Why don't I like my Squonker

[QcVaper]

rtas never worked for me ever since day 1 when i started using rebuildables, never could get wicking right and flavor was always just meh.
First rda i got built it in half the time, wicked it first try and got 200% better and more flavor.

Never could let my squonks go ever since i've found them and i'll most likely never go to anything else.

Edit: reading the thread more i noticed OP was using an ammit mtl rda, which imho never tasted or acted very good, it was put to rest quite quickly tbh and never used it or bothered with it again.

 

[Mordacai]

@KurtVD, simple wire or complex wire?

Also I'm thinking that the Ammit MTL RDA may not be for you, not saying it's bad. But have you tried any other MTL RDA's? As I wonder wether the issues you're experiencing are specific to the Ammit.

One of the best folks to ask about MTL RDA's is @Fidola13, as she uses a lot of them.

 

[bombastinator]

Most of the time Ni200, but sometimes SS316 (both for use with TC), probably 6-8 wraps, resistance between 0.06 to 0.6, depending on the wire used.

.06 is generally considered dangerously low. Even .1 is dangerously low. Numbers have been going down as devices improve, but to be safe at that resistance you need a pretty high end device.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Actually, the coil and wick in my RDA (Geekvape Ammit MTL) stayed exceptionally clean over long periods of time (months): Due to its poor flavor production, I hardly ever used it, and when I did (because of the large bottle), I didn’t wanna waste my precious juices on it, but instead used a mix of VG, water and a few drops of very sweet juice. And due to my desperate and constant squonking, I regularly washed out the deck with that clear mix (which got darker very quickly), but on the flip side , the wick and coil stayed very clean...lol

There could be many reasons as to why one RBA has a cleaner wick after prolonged use over another assuming the same juice and coil was being used. Wick in contact with the inner chamber as an example.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

.06 is generally considered dangerously low. Even .1 is dangerously low. Numbers have been going down as devices improve, but to be safe at that resistance you need a pretty high end device.

How is that dangerously low? Either the regulated device can fire at the resistance or it cannot not, in which case it will spit out an error.

 

[bombastinator]

How is that dangerously low? Either the regulated device can fire at the resistance or it cannot not, in which case it will spit out an error.

Like I said. Higher end device.

 

[Layzee Vaper]

@KurtVD wire type and resistance alone do not really give enough information. You could try a slightly spaced 8 wrap 26AWG SS316 round wire build around a 2.5mm rod. Make sure all of the connections are tight, including the squonk pin. Check the resistance is around 0.5 to 0.55 depending on the length of the legs. Then do a gentle dry burn in wattage mode. Wick it, soak the wick in ejuice then slowly increase the wattage, a couple of watts at a time starting from around 10 watts. You should get to a point where you get a reasonable amount of vapour, without burning the wick. Good luck.

 

[Fidola13]

@KurtVD, simple wire or complex wire?

Also I'm thinking that the Ammit MTL RDA may not be for you, not saying it's bad. But have you tried any other MTL RDA's? As I wonder wether the issues you're experiencing are specific to the Ammit.

One of the best folks to ask about MTL RDA's is @Fidola13, as she uses a lot of them.

I actually have only started getting into MTL atomizers for the Provaris I just bought. But I normally use a single round ss316L wire in my MTL attys. I’ve been using the Ammit for MTL vaping and I really like it.

But there is a a thread on MTL attys on the RDA thread that will probably be more helpful than my limited experience with them.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Like I said. Higher end device.

That still does not explain why it is dangerous. The battery in a regulated device does not see the coil, it only sees what the regulated chip is requesting in terms of power. The regulator chip determines whether the coil is of acceptable resistance or not. If acceptable, it will apply your requested power. If it is not acceptable, it will not fire and give you an error. We are bound to the limitation of the device. Exceed said limitation in terms of resistance and the device will not operate.

 

[bombastinator]

That still does not explain why it is dangerous. The battery in a regulated device does not see the coil, it only sees what the regulated chip is requesting in terms of power. The regulator chip determines whether the coil is of acceptable resistance or not. If acceptable, it will apply your requested power. If it is not acceptable, it will not fire and give you an error. We are bound to the limitation of the device. Exceed said limitation in terms of resistance and the device will not operate.

I said “generally considered”. I also said the danger level is dependent on the device used. Not all mods are VV

 

[KurtVD]

That still does not explain why it is dangerous. The battery in a regulated device does not see the coil, it only sees what the regulated chip is requesting in terms of power. The regulator chip determines whether the coil is of acceptable resistance or not. If acceptable, it will apply your requested power. If it is not acceptable, it will not fire and give you an error. We are bound to the limitation of the device. Exceed said limitation in terms of resistance and the device will not operate.

