Why do people vape when they never smoked?

[GrimmTech]

I started vaping as I was considering going back to analogs after about 3 years. The only time in my life I have been thin is when I have used tobacco either smokeless, in a pipe or a cigarette. Rather than pick up analogs as I have in the past I picked up vaping. I will have to say I'm very happy I did this route instead of smoking again. No smell, no bad taste, can vape inside my house which I never did as a smoker. There is my answer.

 

[Fury83]

The question is really why do people start doing anything.

Why did I start smoking? I wasn't addicted to nicotine prior to smoking.

Why start vaping if you never smoked and aren't addicted to nicotine?

I don't see the difference. You can put all the outside factors in like ads, friends, blah blah...but it really comes down to choosing to start a habit that is not good for you (vaping is way way less harmful but still) over the basic logic of not doing so. People may have friends who vape now. Ads are on popular websites too.

I just don't see the difference between starting one or the other with no nicotine need prior.

Like I said, why does anyone start doing anything?

 

[GrimmTech]

Nicotine alone is really not all that addicting. Its all the other additives and chemicals that make cigarette so insanely addictive and deadly at the same time. And they use ammonia in cigarettes to freebase the nic to our brain.

I completely agree with this. I compare it to this-
When I wanted a cigarette it was like being ravenously hungry for a smoke.
When I crave to vape its like being mildly hungry.
Huge difference.

 

[zapped]

Actually my join date and post count don't have anything to do with this, or matter at all. Just because someone just joined doesn't mean they haven't been around other forums, or been around longer than you!
I know all about CASAA, I in fact wrote them my own letter many days ago, thank you very much!

That FDA argument is just another scare tactic they use to try and get people on their side to ban things that bother them and big tobacco companies. The candy flavors and sweet flavors are what most people here use and enjoy, and probably what helped them most in quitting cigarettes.

It doesn't matter what flavors the liquid comes in it will still be appealing to younger kids, just the same as cigarettes were to many people here when they were younger. The fact of the matter is that if vendors card like they are supposed to and people don't buy them for the kids, then where are they going to get it from genius!!!

And if people band together(including the people that weren't smokers) then the FDA will not be able to ban anything, just like they can't ban cigarettes. If they ban these then they will have to ban cigarettes since this isn't sold as a smoking cessation product, it is a smoking alternative.

Please! You didnt even know about the F.D.A argument until a few minutes ago when I posted it. You arent fooling anyone here but yourself and you dont need to preach to me about what the FDA is trying to do ,I've been fighting this fight for a LONG time now.

People are going to do whatever the hell they want to do and theres nothing you or I or anyone else for that matter can do to change it. Still doesnt mean people cant caution against it.

Most of the time I would agree with you about strength in numbers and the enemy of my enemy being my friend but in this case a couple or even one well meaning idiot could still wreck it for us all. I for one dont want to see all that hard work and promise for a better future go for naught.

I feel the same way about people using stacked batteries, 'herbal" flavored products and irresponsible vendors too. Do you have a problem with all of those as well cause if you do then I think what you're espousing isnt personal freedom but anarchy and those are two entirely different things.

 

[zapped]

The argument should be that age restrictions should be enforced just as any other adult product. I would bring up flavored liqueur, condoms and any other flavored adult item. Just because things have good flavor do not mean they are intended for children to use. And should have no barring on whether a consulting adult should be allowed to use them. I REALLY doubt that flavored condoms are in anyway marketed to kids just because they have flavor. And this is the same. Now if you had a cartoon commercial that stated all the yummmy flavors during the daytime while cartoons were on.... THEN I would be suspicious.

Im not arguing with you about that, I happen to agree wholeheartedly BUT we dont have kids coming into the forums asking about purchasing PVs either.

 

[mariahpoo]

I completely agree with this. I compare it to this-
When I wanted a cigarette it was like being ravenously hungry for a smoke.
When I crave to vape its like being mildly hungry.
Huge difference.

Exactly
I hated my cig addiction. And when it came between food, gas or any other necessity I would choose cigs. I am glad I do not have that in my life now. Vaping is fine. I am the poster child for JUST how much healthier it is than smoking too. My lung health has improved so much. I was going to die and soon if I did not quit smoking when I did. Now I can run a marathon.

So back to the debate:

So I will not badge berade or call name on anyone who wants to enjoy nicotine. I am going to say it again... I think those who don't like those that never smoked vaping because they never had to go through that terrible rotten addiction. They had a better option then you had. And it makes you mad. I know I would probably vape even if I never smoked.

