Why are ecig articles such BS??

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Altaire Versailles

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I just got done reading this 4 or 5 page article in Bloomberg Business week about ecigs and I swear, there was so much jaded and flat out untrue crap in there about ecigs, who smokes them, how they work, how much they cost, like theres no mention of any way of vaping other than buying inferior cigalikes from a major distributor and constantly replacing 5packs of 1ml filters. Why? Who even vapes that does that? It talks about the cost of THOSE vs cigarettes, like you can buy a pack of cigarettes for 8.50, but a pack of njoy refills is 5 or 6 dollars. Yeah, if that was the price difference I dont think it would be much of a game changer. Its saying how oh, youd never know how much you vaped because it doesnt come with the accompanying hack and wheeze and lung irritation...uh, well, if I vape too much nic Im gonna start dry heaving and feel sick to my stomach, so I think thats kind of a sign to stop.

Then I read this article and its more of the same

[url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/e-cigarettes-gain-attention-in-schools-amid-rise-in-popularity/2013/11/14/96dc4774-46ff-11e3-a196-3544a03c2351_story.html[/url]

Seriously? Kids are vaping in class like its nothing, thats the new epidemic in America? I've hardly ever seen an adult vaping let alone children. "Its corrupting our youth, its creating new addictions to nicotine UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHH" Like how hard is it to just find somebody who vapes that knows what theyre talking about? Do the writers just not care to do any research or are they misinforming the public intentionally?
 
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You might want to break the link to junk articles, we don't want to generate links for them. Just put a space in there somewhere.

Most journalists these days are worked pretty hard, and don't have a background in the subject at hand. I cringe at most science articles as they show a lack of even basic understanding and, in most cases, contain information that's flat-out wrong. They're relying on the information they can find, or that's given to them--and that tends to be very poor, very slanted, or very both. :)

The days of the Investigative Reporter are dead and gone. The days of the independent media source is also gone. The days of the carefully-targeted press release are here to stay...except in places like this one.
 

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not to fuel the rant... but here we go!

Kids vaping is a concern. I was in the gas station the other day and some local (young) high schoolers were in there. One gestured to a Blu and said "I want to get one of those." I think most shops are being smart about it with the 18+ guide line, but still, I think it is a lagit concern.

Another I see that is stupid is "Kids are using this to vape [edited]." ... yeah.. ok.. vapeing [edited] probably isnt the best for our youth.. but it is better than smoking it.. inhaling smoke of anything isnt good for you.. vaper give the ... without all the added burning plant fibers.. again, not for kids, but THEY GOT THE [edited]! Isnt that the real problem? not their chosen delivery device? Should we stop selling cans of coke to because that could be turned into a [edited].. How about any tube like aparatus sold in a hardware store? or how about apples? apples can be made into a tasty [edited] too.. and when your done you can eat the evidence.. LOL

Personally I dont consider cigalikes 'Vaping' the way that you do with an eGo or APV/Mech. Sure the technology is largely the same, but its the difference between a moped and a tamahawk (check this bad boy out). lol - ok, maybe not that vast of a difference, but still, at least the difference between a big wheel and a bicycle.

There are many articles that are far from balanced on this issue though.. especially from the main stream media.
In the local news they covered it as a "growing business" in my area. They didnt touch on the controversy (that I remember)
 
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I'm cynical. I don't believe there is any "news" anymore, just haul off the latest P.R. or mega-company marketing or lobbying BS off the e-mail or fax machine and quote it verbatim. Look to all the creepy sneaky proposals in the legislative forum and you'll see Pfizer falling over themselves this year desperate to grab the vaping technology, or "nicotine rights" away from the tobacco industry and vice versa. Money, money money paid to politicians to back 'em up. And they're desperate because 1 more year = huge increase in numbers of vapers. I encourage everyone to stay alert and e-mail your senators and anyone else about the truth about vaping.
 

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You might want to break the link to junk articles, we don't want to generate links for them. Just put a space in there somewhere.

Most journalists these days are worked pretty hard, and don't have a background in the subject at hand. I cringe at most science articles as they show a lack of even basic understanding and, in most cases, contain information that's flat-out wrong. They're relying on the information they can find, or that's given to them--and that tends to be very poor, very slanted, or very both. :)

The days of the Investigative Reporter are dead and gone. The days of the independent media source is also gone. The days of the carefully-targeted press release are here to stay...except in places like this one.

We could always contact the "journalist" and convey our "support" for his views and inaccuracies on the topic.. help to educate maybe..
 
We could always contact the "journalist" and convey our "support" for his views and inaccuracies on the topic.. help to educate maybe..

It might help. The problem is that a lie can travel the world before the truth can get its pants on, and first impressions are critical. This is why political pundits try to get their opinion out as early as possible. Once the truth is tainted with the spin, it's almost impossible to get the dye out again.

And good luck getting another article about them, they've moved on to the Dangers of Asian Spices or something.

