New vapers have a tendency to learn how to do something.... Then they question why everyone else isn't doing it too. It always makes for a fun thread.
Why do some people continue to buy premade coils and juice?
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Remember how convenient smoking was? Every corner store, gas station, grocery store, proper tobacconist, had everything needed to start/continue smoking. Some people just want to hang on to that convenience.
As far as saving money... I can see that. We had a trainer come into our work for a new software platform, and she was a smoker (from TN I believe) she told me cigarettes were still under $5 a pack down there. That explains why I see some banners that say (inflated for comedic value) '18,985 Cigarettes Avoided! $1,105 Saved!'
Up in MA, I was checking out at the local grocery store, and I wandered over to the glass case with all the cigarettes... $11.74 for a pack of filtered Camels PLUS a 6.25% sales tax, and I believe another tobacco tax of something like 30%. Saving money is very easy up here when it is over $16 a pack (10+taxes for Marlboro), but anywhere where a pack is $5, the savings may not even exist, so the convenience factor is enough for some. As long as people aren't smoking, I really don't care what they buy pre-made.
As far as saving money... I can see that. We had a trainer come into our work for a new software platform, and she was a smoker (from TN I believe) she told me cigarettes were still under $5 a pack down there. That explains why I see some banners that say (inflated for comedic value) '18,985 Cigarettes Avoided! $1,105 Saved!'
Up in MA, I was checking out at the local grocery store, and I wandered over to the glass case with all the cigarettes... $11.74 for a pack of filtered Camels PLUS a 6.25% sales tax, and I believe another tobacco tax of something like 30%. Saving money is very easy up here when it is over $16 a pack (10+taxes for Marlboro), but anywhere where a pack is $5, the savings may not even exist, so the convenience factor is enough for some. As long as people aren't smoking, I really don't care what they buy pre-made.
How many people in the world vape? How many even know that places like ecf even exist?
Most these days walk into the same place they bought cigarettes, and buy whatever disposable they happen to have on the shelf.
To them that stuff in the cartridge/bottle is some magical stuff that keeps the from smoking a cigarette. That's all they know, and all they care about.
They don't even know that DIY is possible. And, if they do know that DIY is possible, they think that you need a bunch of expensive lab equipment to do it.
And we certainly help with that perception.
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Most these days walk into the same place they bought cigarettes, and buy whatever disposable they happen to have on the shelf.
To them that stuff in the cartridge/bottle is some magical stuff that keeps the from smoking a cigarette. That's all they know, and all they care about.
They don't even know that DIY is possible. And, if they do know that DIY is possible, they think that you need a bunch of expensive lab equipment to do it.
And we certainly help with that perception.
Bursardo thinks he's ready
I have no interest in building my own coils unless I need to due to govt regulation. If a $3 coil lasts me over a week (sometimes two) and costs under $3, my time is worth way more to me just to buy a new one.
Re: juice.... I will likely start making my own in the next couple of weeks or so, but I have access to great premade juice at under $4/30ml. I have a $3 year old, so don't want to have 100mg nic lying around unless the govt forces me to.
To each their own in any case.
Re: juice.... I will likely start making my own in the next couple of weeks or so, but I have access to great premade juice at under $4/30ml. I have a $3 year old, so don't want to have 100mg nic lying around unless the govt forces me to.
To each their own in any case.
I bought my nic from myfreedomsmokes.com and it's fine. There are other suppliers. From the same supplier I got amber glass bottles and luer lock caps for storage. One of the liters is transfered to 4 250 ml bottles to be used first. Additional nic is transfered to one liter glass bottles to save storage space. I add a blanket of argon gas in the free space above the liquid, put each bottle in a zip lock or freezer bag or two, wrap that in thin bubble wrap with tape and put in the freezer. There are long discussions of long term storage in the forum. Some of the contributors are chemists with technical expertise. Apparently the various chemicals are fairly stable, not prone to spoilage but the nic can oxidize and darken so to prevent that use amber bottles to minimize ultraviolet light exposure, protect from oxygen with caps and bags and inert gas and slow everything down with low temperatures. Nobody can be certain about the outcome but it's the best available approach so far. I believe 10 years is realistic.
You should be able to make unflavored liquid for about a penny an ml. Then what do you want to spend on flavors? I like simple.
If your e liquid doesn't have ingrediants that carmelize when heated, like sweetners, coils last longer. Control over that is another reason to mix.
