You're not going to see much activity until we know exactly what we are fighting.
And we won't know exactly what we are fighting until the FDA proposes their coming regulations.
Why are so many vapers against themselves?
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And we won't know exactly what we are fighting until the FDA proposes their coming regulations.
Of course, vaping is not an act of protest. But the ability to live life as we choose, taking the risks we choose to take, and being able to "respectfully" vape even though it can be seen by others, should be something to protest about.
BTW, to those whose juice smells like farts, I DON'T WANT ANY O DAT STUFF! lol
BTW, to those whose juice smells like farts, I DON'T WANT ANY O DAT STUFF! lol
Here in Wisconsin When the smoking ban in work places went into effect Governor Doyle put out a letter stating that ecigs were specifically NOT covered by the ban. In a crowded restaurant? no. If I'm one of three customers? I'll try not to fog up the place but I will puff at my leisure unless asked not to. The same goes with stores, in the checkout line when we are 4 deep? no. When I'm alone or almost in an aisle? Oh yea.
Too bad. I vape where ever I go, I just choose not create a sign that says "Look at me!" with a cumulo-nimbus. Those who are observant/intelligent will come up and ask me about what I have, thus have had the opportunity to educate themselves further.
Nobody is stopping anyone from from hiding their vaping. You can be seen by other people outside vaping with everyone else. Should there be a vaping section in bars or restaurants: I'd say sure. But that's not going to happen. Now if you own a restaurant and you want to declare vaping is okay and you want to fight the law under the premise that it's not smoking: I'll support you. But if you go into someone else's restaurant where vaping is not allowed just respect other people's rights and don't make vapers look like a bunch of buttholes by vaping anyway.
Well I have not reached the point where I must vape wherever I go, so I just can't relate as to why you would need to vape while shopping at the WalMart. I also don't snap my bubblegum.
I can understand the OP's point. There are vapers on ECF that believe that vaping is the same as smoking, just as dangerous and want the rest of society to view it as being the exact same thing and that it should be highly restricted and kept away from others. Washington DC just banned vaping in every building, outside in any park and within 25 feet of any building (which encompasses most of the city).
Suggesting that people should sneak vape in bathrooms is hypocritical. It is still inside another person's property and thus just as wrong unless you ask and receive permission.
Suggesting that people should sneak vape in bathrooms is hypocritical. It is still inside another person's property and thus just as wrong unless you ask and receive permission.
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I've thought since I started vaping, what if I was the one being forced to smell the person vaping. Inside rooms, hallways, indoor public places, stuff like that even though vaping may not be expressly prohibited in places like this it's rude to force somebody to smell what you're vaping it's like the person that wears too much perfume and it makes you gag. What if it smells like that to somebody?
Now that being said, walking outside in public spaces where unless I exhale directly into their face it would be extremely unlikely they would either smell it or run into it, I vape away. As long as I watch who's around me and make sure I don't blow a cloud into someone's face, there's no problem. Even if somebody passing by is allergic to something in the vapor im exhaling, flavoring, pg, something like that it will dissipate before it reaches them so there's no harm.
So, as long as I can make sure I'm not forcing people to sit in a cloud, I vape away. Walking down the street, sitting on a bench, unless you run directly for the vapor I just let out there is no way it can bother you besides the obvious visual. People see things that bother them everyday, now when it's something like this where relatively speaking it is harmless I always give the person two options. They can either get over themselves or they can ask a question and I spend the next few minutes correcting all of the misinformation or ignorance the person has been living with.
After all of that, if my vaping is bothering anybody (assuming they are being reasonable, maybe the wind is carrying the smell or something) I either try and exhale differently or move a little bit so they aren't being affected. If I can't do that then well, I can go without vaping for awhile, no big deal.
Now that being said, walking outside in public spaces where unless I exhale directly into their face it would be extremely unlikely they would either smell it or run into it, I vape away. As long as I watch who's around me and make sure I don't blow a cloud into someone's face, there's no problem. Even if somebody passing by is allergic to something in the vapor im exhaling, flavoring, pg, something like that it will dissipate before it reaches them so there's no harm.
So, as long as I can make sure I'm not forcing people to sit in a cloud, I vape away. Walking down the street, sitting on a bench, unless you run directly for the vapor I just let out there is no way it can bother you besides the obvious visual. People see things that bother them everyday, now when it's something like this where relatively speaking it is harmless I always give the person two options. They can either get over themselves or they can ask a question and I spend the next few minutes correcting all of the misinformation or ignorance the person has been living with.
After all of that, if my vaping is bothering anybody (assuming they are being reasonable, maybe the wind is carrying the smell or something) I either try and exhale differently or move a little bit so they aren't being affected. If I can't do that then well, I can go without vaping for awhile, no big deal.
It's easy enough to stealth vape lots of places when no one is around and when the time is right, and for me that is priceless compared to all those times I went hours and hours without a cigarette in nonsmoking places over the years.
I also tend to frown on people farting in my space ... common courtesy is embraced by everyone
Whatever. The entire argument is ridiculous. I haven't met a single person here who fits the description you've just laid out. Nobody here thinks vaping is like smoking, they just respect the law and respect the rights of others. If you don't like the laws get the laws changed, don't insult those who respect the laws.
I see a LOT of behavior that offends me. But I can't legislate it out of existence; common courtesy is NOT embraced by everyone.
that person hasn't been banned, neither is wearing as much or as little perfume as an individual likes
I support a ban on too much perfume. I'd rather smell your BO than your perfume actually.
The government has been slowly gripping our rights for ages, and this you take issue with?
There will be a lot of different views on this one as everyone has a different definition of words like respect, discretion, freedom, and so on. I've never had a problem not vaping anywhere where money is changing hands, unless it's a pub. Even then I will often just step outside. I hate going to the grocery store, maybe even worse than Walmart, so I try to get in and out quickly. Maybe it's for that reason that I've never found myself overly compelled to whip out a mod and start blowing clouds in the frozen food isle. If you can't go 45 minutes without vaping, you may have deeper issues. Not trying to be a ....., it's just the way I see it.
There will be a lot of different views on this one as everyone has a different definition of words like respect, discretion, freedom, and so on. I've never had a problem not vaping anywhere where money is changing hands, unless it's a pub. Even then I will often just step outside. I hate going to the grocery store, maybe even worse than Walmart, so I try to get in and out quickly. Maybe it's for that reason that I've never found myself overly compelled to whip out a mod and start blowing clouds in the frozen food isle. If you can't go 45 minutes without vaping, you may have deeper issues. Not trying to be a ....., it's just the way I see it.
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Just because it's allowed doesn't mean you should not do it. I never said it was banned, but it's rude to wear so much perfume that you get assaulted when they walk by you in the hallway. Now some people might not mind, some people don't mind getting a face-full of vapor, but some people do, and no matter what you think or argue, it's rude to force somebody to do something. In this case it just happens to be smelling something.
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Raw milk is banned. French cheese is banned. Cuban cigars are banned. These are things I take issue with. Not my right to text and drive or to blow vape into people's faces.
You must be quite sensitive or something. I never mentioned anyone in particular and referred to no one specifically. I have read posts on ECF that have stated that vaping and smoking are the same thing and should be treated the same.
On your comment of respecting the law and respecting others, sneak vaping in bathrooms is doing neither. Unless you mean respect the law except where you can break it and not get caught.
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