Plus if it bleeds, it leads. Positive news never gets the same exposure and reaction that negative news does.

While I sound like a Debbie Downer, reality does eventually intrude. In this instance, articles like this are impacted by the direct experience of several million vapers (including ourselves) who have a very different view and aren't shy about sharing it.
 

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That's funny, the Post also published the following positive article recently. Maybe they changed their minds?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...d18-11e3-98ab-fe5228217bd1_story.html?hpid=z6

I think news outlets are doing two things. Locally, here, they are spreading lies in order to garner support for the ridiculous legislation we have on the table. The other thing happening, because I also see them vacillating between "it's good" and "it's bad" is they simply don't know and don't want to look foolish when the dust settles. I think they're trying to cover their butts.

"We have to report something about it... but all the information is conflicted."

And mainly this is happening because journos are not doing their job and actually investigating anything. All the good journalists have been laid off from the newspapers.

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Left hand, right hand, say hi and get to know what the other is doing... :)

I'm not sure that internal consistency really is anybody's job WRT the media. Opinions do differ, although facts don't.

We have a woman at our local health department who just makes up her own "facts." Every time they publish a story it's always negative and the reporter always runs to this woman and lets her put a negative spin on it. The most recent one I commented with a correction that they actually went in and edited the story so it didn't contain the embarrassing error.

And I always comment and very politely ask that before these articles get published, could we please get some factual information on the subject instead of inane commentary and lies from this woman at the health department. I tell them the least they can do is fact check what this lady is saying before publishing it as "news."
 

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Guess that is why you always have to consider the source. Tobacco is big money and big money owns a lot of media .

It would be quite funny if we found out that all of the negative stories were funded by big Pharma and all the positive stories were funded by big Tobacco. Talk about Clash of the Titans.
 

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40+ years ago while still in elementary school I was taught that an article should address who what when where why and how in the first paragraph. Good luck finding that today, you would be lucky to find such in the entire article. If they can't even be bothered to address the basics then why also make sure it is accurate?

One of my favorite movies is Absence of Malice because it is about the consequences of shoddy reporting.
 

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not to fuel the rant... but here we go!

Kids vaping is a concern. I was in the gas station the other day and some local (young) high schoolers were in there. One gestured to a Blu and said "I want to get one of those." I think most shops are being smart about it with the 18+ guide line, but still, I think it is a lagit concern.

Another I see that is stupid is "Kids are using this to vape [edited]." ... yeah.. ok.. vapeing [edited] probably isnt the best for our youth.. but it is better than smoking it.. inhaling smoke of anything isnt good for you.. vaper give the ... without all the added burning plant fibers.. again, not for kids, but THEY GOT THE [edited]! Isnt that the real problem? not their chosen delivery device? Should we stop selling cans of coke to because that could be turned into a [edited].. How about any tube like aparatus sold in a hardware store? or how about apples? apples can be made into a tasty [edited] too.. and when your done you can eat the evidence.. LOL

Personally I dont consider cigalikes 'Vaping' the way that you do with an eGo or APV/Mech. Sure the technology is largely the same, but its the difference between a moped and a tamahawk (check this bad boy out). lol - ok, maybe not that vast of a difference, but still, at least the difference between a big wheel and a bicycle.

There are many articles that are far from balanced on this issue though.. especially from the main stream media.
In the local news they covered it as a "growing business" in my area. They didnt touch on the controversy (that I remember)

i think what kids do or dont do should be a concern of everyone.
the problem is restricting and taxing vaping out of existence for us adults will not change one
thing kids do.
use of all illegal or restricted items amungst kids is at an all time low.
started flat lining about 5-6 years ago.
if a kid wants to get it ,it will be gotten'.
the more restricted or bad the more the want factor.
just as it is in a youth's nature to test parental boundaries it is the same
for societies boundaries.
the people that are against vaping know this.
its not about the chillen',or our health,its the money.

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Assuming that the point of this thread is to gain some understanding of why media coverage is such :censored: (as opposed to just griping about it), here are my :2c: - based on the hundreds of stories that I read every week for my daily media roundups:

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Most of the pieces are written by local reporters. They know essentially nothing about the topic, and are mislead by the word cigarette and/or the images that they find which show people "smoking" e-cigarettes.. (Those huge clouds must be dangerous, right?)

Therefore, they begin the process of writing the article with powerful preconceived subconscious notions about the relationship between vaping and smoking. To put it simply, they're predisposed to think of vaping as just another kind of smoking. While I don't have any statistical/scientific data to support this conclusion, it wouldn't be hard to get: just analyze the way words are used in the articles. No matter how many vapers they interview, they'll continue to use the language in a way that blurs the distinction between the two.

For example, some articles refer to vapers who are "lighting" PVs. More frequently, you'll read about smoking PVs. So the ANTZ view (which is that vaping is smoking, period) is subtly reflected in most paragraphs of the story.

