Why do people vape when they never smoked?

[b16 n47h]

Personally i did it to get of the fags but i have friends who havnt smoked but vape and i have some friends who just like to tinker and fiddle so they do it just as a hobby in a way just to see if they can make stuff work better by modding parts

 

[Caridwen]

Because this topic can get heated, we do have this forum for people that vape zero nicotine.

Zero Nicotine Vaping and Quitting Vaping

 

[cags]

I did unsubscribe from this thread, but the darn thing keep appearing in the new posts so I'm back...........

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No there is a totally different issue at play here. And people have been doing it forever, although I can't understand why. They separate into groups and call each other names. It's very immature. ............

it's called human nature. you just called some of us immature.... oops, name calling!

Wait what? Honestly I think it is good to have an opinion... so I really don't get what you are saying here. All I am saying is be nice. Don't call names. Be honest. Don't make up reasons to not like non-somker vapors. Or ex-smoker vapors. Or anyone for that matter. That is just a statement of fact.

You can say that you don't get why people would vape that never smoked or don't like it without resorting to calling names. Labeling people hipster or immature for doing something that we ourselves do is just rude. Where as it is a statement of fact that actions like name calling are just that. Immature. A mature adult can state thier opinions and thoughts without getting nasty or putting people down. You know?

I haven't said anything you can say was calling names, so I wish you would only put that complaint in response to people you think are name calling. someone not reading the entire thread will think *I* was calling names and I don't appreciate your implying that. and really, hipster, trendy are not really name calling. we are not allowed to do what *I* call name calling on this forum I'm an old hippie <shrug>.....so what

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Look, and this goes for everyone who is against non-smokers vaping. I really believe that you are frustrated because you use vaping as a tool to get away from the very harmful and life threatening habit of smoking. To you it's a very personal and maybe emotional ordeal. It's human to have these emotions. It's natural. Just know that that is all it is. There is nothing wrong with a non-smoker taking up vaping.............

are you a psychologist? if not, I think you are name calling by calling some of us frustrated!

Listen

EVERYONE HERE HAS TO UNDERSTAND THIS ONE THING: Personal Vaporizers are not sold as a smoking cessation product, they are sold as a smoking alternative!!!!!!! Plain and simple.

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Stop saying someone can't use a vaporizer simply because they didn't smoke cigarettes! This freedom of choice is exactly why forums like this one exist, to spread the knowledge and let people make their own informed decisions!

I don't have to understand things the way you do, even if you are shouting at us. no one is saying non smokers CAN'T vape. they (we) are saying in our opinion they shouldn't. since some of you think we (USA) still have freedom, we are free to have an opinion.

So if someone wanted to start smoking cigarettes, and they are of legal age, do you not feel they have the freedom to smoke if they want to?

Vaping is no different. If they want to they have the freedom! We fought hard in this country to be able to make these decisions as we please. ..........

I'm old and I can tell you that we (USA) do not have freedom to make decisions as we please. if we did, smokers would not be being persecuted..........

....... I was going to die and soon if I did not quit smoking when I did. Now I can run a marathon.
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just for the record, smoking doesn't usually kill you quickly, it takes a long time. otherwise we would not have people who smoked for 40 years here vaping. you are young so I doubt you were going to die soon..............just to be accurate

:O No no no no. Consenting adults. Any things for sex you have to be 18 or older at least here in cali... I mean I am sure a teenager can get condoms. But they are young adults. I do have a HUGE problem if kids want to use condoms and have sex. That is not age appropriate at all.

oh lord, you think 15 year olds are young adults??

I agree. Moreover they shouldn't be called names for using nicotine, when it is known to be enjoyable, and enjoyed by the very people calling names. That just does not make any sense to me whatsoever. ..........

I wish you would get over the name calling thing - if real name calling had been going on the mods would delete the post.

I could choke on the next pretzel I ate... does that mean I should never eat pretzels? Adults who want to vape should be left to vape in peace regardless of why they chose to do so.

are there people on the forum running around harrassing vapers who didn't smoke?