Because I am a vaper plain and simple. But hey maybe that is the difference. Maybe you are still a smoker trying to replace or quit smoking. And good for you! I am glad you have this tool. But just because its a tool to you does not mean it should not be an enjoyable hobby for others.

Look at it this way. You can use a pool to help rehabilitate yourself after a bad accident. But that does not mean that pools should only be for rehab. They are for fun too. And yes YOU could drowns. Or stay in too long and get all pruny. Does that mean you will? No.

 

[mariahpoo]

Im not arguing with you about that, I happen to agree wholeheartedly BUT we dont have kids coming into the forums asking about purchasing PVs either.

Yeah. So if the FDA looks into this they will know that it really is not marketed for kids and cannot even use the argument.

 

[Fury83]

The argument should be that age restrictions should be enforced just as any other adult product. I would bring up flavored liqueur, condoms and any other flavored adult item. Just because things have good flavor do not mean they are intended for children to use. And should have no barring on whether a consulting adult should be allowed to use them. I REALLY doubt that flavored condoms are in anyway marketed to kids just because they have flavor. And this is the same. Now if you had a cartoon commercial that stated all the yummmy flavors during the daytime while cartoons were on.... THEN I would be suspicious.

I agree with this besides the part where condoms are an adult item to begin with.

 

[BigLungs]

Please! You didnt even know about the F.D.A argument until a few minutes ago when I posted it. You arent fooling anyone here but yourself and you dont need to preach to me about what the FDA is trying to do ,I've been fighting this fight for a LONG time now.

People are going to do whatever the hell they want to do and theres nothing you or I or anyone else for that matter can do to change it. Still doesnt mean people cant caution against it.

Most of the time I would agree with you about strength in numbers and the enemy of my enemy being my friend but in this case a couple or even one well meaning idiot could still wreck it for us all. I for one dont want to see all that hard work and promise for a better future go for naught.

I feel the same way about people using stacked batteries, 'herbal" flavored products and irresponsible vendors too. Do you have a problem with all of those as well cause if you do then I think what you're espousing isnt personal freedom but anarchy and those are two entirely different things.

Excuse me, but how would have any idea about what I do or do not know about? Check the CASAA forums from a few days ago and you can see my comments about trying to post my letter to the FDA and the link on the site being down!
You don't know me, and don't treat me like some dumb kid! I knew about the FDA and their potential bans because of the flavor argument long before ecigs became popular(back in the days when there was no EGO or any or the new stuff).

I never said there wasn't need for caution, it is printed on the labels of starter kits these days. I never claimed anything about safety!

The fact is I knew cigarettes caused cancer long before I started smoking(as did many on here), and I still smoked them it was my freedom. People know e-cigs may be dangerous although not proven, and it is still their choice to use them or not. It isn't some magical smokers only club!

Edit: And if you think that just because you have over 2,000 posts it gives you some kind of pass to talk down to other people, you better read the rules again!

 

[Tiffany Smeggin Peak]

the vapors club is magical though!

 

[mariahpoo]

I agree with this besides the part where condoms are an adult item to begin with.

SO you think condoms are meant for kids? ah... wow

 

[mariahpoo]

the vapors club is magical though!

That why I believe anyone (age appropriate of course) should vape away if they so choose!

 

[Thucydides]

Therein lies the problem.

I'm a 2 pack a day smoker of 30 years doing everything I can to better myself by quitting an unhealthy habit and addiction, jogging every day and struggling back to health with every clean breath I take.

Thats something that most people can respect and I HAVE earned it.

There are people of all different levels of respectability who have jogged and eaten right, from serial killers to canonized saints. Gaining respect requires showing respect for others. We're all in this together.

Worst case example, a non-smoker starts vaping cause they think its cool and trendy then develops an addiction to nicotine in the process, one day their PV breaks and while its being fixed they go to the store and buy a pack of cigarettes to get their fix. They like cigarettes so much the PV lays in the drawer forgotten while they indulge their new addiction. 20 years later they develop emphysema and finally die of lung cancer.

I dont think many people can respect that choice, especially if they knew it was made to "put up a front" or to look cool.

Worst case example: Someone watches "It's a Wonderful Life" and sees George Bailey (James Stewart's character) smoking while resisting his mother's prompting to court a girl. They decide that smoking is cool, and they go to the store and buy a pack of cigarettes. Does this make watching "It's a Wonderful Life" a bad idea?

When you're worst case example is a dead ringer for a statistical outlier, then you may well have a pretty good idea on your hands.

Just a footnote as well but has anyone else noticed that most of the people arguing the loudest for non-smokers vaping have less than 100 post counts? Kind of odd that.