The reporters really just can't help themselves. Have you ever met someone from another country who thinks that America is full of cowboys and gangsters? It's a bit like that: if you don't know anything about a subject, then it's easy to take the few facts that you do know (or think you know), and then use them as "broad brush" generalizations.

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Now the stage is set. They don't have much time to churn out this article. It might be one of several pieces that they have to write that day. All they know about vaping is that it's just another kind of smoking. (And smoking is a dangerous menace to society ... not to mention the fact that smokers are filthy, immoral, and downright stinky. 8-o)

So what do they do?

First, they Google. Since there are so many anti-vaping articles out there, it should come as no surprise that they pick up the first junk science that they run across (typically the FDA '09 study). Now, of course, they're getting scared. Wow, what are these things? Could they be even worse than smoking?? After speed-reading a few of these articles, they cut-and-paste out a few (junk science) factoids.

Next, it's time to consult the responsible authorities. The more sedulous reporters might visit the American Cancer Society or American Lung ...'n web sites - or even call one of these org's rep.s for a comment. Or they might call their local or state Tobacco Control Office. Health Dep't? Sure, why not. Perhaps they even know another local ANTZ who works in a state- or locally-funded cessation program. Well, it's pretty obvious what sorts of things the reporter's going to learn, right?

If we're lucky, they might call a local vape store owner (assuming there is one). Who will naturally tell them all kinds of good things. But by this point - it's too late. They've already heard the junk. They've read that "e-cigarettes contain ... " (fill in the blank). They know that the FDA and the CDC have "fears." They've heard that there are "unknowns." Local health officials are concerned.

Wow, that's a good story right there. Concerns, fears, and unknowns ... plus FDA '09 to boot. (You know, the old diethelyne glycol thing?)

And if FDA '09 isn't used, there are plenty of other junk studies out there which local or national ANTZ will cite. "Ineffective cessation tool?" Okay write that down. "Possibly more dangerous than tobacco cigarettes?" Got that down in the reporter's notebook, too. Or perhaps they're even typing in the story as they speak to the local ANTZ. (And if that weren't enough, what about all those kids who are getting supposedly hooked on tobacco cigarettes by starting with the e-cigarettes? The poison control center calls? Fires started by battery chargers? And so on, ad nauseum.)

It's worth noting again that there is no "conspiracy" here - the local reporters are just doing what they know how to do best. It's not their job to question the "experts." Reporters simply report what the experts say, in a way that's heavily-influenced by the reporter's own ignorance and preconcieved biases.

Done! Now it's on to the next story ... just a half-dozen more like that to write today ...

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BTW it's worth mentioning that there's a second type of story out there. Those are the ones written by "people with letters after their names." I'm talking about local MDs, toxicologists, smoking cessation "experts," etc. These folks ought to know better. But in many cases - they're paid not to. Now we can talk a little bit about funding, conspiracy, conflicts of interest, and so forth. It's no paranoid fantasy: there's a multi-billion dollar Tobacco Control industry out there, well-funded by a combination of the '98 settlement with the Tobacco companies, BP, and of course ... your tax dollars (at work).

But these are the folks who usually spoon-feed the junk science to the media - it's rare for them to come out front and write the articles themselves. Yet when they do, their "hit job" pieces are typically even worse than what ignorant cub reporters churn out in half an hour.

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Finally, it's important to remember that the quality news outlets don't stand for any of this nonsense (for the most part). With a very few exceptions, it's rare to find pieces in the two categoies that I've just described in a publication like the Times, the Post, the Economist, WSJ, or whatever. Those publications hire well-educated reporters and give them time to write their stories. They probably also have reporters who specialize in the areas (e.g. health) who aren't coming to the process of writing with a head full of myths, rumors, and half-baked ideas.

That said, the vast majority of articles that you're going to read come under the first category. They're written by ignorant cub reporters who have no idea what they're talking about, and who "do their homework" by consulting the "experts" from the Tobacco Control Industry.

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We don't have to stand there and just take this :censored:

1) Tell everyone you know about the fact that you vape, and that you've used vaping to either quit smoking, or vastly reduce your smoking.

2) Hit back in the comments section when you read these stories, or (better) e-mail a letter to the editor. (Those are especially effective if you live in the media outlet's geographical area, and tell your personal story.)

3) Join CASAA, or some other pro-vaping organization.

More people turn to vaping every day. And more of us quit smoking every day. Eventually the climate will change - because we've all taken action.

Don't just sit around and gripe.
 
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Fantastic analysis by Roger Lafayette! I agree, we've got to hit back, in the comments and letters. And I agree with the OP - as soon as I see an article about e-cigs in the media, I :facepalm: as a protective measure before even reading it, because I know I'll be :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: before I get to the end.

Have you ever met someone from another country who thinks that America is full of cowboys and gangsters?

But it is full of cowboys and gangsters - and they're all working in Tobacco Control! :p

(Sorry, couldn't resist - and it's no better in the rest of the world outside the USA!)
 
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