Why are so many vapers against themselves?

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vaperature

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You must be quite sensitive or something. I never mentioned anyone in particular and referred to no one specifically. I have read posts on ECF that have stated that vaping and smoking are the same thing and should be treated the same.

On your comment of respecting the law and respecting others, sneak vaping in bathrooms is doing neither. Unless you mean respect the law except where you can break it and not get caught.

Please, post a link to one of the threads you're talking about.

You are equating sneaking a vape in the bathroom to doing it right out in the dinner area. You are grasping at straws in your argument. The point was that if you simply MUST have a vape, since it doesn't produce lingering secondhand smoke, you can get away with it in the bathroom. You are just being argumentative for the sake of arguing and that's tiresome.
 
Whatever. The entire argument is ridiculous. I haven't met a single person here who fits the description you've just laid out. Nobody here thinks vaping is like smoking, they just respect the law and respect the rights of others. If you don't like the laws get the laws changed, don't insult those who respect the laws.

This. I hate all the strawmanning sometimes. Thank you so much for posting this.
 

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Okay, Now I will post.

Simply this.
EURO affair - People Smart enough to band together and Face GOVERNMENT in a battle over control.
ECF - People attempting to get other people infighting and battling each other and business owners while Government moves to take control.

I was once told and firmly believe - Keep them fighting among themselves and you have already won the battle.

Picket Popeyes or Support Vaping in America through political action. Your choice.
 

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I don't think it's my right to blow vapor, no matter how harmless, around anybody in public. If my employe or hospitals or restaurants say no to vaping, then so be it.

I got myself into this nicotine addiction mess on my own. It's not anyone's responsibility to make it more convenient for me to get my fix.
 
Okay, Now I will post.

Simply this.
EURO affair - People Smart enough to band together and Face GOVERNMENT in a battle over control.
ECF - People attempting to get other people infighting and battling each other and business owners while Government moves to take control.

I was once told and firmly believe - Keep them fighting among themselves and you have already won the battle.

Picket Popeyes or Support Vaping in America through political action. Your choice.

I don't think the bolded is necessarily true. I think it's more an issue of: vaping is new. We don't know all that much about it yet. Therefore, perhaps some of us don't know where we stand yet on certain specifics. And if we don't know, then surely non-vapers don't know either...so we're understanding, and non-intrusive, about that for the time being.

(The rest is not directed at the poster I quoted, but at the "Get off your azz and do something, even if you don't know what it is!" crowd.)

We should scream "fire" and react instead...because other people are doing it? That's the tactic here? Sorry, we're not in the second grade here. Some of us like to think for ourselves and "everybody's doing it and if you don't, we'll finger-point and call names" just doesn't have the intended impact.

Apologies, but I have no desire to be a sheep. I have the desire to learn and to come to my own conclusions...not be "shamed" or frightened ("ZOMG, the gubbmint is trying to take away ALL our rights! Next thing they'll be trying to take away OUR AIR! You must be a DEMOCRAT!") into adopting other people's (often premature) conclusions...or fight the big fight when I don't even properly know yet what that means (do any of us?).

I think it's a lot brighter to really study and debate these issues to come to some real conclusions, then act calmly, reasonably and intelligently, than to freak out and scream "I have my rights!" when we don't even actually know what that means yet, and prove our big-ol'-badness by blowing clouds of vapor at old men at Denny's. ("And that's because I CAN, Grandpa! What are you gonna do about it, shake that walker at me?")

Being reactive doesn't mean "doing something." It means, "Somebody yelled fire, I'd better start yelling it too!"

We need more time, more education (including self-education, although some of us believe we know it all already about an only years-old practice), more discussion and more really thought-out conclusions...and yes, more discussion amongst ourselves. Because we don't know it all yet. Period. We only know that we want what we want.

And as with everything in life, there's a bit more to it than "I want what I want."

Sue me for thinking, reasoning and considering before jumping on the torch and pitchfork brigade because darn it, I want to smoke during my next gynecological exam.
 
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Used to have to clean my truck windows every couple weeks to get rid of the tar buildup. Now I clean them once every six months, and it's clean looking. I call vapor buildup total BS.

I'm not trying to get one vaper to fight with another, but I see much of this as hypocritical.

As someone who helps manage apartment buildings for a living, I can tell you just how much cigarette smoke destroys. If someone who smokes indoors lives in an apartment for four or five years and then moves, EVERYTHING has to be repainted, the shades have to be replaced, EVERYTHING has to be scrubbed down, the rugs have to be either professionally cleaned or more likely replaced. I agree vaping will not do this so it's ridiculous to let someone cook bacon (as someone said) but not vape in their own apartment. As long as they are not smoking.
 

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we in the US have become lazy...that's all.....when's the last time you seen a real protest (peaceful or not)? in the street....on TV that happened in the US?


How about "occupy whatever"? Those poor .......s who went to school, had to pay for it and weren't given the six figure cush jobs they expected.

Poor .......s.
 

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Please, post a link to one of the threads you're talking about.

You are equating sneaking a vape in the bathroom to doing it right out in the dinner area. You are grasping at straws in your argument. The point was that if you simply MUST have a vape, since it doesn't produce lingering secondhand smoke, you can get away with it in the bathroom. You are just being argumentative for the sake of arguing and that's tiresome.

So you are stating that we should "respect" the rights of the property owner or the law (which ever applies) and not vape in an establishment that bans smoking but it is fine to not respect the rights of the property owner and break the law if you can get away with it by vaping in the bathroom. I stated that was a hypocritical position. I fail to see where my statement is inaccurate.

This is the type of duplicitous behavior that does not provide a positive image of those who vape. Hiding behind a locked bathroom stall door to circumvent the law or the establishment's policies does not enhance the perception of vaping. Either vape openly or don't vape at all.
 
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    So you are stating that we should "respect" the rights of the property owner or the law (which ever applies) and not vape in an establishment that bans smoking but it is fine to not respect the rights of the property owner and break the law if you can get away with it by vaping in the bathroom. I stated that was a hypocritical position. I fail to see where my statement is inaccurate.

    This is the type of duplicitous behavior that does not provide a positive image of those who vape. Hiding behind a locked bathroom stall door to circumvent the law or the establishment's policies does not enhance the perception of vaping.

    So you'e the type of person who clings on to one little issue and keeps hammering on it rather than discuss all the other issues or the subject as a whole, I see. No matter what I say you are going to come back with what I said about bathrooms, right? And you are going to call me a hypocrite. If it pleases you, then I retract my bathroom statement and that's my final word to you before you bait me into getting into an insult match with you and I receive a friendly reminder from the kind folks at ECF. Have a vaporistic evening.
     

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    I fear that if the US vapers don't unite, in just as powerful of a protest, then all we are doing is for naught. Simply waiting, and asking politely for permission will get us absolutely nothing. If we can't, as one loud voice, assert ourselves, then it will all be taken away from us one restaurant, one bar, one public place at a time. All we will be left with is the right to sneak inside our own homes or private places, assemble our contraband, fill it with god knows what, and gloat in how we have won a personal battle.
     

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    Ive never ever seen anybody blow anything in anybodys face, except on tv or when they were ...... off beyond belief. I'm so disgusted and tired of that visualization. Its just not true. Besides, those who really do vape, know how fast it disseminates, how far it can travel, and the thickness of their clouds. Even at the cloud contests, the furtest cloud went only 5' and that was one huge cloud.
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    Used to have to clean my truck windows every couple weeks to get rid of the tar buildup. Now I clean them once every six months, and it's clean looking. I call vapor buildup total BS.

    Dude's worried about getting caught vaping in his home.
     
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