.........Vaping is fun and cool. And even if I never smoked, like I have said before, I would vape. It's YUUUUUUUUMMMMMMY! And I am an adult.

you may be an adult but your words above are exactly what will entice minors to try it. minors just love to be cool and have "yummy" stuff

...... ok people, stop the hate and get back on track. If someone who doesn't smoke wants to vape because "it's cool" let them. .........

why are you telling us to get back on track ? and nobody is stopping anyone from trying to be "cool". opinion was asked for and we are giving it.

I am not offended by the words. I am offended by others need to call people names and belittle them for no reason. I will never understand the need that people have to be mean to each other. It is not in my nature. But it is in my nature to defend those that are being picked on for no reason.

I don't know, I am pretty sure I have seen you use immature, frustrated, rude. I think I'm offended

 

[CanadianCow]

And if any of you who are saying I am so wrong for thinking non smokers shouldn't vape ever bothered "reading" my posts to non smokers in this forum you will see I have supported them, helped them, offered advice, and told others to chill out. None of that changes how I feel about it, nor does it change that fact that non smokers starting to vape is one of the things the FDA has stated against e-cigs, it also does not change the fact we don't know how safe they are.

I never intended to imply that any opinion is wrong. It's an opinion and we are all entitled to our opinions. What I intended to convey is that as a forum I don't think we as a group should be saying one way or another in regards to the legitimacy of the *why* someone has chosen to vape. If all the people who felt like you do NancyR acted the way you do then there wouldn't even be an issue here. You are correct that there isn't enough information (yet) about the long term use but that goes both way. We don't know how safe or unsafe long term vaping is but until that information comes to light why are any of us making guesses. Share what information there is and then we can let everyone make up their own minds.

The "non smokers starting to vape" argument is just what I am saying on a whole different level. If an adult non-smoker decides to vape then I believe that is their right. I don't need to agree or disagree with it and it's just the FDA (or Health Canada) treating us like small children who are unable to decide for ourselves.

 

[zapped]

Thanks for the link to the other thread. This one has gotten far off point from the original post and has turned into a political soapbox more than anything else.

It isnt hard to see who are the liberals and who are the conservatives here and I doubt we'll ever be able to convince each other of anything.

Im still going to maintain that caution and prudence are the best suggestions on such a sensitive issue, while others will advocate throwing caution to the wind and running headfirst into the unknown.

Each appeals to different people for different reasons and are polarizing factors in this debate. People can view it as young versus old, ex-smoker versus non-smoker, veteran versus noob, addict versus hipster or whatever other appellation fits but it all boils down to the same thing.

Caution versus carefree abandon.

While the latter definitely sounds like the most fun of the two even to old guys like myself, common sense and history shows that the former is usually the wisest and safest course for everyone involved.

Or you could listen to advice from someone who routinely reviews e-juices as tasting like feet.

Its been an interesting thread and people have brought up solid points on both sides but for now at least I think Im done. This is starting to interfere with my enjoyment of vaping and there are other, more enjoyable and less political threads to read here.

 

[NancyR]

I am going to pose one final question to all of you who seem to feel it is ok for non smokers to start using nicotine and vape.

As everyone here is waiting to see what happens to vaping when the governments get finished (not just in the US but around the world), what do you think will happen if a whole new group of people who are not currently addicted to nicotine or smoking start vaping nicotine e-juices and then the government bans them?

As to the "You are correct that there isn't enough information (yet) about the long term use but that goes both way. We don't know how safe or unsafe long term vaping is but until that information comes to light why are any of us making guesses." Yes I am making a guess, I am guessing my vaping is not as bad as my smoking was, which I know would kill me.

 

[ardelleg]

I am going to pose one final question to all of you who seem to feel it is ok for non smokers to start using nicotine and vape.

