Why 30-50 watts if 8 will do?

[Baditude]

I bought a DNA30 and have it now with a 2.0 build on my Russian. Swapping it back and forth between my Vamo and my new dna, there seems to be a difference in taste/vapor. This part I don't understand fully: why on the same watts w. the same atomizer do these two devices perform differently?!? The dna is definitely better but I'm not sure why. Also, even with my current 2.0 build I can push the wattage up on the DNA w/o burning but not so on the Vamo. Why?!?

The difference is in the way the two devices deliver power to the coil.

The Vamo uses a cheap 33.3 Hz pulse width modulation regulator, the so-called "rattlesnake effect". The DNA does not use a pulse width modulation regulator. A Provari, MVP, and iTaste VV3 use a much higher PWM frequency which simulates the DNA vaping experience.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

 

[Completely Average]

I just can't bring myself to get into 20 and 30 amp vaping, but understand why others do it. I've tried lung hits. They just aren't for me.

I do some 20+ watt vaping depending on the coil build I'm using, and I NEVER do lung hits. I do mouth to lung with a 3 second draw as my norm. When I exhale it often does look like I've taken a lung hit though.


I think that like many, you're not considering the possibilities with different coil builds. For example....

That is a 1.4ohm chimney coil on a Kayfun. It's 30 gauge twisted Kanthal wire wrapped around a 5/64 inch drill bit. The sweet spot for this build with Nicoticket's Custard's Last Stand is 19.5 watts. Rather than subohming I created a coil with a huge amount of surface area, but that much metal takes a lot of power to get hot.

 

[IkarianTrade]

The difference is in the way the two devices deliver power to the coil.

The Vamo uses a cheap 33.3 Hz pulse width modulation regulator, the so-called "rattlesnake effect". The DNA does not use a pulse width modulation regulator. A Provari, MVP, and iTaste VV3 use a much higher PWM frequency which simulates the DNA vaping experience.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...itaste-mvp-dont-vape-same-provari-dna20d.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

Thanks Baditude, I read these links/threads with great interest! I know that I still have a lot to learn. Wondered if I was losing my mind, thinking that "wattage is wattage", but obviously more complex. I'm actually glad that I noticed the difference between devices BEFORE reading these threads. I know it is somewhat subjective, some don't notice at all. I do know for me: there is a difference. I suspect that part could be my less than perfect coils...

 

[dice57]

hmm, well, just get back to us in a year and see where ya stand. Year ago, yeah 8 watts was plenty, now it's like I vape at a low 0f 43 watts and to a high of 96 watts.

And yes, my rbas, tanks and dripper all breathe and wick well enough to be vaped 43 watts minimum. Vape is progressive, the longer ones vape, the better their gear and skills become. It's like riding a bike, a tricycle will get ya there, why bother with a 21 speed mountain bike, I don't see the point.

Well my friend, if you are satisfied with your tricycle, then that's great for you, congratulation's.!!! Personally prefer a big bore, high compression, big air kit and Muzzy pipe, some high lift cams, and maybe some NOS or possibly turbo.

Different Vapes for everyone's personal preferences. You can vape all the people some of the time or some of the people all the vape time, or something like that. Get confused this late at night, time for bed me thinks. lmao

Vape long and Prosper.!!!

 

[tj99959]

Why 30-50 watts if 8 will do?

It would be just as valid to ask the same question in the reverse of that.

Just remember that innovation comes from experimentation, and we are all free to choose to use what someone else has tried.
For me, satisfaction is the key word, and what satisfies me doesn't need to satisfy anyone else. I also tend to think about efficiency, so how many satisfying hits can I get from one drop of liquid, and from one charge of a battery. I would much rather get three hits/drop than use up three drops/hit provided that it satisfies me. I would much rather have one 18490 last all day than need three 18650s to get through the day.

So I just use some simple math skills to tell me the most efficient way to get the vape that I want, and I really don't care (or worry about) what someone else wants. As long as they do it safely.
So; do I think 50w PVs are silly, for me they would be, YMMV.

 

[KurrptSenate]

I didn't get into higher wattage vaping until I wanted to get into dual coils. the provari just didn't have the amp limit I required to run my particular builds in dual coil mode and have them respond quick enough to a button press to get a good vape. when it takes 8 seconds to get a "good" pull, I think there's an issue.

I gravitated towards the DNA 30. for tanks (kayfun, taifun) its plenty. as I got more into drippers and more advanced coil building, I pushed the limits of the chip. my current, favorite coil build doesn't fire how I want it to on a 30 watt device.

I built an okr t10 (50 watts) and for my particular coil build, it performs beautifully at 50 watts, but that's only single coil. If I wanted to run this same build in dual coil mode, I'd probably need 75-85 watts +/-

seems crazy, but it was a natural progression for me.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I have an SX350 that will now take me to 50 Watts. However, I vape 1.8 to 3.0 Ohms and have never used 8 Watts. I choose the SX350 because I like a regulated APV and SX350 has the option of going down to 5 watts, whereas, most chips or boards only drop to 7 Watts. You could hook a mod up to a Honda generator at 3000 Watts and sub-ohm to negative Ohms and it would impact me not at all.
So I have been riding my "tricycle" (thanks Dice), or is it a Harley at low speed, for a while and it gives me what I like - nothing more is of consequence.

 

[odoyal63]

Sony vtc4 or vtc5 is the only way to go IMHO in response to the battery question earlier.

 

[Alien Traveler]

hmm, well, just get back to us in a year and see where ya stand. Year ago, yeah 8 watts was plenty, now it's like I vape at a low 0f 43 watts and to a high of 96 watts.

And yes, my rbas, tanks and dripper all breathe and wick well enough to be vaped 43 watts minimum. Vape is progressive, the longer ones vape, the better their gear and skills become.

Skills? Or addiction?
Why some people have to rise heroine dosage over time?

 

[Ryedan]

I moved from a starter kit to an MVP2 (iClear 30) and now a pro tank mini II and I'm getting an o.k. vape. Of course, you can never experiment enough or have enough vapor or flavor right?

I'm just wondering what the hype is over the higher wattage devices? If your wick/tank can't deliver enough juice, it seems like burnt hits would be the result. What am I missing?

Somehow I'm thinking I could save a lot of time and frustration by just getting a Reo Mod. The initial investment is steep but it seems like money saved in the long run. The alternative seems to be Stingray (clone) Kayfun (clone) batteries, charger, more money, more money....plus some headache and frustration during the learning curve.

A Reo is a bottom fed mechanical mod system. There were a few VV models made but not any more. Bottom feeding means you have a tank on-board that lets you drip from the bottom. It's a very good system which gives you pretty much perfect wick saturation every time

I'm vaping a Cyclone RDA with dual coils at 0.4 ohms right now, so between 25-35 watts depending on battery voltage. You can set up for any power from 5-90 watts with it.

 

[Ryedan]

Skills? Or addiction?
Why some people have to rise [addictive substance] dosage over time?

Vaping is not addictive for most people, irrelevant of power used. I eliminated nicotine in my first year of vaping and use very little these days. Nothing else in our vape is addictive. It can be habit forming though