

 

[UntamedRose]

Sounds more like a scam to me....

 

[Lithium1330]

Sounds more like a scam to me....

Well, the suppliers can choose not to sponsor their events, that group is doing a lot of good things, maybe you would like to read more about them before judging them.

 

[UntamedRose]

It does Not cost 300 for one basic chemical analysis...I love how they dont say whom is doing the testing

Some how I really doubt they will benefit small companies enough to justify 1200

 

[karmatized]

They have no power in any way and it pretty much supports johnsons creek and like 2 other vendors. Everyone else is up the river not able to afford the testing. There was no voting among community suppliers. This is been crapped on by lots of people in another forum. Some of the things they suggest are just good ideas that we all agree on already.

There are better ways to start things like this off without putting the smaller suppliers out of business. These are the kind of things to step into one rule at a time and not forced but rather preferred. Il throw some ideas together and pass them to a mod.

Also remember you must get peer reviewed for any testing to be vaild that can mean tests several times over on the same e-liquid from different testing facilities and the FDA is not required to accept any of it. If and when they gain regulatory control they will set the labs they will accept results from not us.

 

[Xanax]

It does Not cost 300 for one basic chemical analysis...I love how they dont say whom is doing the testing

Some how I really doubt they will benefit small companies enough to justify 1200

Yeah I agree with what you said. Seems kind of fishy

 

[Janetda]

I'm a board member of NCV. Those regulation are simply for vendors who want to participate in our events. Most of them are in place because these are the things that legislators and public health folks ask about. The $300 figure is an estimate by a NJ lab that we talked to regarding testing on a large scale, i.e., lots of vendors testing regularly.

None of these regulations will affect customers at all.

 

[UntamedRose]

I'm a board member of NCV. Those regulation are simply for vendors who want to participate in our events. Most of them are in place because these are the things that legislators and public health folks ask about. The $300 figure is an estimate by a NJ lab that we talked to regarding testing on a large scale, i.e., lots of vendors testing regularly.

None of these regulations will affect customers at all.

I really disagree...See I'm a small business owner myself.
Even the largest of the ecig suppliers are all small business's, actually I was surprised to learn how small all of them are really. Majority of them are one man shops.

Adding an additional 1200.00 to their yearly budgeting might not seem like a big deal to you.
But it will effect the bottom line, prices will have to go up...which does effect the consumer.
Add a few more "clubs" and we have a real problem, as your not a THE "national" club there will be other groups, who go nope we want these standards. So potentially there could be many clubs suppliers are dishing cash out to monthly.
Which will Really effect prices and consumers.

For what? a test that wont really matter to anyone?
The FDA and other "antis" will not be impressed.

Plus your not really proving any other services to them.
In my industry...I pay 40 a month to The one and only "national association'
I get legal backing should I be sued, free class's, dispute regulation for transactions between members, 24 hour phone support, and a international website that everyone uses to communicate,that has like a 100 years worth of data on it that I need. Plus..it actually means something to be a member of.
Now I realize that it's not an exact comparison, but just think about that value difference vs cost difference for a small company.

Now the right to sell at your meetings...
Lets say a company was to do this, adding in this cost, plus say they are marking goods up 50% from bulk purchase price. (we will ignore time, travel, packaging costs)
To profit at all really they would need to sell at least 4,000.00 gross at one of your meetings. Really doubt thats going to happen, especially if there are several suppliers.

Plus I really dislike the feeling that Should a small supplier have an issue with the cost and or standards.......they really cant say anything. As this is such a small community it would look bad, would look like they are selling bad juice, when that might not be the case at all.
So really their hands are completely tied.

 

[Janetda]

I understand your concerns. This has been discussed by numerous people with a varying opinions. The testing requirement doesn't start until next year. By then, this may all be moot. If it does end up going into effect, I'm sure customers will feel assured that the liquid they purchase has been tested, I know I will be.

It's our fervent wish that the vendors will organize and regulate themselves. If that happens, then of course whatever they decide will most likely be fine with us. Until that happens, we feel, for our organization, that this is the right thing to do.