As everyone here is waiting to see what happens to vaping when the governments get finished (not just in the US but around the world), what do you think will happen if a whole new group of people who are not currently addicted to nicotine or smoking start vaping nicotine e-juices and then the government bans them?
As to the "You are correct that there isn't enough information (yet) about the long term use but that goes both way. We don't know how safe or unsafe long term vaping is but until that information comes to light why are any of us making guesses." Yes I am making a guess, I am guessing my vaping is not as bad as my smoking was, which I know would kill me.

I think the same thing will happen with the non-smokers that started vaping as will happen with those of us who smoked then started vaping....

some will find a way to continue vaping and some will quit vaping because it is now illegal... and I guess some will smoke.... forgot to add that option....

What do you think will happen?

 

[BuGlen]

I've gone back and forth on this particular topic a few times (mostly in my own head), and I've come to a realization. While I understand the concern for giving ANTZ a reason to target vaping even more then they do, there are people who will always be attracted to recreational and self-regulated nicotine use. If someone who has never smoked tobacco products decides they want to try nicotine and is considering smoking, then vaping is the better choice (IMO). I personally need nicotine to combat some of the effects of A.D.D., and if I had vaping as a choice when I started smoking, I probably would have gone that route instead.

In summary, my previous position saying that "vaping should only be for ex-smokers" just seems hypocritical to me now.

 

[Fury83]

As everyone here is waiting to see what happens to vaping when the governments get finished (not just in the US but around the world), what do you think will happen if a whole new group of people who are not currently addicted to nicotine or smoking start vaping nicotine e-juices and then the government bans them?

If you mean what will happen to this whole new group of nicotine addicted people...they'll assess their options and figure out how to proceed just like the rest of us.

I feel like the answer you were looking for is that they would start smoking. I can't say for sure if in your hypothetical they would or not because that would depend on a lot of other things that I don't have the answer to. Quite frankly though...it's not a concern of mine. They know nicotine is addictive when they start using it. In the words of the good doctor; buy the ticket, take the ride.

 

[Ryedan]

I've thought about that, and going back now I wish I'd listened to those that told me it was bad to start up smoking. It’s not bad that there is an option besides Analogs...I think we all agree on that one.
The majority of the issue that stands is if you can sway someone away from it then it’s best to do so unless there is a good reason. The reason at hand has to be justified beyond the just "Look Cool" image. There is plenty out there that you can substitute for something that will damage your body for life. The paradox of the issue is that we all will make a decision either way and outside influences may or may not have a lasting effect.
As for the health risks involved with vaping, they have yet to be determined. Yes where as many have had positive effects the truth still stands that there is no long term medical data on the effects. There is however long term medical information on PG inhaled as it is a common ingredient in nebulizers and has been for a while. The two are not however identical as one contains additional ingredients (Food coloring, flavorings and Nic) whereas the nebulizer does not therefore cannot be a baseline on this issue.
I myself attempt to lead a healthy lifestyle, I do wish though that I could go back and make some decisions that I would not regret in the future. As for personal preference in truth the choice is yours to make, the thread posting as follows needs to boil down to the base of that people will make decisions regardless of what you may or may not suggest to them. The only thing you can do is to guide them to try zero nic at this point for their health and safety.
Just my point of view on this one.

I totally agree with you BlkWolf.

In the end everyone will make their own decision weather to risk addiction, substance abuse and the health issues involved. I didn't think too many non ex-smokers vaped. Really surprised me that there are so many web pages out there supporting vaping for appetite suppression. Things are changing, or maybe I'm just way out of touch. In any case, accurate facts are key to people making correct, informed decisions for themselves.

 

[Reygil]

I have a friend who started vaping and has not smoked in years. He thinks its cool and relaxing even without the nic. I say who cares. It's their choice.

 

[Sadluckdame]

Makes me think back to that first cigarette and how I wish it had been an option then to have had the choice to go with an e-cig instead, because since I was going to be taking up something, it would have been nice to have it be vaping. I'm glad that people today will have an option.