Even though I have only limited experience, I agree with you here, since that has actually happened to me before. I was trying to make a coil with 28 Ga Ni200 wire (instead of the .30Ga I normally use), which turned out to have less than 0.05 Ohm of resistance. That was on my RTA, and my Pico 75W just displayed ‘Resistance too low’. I don’t know if the Pico can be considered a high end device, it certainly isn’t priced like one.

 

[bombastinator]

Even though I have only limited experience, I agree with you here, since that has actually happened to me before. I was trying to make a coil with 28 Ga Ni200 wire (instead of the .30Ga I normally use), which turned out to have less than 0.05 Ohm of resistance. That was on my RTA, and my Pico 75W just displayed ‘Resistance too low’. I don’t know if the Pico can be considered a high end device, it certainly isn’t priced like one.

Pico is a full on VV mod so it would qualify. “Higher end” May have been the wrong term. “Full featured” might be better. There are a lot of devices lately that say they are VV but only partially implement it.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

Even though I have only limited experience, I agree with you here, since that has actually happened to me before. I was trying to make a coil with 28 Ga Ni200 wire (instead of the .30Ga I normally use), which turned out to have less than 0.05 Ohm of resistance. That was on my RTA, and my Pico 75W just displayed ‘Resistance too low’. I don’t know if the Pico can be considered a high end device, it certainly isn’t priced like one.

Regulated devices have their limitations with acceptable resistance. There is usually a small +/- variance due to deficiencies but if the device thinks you are too low or too high, it just doesn’t operate. I do not see any risk with this.

Of course we can cherry pick devices that do not offer such functions, to which it is up to the user to understand the limitations.

 

[mimöschen]

When the circuitry fails, you're screwed.

 

[KurtVD]

When the circuitry fails, you're screwed.

Are you not screwed no matter the resistance, if the circuitry fails?

 

[Punk In Drublic]

When the circuitry fails, you're screwed.

Screwed as in you assume a higher risk? There are 2 sides to a regulated circuit - a input (battery) and output (coil). In the context of low resistance being dangerous, should the coil side fail, does that automatically connect the atomizer to the battery and allow you to fire? Given the complexity of the circuit I have my doubts.

That said, there are definitely other components for other functions that can fail which could stress the cells.

 

[Zaryk]

In the context of low resistance being dangerous, should the coil side fail, does that automatically connect the atomizer to the battery and allow you to fire? Given the complexity of the circuit I have my doubts.

I have seen this happen and heard multiple reports of it happen. Someone puts their batteries in and the mod does not stop firing until the batteries are removed. Sometimes beyond the 10 second cut off. It may not be super common, but it is a thing that happens in both cheap mods and very expensive mods.

When it comes to ohms and regulated devices, I'll make no comment there. I never studied that subject very deeply since I only really use mechs and have no good reason or desire to even know how the regulated devices deal with it.

 

[Punk In Drublic]

I have seen this happen and heard multiple reports of it happen. Someone puts their batteries in and the mod does not stop firing until the batteries are removed. Sometimes beyond the 10 second cut off. It may not be super common, but it is a thing that happens in both cheap mods and very expensive mods.

When it comes to ohms and regulated devices, I'll make no comment there. I never studied that subject very deeply since I only really use mechs and have no good reason or desire to even know how the regulated devices deal with it.

Also seen such reports of auto firing – hence my comment on other components failing. But is auto firing happening due to a low resistance coil or some other fault? If we have a 0.06 ohm coil (like the OP), that is running ~20 watts (assuming), does auto firing connect that 0.06 resistance directly to the battery, or does it just trigger a switch to fire constantly at 20 watts? I agree that both scenarios are dangerous, but given the complexity of these circuits I have high doubts the atomizer is given a direct path to the battery in the event of a failure.

In simple terms, a regulated circuit separates the coil from the battery. If you ask for 50 watts at the coil, regardless of resistance, the circuit will request 50 watts from the battery. At the battery side this equates to power divided by voltage. Coil resistance on the battery side is not a factor (assuming within device limitations).

 

[AngeNZ]

Here's some good flavour mtl RDAs:

Digiflavor Etna mtl RDA

Cthulhu 1928 MTL RDA

Vapefly Galaxies MTL RDA

Salix Styled MTL RDA

 

[Mordacai]

@AngeNZ, Vapefly Holic is supposed to be a good MTL RDA. It also has deep wells which makes it a possible candidate for Squonking.