I build a new coil once a week. After some practice it takes about 15 minutes. I don't try to clean coils, just replace once a week. On rare occaisions I might replace only the wick. Higher ohm coils create heat more efficiently and put less stress on batteries. WIth temp control I build as close to the 1 ohm max as I can get. My vape is in the signature area below.
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I rebuild all the time, I love, to me it's fun. My brother on the other hand hates to rebuild, as he told me after working all day, I don't want to come home and work. He wants to just vape, he uses a TFV4 and gets about a month out of a coil (he uses the Claptons). I've tried to show him how to make them and to use the rba deck, he said thanks but no thanks, I'll buy premade, it's easier. There's nothing wrong with being that way, different things for different people, lol.
Now DIY juice, starting it is not as cheap as people let on. I used to DIY some and when I started (using recipes I found online) very few were any good to me, my brother and some friends liked them, but I did not. I now vape a lot of intricate flavors, my favorite being MM's Pluid. I can buy a 30ml bottle and cut it with 40 mls of VG so for $20 I get 70 mls, to me that's not bad at all. I have another guy that makes juice local 120ml for $20, hard for me to justify DIY at that price. I can spend $60 a month and have plenty of liquid, if I was limited to $15 or $20 30ml bottles, yeah I might take another look at DIY but not right now.
I agree with @inswva , I didn't start vaping to save money, I started because I perceive it as a possibly healthier alternate. If someone can make great DIY juice, that's awesome, it just isn't for me. Oh and I do have friends that DIY and make what they call their ADV, I've tasted a lot of it, some is okay and some to me is awful. Everybody is different and what one may call junk juice another may love, good example, I cannot stand Pin Up or Suicide Bunny flavors. They have a lot of loyal customers but I'm not one of them, lol, I don't think it's junk, it's just not for me.
Now DIY juice, starting it is not as cheap as people let on. I used to DIY some and when I started (using recipes I found online) very few were any good to me, my brother and some friends liked them, but I did not. I now vape a lot of intricate flavors, my favorite being MM's Pluid. I can buy a 30ml bottle and cut it with 40 mls of VG so for $20 I get 70 mls, to me that's not bad at all. I have another guy that makes juice local 120ml for $20, hard for me to justify DIY at that price. I can spend $60 a month and have plenty of liquid, if I was limited to $15 or $20 30ml bottles, yeah I might take another look at DIY but not right now.
I agree with @inswva , I didn't start vaping to save money, I started because I perceive it as a possibly healthier alternate. If someone can make great DIY juice, that's awesome, it just isn't for me. Oh and I do have friends that DIY and make what they call their ADV, I've tasted a lot of it, some is okay and some to me is awful. Everybody is different and what one may call junk juice another may love, good example, I cannot stand Pin Up or Suicide Bunny flavors. They have a lot of loyal customers but I'm not one of them, lol, I don't think it's junk, it's just not for me.
For the same reason people continue to buy cigarettes instead of rolling their own.
That and well, ........Kabuki.
That and well, ........Kabuki.
I do diy juice and build my own coils and use a Mech Mod.. BUT, I BUY premade coils for the wife and her regulated mod. Why, because, I rather her be mad at Aspire and Kangertech, when problems happen, NOT me.
When I started rebuilding coils I loved it. It was fun. Same with DIY. But some days I really wish I didn't have to change a wick. I'm tired or I have better things to do. When I win the lottery my butler will bring my morning vape to me on a silver tray with the coffee. I took the liberty of preparing a light mango vanilla for you this morning sir.
If they made coils as good as the ones I make, and they were cheap, and the FDA wasn't lurking outside my door, I can sometimes imagine going that way. Probably won't happen. I'll just tough it out when I'm having a bad day. Keep a good supply of fresh Kanger heads in the box, make a bunch when I'm in the mood. DIY night only comes round every couple of months. I've got enough PT's and Lemo's that I could vape for a couple of weeks without doing anything.
But really I can get a really nice vape for hardly any money, and not much work. It's like making my own mashed potatoes instead of buying it pre-made from Trader Joe.
Easy to imagine a lot of people not wanting to be bothered with it though.
If they made coils as good as the ones I make, and they were cheap, and the FDA wasn't lurking outside my door, I can sometimes imagine going that way. Probably won't happen. I'll just tough it out when I'm having a bad day. Keep a good supply of fresh Kanger heads in the box, make a bunch when I'm in the mood. DIY night only comes round every couple of months. I've got enough PT's and Lemo's that I could vape for a couple of weeks without doing anything.