There are many reasons why smokers, non-smokers, past smokers who had quit would want to vape. It stands as a testimony of our unique selves. We are each individuals with different likes, passions, vices and stresser uppers, relaxes and what-nots.

There are many stories to be told, I'm glad there's not only the one, how boring that would be.

 

[BigLungs]

I am going to pose one final question to all of you who seem to feel it is ok for non smokers to start using nicotine and vape.

As everyone here is waiting to see what happens to vaping when the governments get finished (not just in the US but around the world), what do you think will happen if a whole new group of people who are not currently addicted to nicotine or smoking start vaping nicotine e-juices and then the government bans them?

As to the "You are correct that there isn't enough information (yet) about the long term use but that goes both way. We don't know how safe or unsafe long term vaping is but until that information comes to light why are any of us making guesses." Yes I am making a guess, I am guessing my vaping is not as bad as my smoking was, which I know would kill me.

Again who says this is a bad thing? If vaping wasn't available, most of those people would probably turn to cigarettes instead. At least they are making a better decision.

I have said it before and it will say it again, vaping is not smoking cessation, it is smoking alternative. The FDA will come to terms with this eventually.

 

[Idaholandho]

Simple answer to a seemingly simple question...They want to and can. Who am I to even care why they do?

 

[zapped]

Simple answer to a seemingly simple question...They want to and can. Who am I to even care why they do?

Would you say the same thing to your kid if he wanted to touch a hot stove or do something else thats potentially dangerous? NO ONE here is saying they cant....theyre saying they shouldnt.

I doubt any one of us here expects them to listen anyway but there's nothing wrong with being the voice of reason. My parents who are still smokers said the same thing to me when I started smoking and I didnt listen either.

Now that Im older I certainly appreciate them trying to look out for me.Not sure I can say I share the same feeling about moms 21 year old brother who gave me cigarettes and alcohol though. Now I just view him as immature and childish in comparison.

Theres a lot more to being an adult than just turning 18. Back in my day we were taught to respect and listen to our elders. Didnt mean that we had to agree with them or do what they said but we didnt argue with them either.

And Im glad I didnt because now that Ive matured and gotten older I understand that I wasnt as smart as I thought as I was back then and that they were only trying to help anyway.

If if seems like Im talking down to anyone or treating them like a kid then Im sorry but thats how you look when someone offers good, well meaning advice that errs on the side of caution and its met with open hostility and derision, like a bunch of petulant spoiled children intent on not only themselves but everyone else getting their own way.

That being said, I dont care if you want to harm or kill yourself. Do what you want, youre obviously going to anyway and Im glad I wont be here a couple of generations from now to see the aftermath or how far we've fallen.

 

[classwife]

sheesh...how about keeping it simple...vaping is an alternative to smoking.

 

[Sadluckdame]

I kinda wonder if it might have to do with not having the advices that I had back then, but with all of the very good advice (thinking of Alice with that one) we still make footprints our own, of our ownsome and whether they're right or wrong, they're ours in the snow, in the mud, in the sands in time.

No matter the advices, it is that we stand in such suches of spots.

It is nice to put out into the world a very good thing said.
Sometimes it is picked up
and sometimes it is dropped off
other times it is kicked wildly through a window.

People are so great that they have their own, so that there are many interesting things to write of.
I think I kicked that wildly through a window back then.

Anyway, I am liking reading this thread and seeing the diverse personalities.
I'm honestly thinking up all of the Carl Jung's personality typing just flipping the pages.

 

[zapped]

I never thought Id say it but sometimes I actually miss Roly

 

[classwife]

I never thought Id say it but sometimes I actually miss Roly

Hey ! Roly isn't gone...he just wears a different hat now

 

[Faylool]

Yeah. They kinda like the idea of cigarettes but they are too smart to get started on something that stinks, costs a lot and is very bad for your lungs and heart so when vaping arrived they ahead the alternative to smoking like the guy said