I prefer to judge people's contributions on quality and not quantity.

Lest I give the wrong impression, let me just say that I'm very happy to hear that you've found that quitting smoking and making healthy decisions about diet and exercise has improved your life. You and I disagree about this issue, and that's fine. I haven't stated my views with a great deal of respect or deference, because I haven't sensed respect or deference from you for mine. I don't take that personally or hold that against you. And I certainly don't mean to disrespect you as a person when I sometimes don't have respect for the opinion being expressed. (For example, I quote Bertrand Russell in my signature. I have immense respect for him as a person and as an intellect, but I don't have a lot of respect for his activity on the "Who Killed Kennedy Committee," which was pretty much a bone-headed move all the way around.)

I'm guessing that we'll have other interactions, and I may get more accustomed to the rhythm and tempo of your comments and posts. I welcome the expression of your viewpoint, and my tendency to respond in like tone to comments should not be taken as a personal hostility.

 

[Tiffany Smeggin Peak]

lets get real on the flavors being directed towards kids issue...
camel had flavored ciggys, chocolate mint was my favorite...
sometime after that they where gone, then when i rolled my own i used blueberry flavored tubes...
tell me why both of those are banned for sale in the US but we still have honey blunt wraps and cake flavored vodka???
Somebody must think that children will want to smoke a blueberry cigarette but not a honey blunt or a cherry one, b/c they are cigars?
This has confuzed me....

 

[NancyR]

Look at it this way. You can use a pool to help rehabilitate yourself after a bad accident. But that does not mean that pools should only be for rehab. They are for fun too. And yes YOU could drowns. Or stay in too long and get all pruny. Does that mean you will? No.

Ok while I really don't care one way or the other if a non smoker vapes, tho do feel they should use 0 nic and be well informed, to compare vaping to using a pool, you seem to forget that NIC is a drug, and it is addicting. I have never heard of someone going through withdraws if they couldn't get in the pool for a day.

 

[Thucydides]

I agree with this besides the part where condoms are an adult item to begin with.

This is correct. Condoms make terrific blow-up balloon animals.

 

[mariahpoo]

Ok while I really don't care one way or the other if a non smoker vapes, tho do feel they should use 0 nic and be well informed, to compare vaping to using a pool, you seem to forget that NIC is a drug, and it is addicting. I have never heard of someone going through withdraws if they couldn't get in the pool for a day.

So you have the right to use nic and they don't? It's that line of logic that I have a problem with. Nic and caffeine are very similar. They on their own are a mildly addicting chemical compound stimulant. Nicotine has been found to have positive effects on our brains. And Study case show that nicotine by itself is not harmful. And also Not as addictive as cigs are. That is a fact.

This is correct. Condoms make terrific blow-up balloon animals.

Phfffffffaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhahahahhahahahahaha h omg funiest post of the year so far!

 

[NancyR]

So you have the right to use nic and they don't? It's that line of logic that I have a problem with. Nic and caffeine are very similar. They on their own are a mildly addicting chemical compound stimulant. Nicotine has been found to have positive effects on our brains. And Study case show that nicotine by itself is not harmful. And also Not as addictive as cigs are. That is a fact.

ok using your thinking then we might as well let children have them. Some people let them have soda and it has caffeine and other things that can be harmful, but yet caffeine can also be helpful.

I never said nic was as addicting on its own but it is still addicting, we also have no idea of long term usage. For all we know we might be using something that will give us some rare blood problem in another 3 years. So yeah I think any non smoker who starts vaping at this point unless under medical supervision is being stupid!

 

[Fury83]

SO you think condoms are meant for kids? ah... wow

Condoms are for people who are having sex. Sex isn't restricted to an adults...so why would condoms be?

 

[mariahpoo]

ok using your thinking then we might as well let children have them. Some people let them have soda and it has caffeine and other things that can be harmful, but yet caffeine can also be helpful.

I never said nic was as addicting on its own but it is still addicting, we also have no idea of long term usage. For all we know we might be using something that will give us some rare blood problem in another 3 years. So yeah I think any non smoker who starts vaping at this point unless under medical supervision is being stupid!

No it dose not lead to it being okay for adults. I always specified that because this is a chemical compound stimulant that it should be used by only age appropriate individuals. Just as any other adult substance is.

And there you all (meaning all that call non-smoker vapors names and not just Nancy) go again calling names. Can't we have a civilized conversation. Are you under medical supervision? What makes it less "stupid" (just using your verbiage, I would not assume your level of intelligence, I am not like that) for you to use it.