But really I can get a really nice vape for hardly any money, and not much work. It's like making my own mashed potatoes instead of buying it pre-made from Trader Joe.
Easy to imagine a lot of people not wanting to be bothered with it though.
Some people will pay much more money for much lower quality products and services just to avoid actually having to do something.
I don't get it either.
Society as a whole seems to value convenience over quality.
I don't get it either.
Society as a whole seems to value convenience over quality.
And some people suck at building coils or making e-liquid.
I only build a coil when I absolutely have to. Hate doing it. Get out the glasses, hands get shaky, and I want to up my nic when building them. (Used to want a cigarette but have managed to get past that....finally)
Edit to add: I only started building coils because the best device that I have found, for me, requires building my own coils.
As far as liquids.. I equate that to people who cook. Some are good at it..some are not. No matter how hard they try, they just are not.
Nice that everyone has options. I Really Hope that those options are still there after the FDA gets done with us.
And some people suck at building coils or making e-liquid.
I only build a coil when I absolutely have to. Hate doing it. Get out the glasses, hands get shaky, and I want to up my nic when building them. (Used to want a cigarette but have managed to get past that....finally)
Edit to add: I only started building coils because the best device that I have found, for me, requires building my own coils.
As far as liquids.. I equate that to people who cook. Some are good at it..some are not. No matter how hard they try, they just are not.
Nice that everyone has options. I Really Hope that those options are still there after the FDA gets done with us.
Oh I totally agree with you.
However,
I don't think that's actually the demographic they made triple coil .15 ohm monster cloud coil heads for.
Have some faith in yourself Robin.
Mixing juice is easier than mixing a drink, or making dinner.
If you can make pancakes you can mix juice far better than anything you find pre bottled.
I was another who thought I'd "never ever" build coils; "electrical stuff" terrified me. But I got sick of factory coils that were duds right out of the pklg, and having to constantly buy them over and over and over... it offends my tightwad soul, so I started learning, and now if it's not some type of RDA/RBA, I'm not interested. I didn't think I'd find an RDA that suited my tootle puff style, but the Achilles is terrific!
I was pretty sure I would DIY even when I first started, but I had to get off the tobacco flavors before I was *really* interested. When I found I needed both WTA and very high PG, it kinda forced my hand into DIY; now I rarely ever buy ejuice, since what I make is not just cheaper than the bought stuff, but I like it better -- it's strong and sweet the way I like it; most bought ejuice has very little taste to me.
As for why people keep buying when they could do it themselves... same reason some people always eat out -- they can't cook, or can't be bothered to learn how, or don't have the time or interest. And some of us "old smokers" are far enough along into middle age that we have problems with arthritis in our hands, which could make building/mounting coils an insurmountable challenge. Younger folks might not want to get into DIY because of the necessity of keeping high-strength nic around, if they have little ones that might get curious and have no easy way of securing the high-strength nic.
Andria
I was pretty sure I would DIY even when I first started, but I had to get off the tobacco flavors before I was *really* interested. When I found I needed both WTA and very high PG, it kinda forced my hand into DIY; now I rarely ever buy ejuice, since what I make is not just cheaper than the bought stuff, but I like it better -- it's strong and sweet the way I like it; most bought ejuice has very little taste to me.
As for why people keep buying when they could do it themselves... same reason some people always eat out -- they can't cook, or can't be bothered to learn how, or don't have the time or interest. And some of us "old smokers" are far enough along into middle age that we have problems with arthritis in our hands, which could make building/mounting coils an insurmountable challenge. Younger folks might not want to get into DIY because of the necessity of keeping high-strength nic around, if they have little ones that might get curious and have no easy way of securing the high-strength nic.
Andria
I bought a little squid dripper not knowing that I wouldn't have to wind the wire around those tiny screws. I was pleasantly surprised to find the I could just insert the legs of the coil into a tiny hole and then tighten the knurled headed screws with my fingers. Worked like a charm for these old eyes and shaky hands.
I ended up buy 3 more of them for just in case something happened to this one. May even add a couple more to my just in case box. 
If the coils I buy cost me 3 bucks each I might hustle someone else to make them but mine are the cheap single coil no frill kind, so I am ok with paying 67 cents a coil for. I save my energy for making my own juice.
Its easier to throw a quad coil in the tfv4 than use the rba section. Better vapor production, coils last me 3 weeks to a month
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