why i am angry with cigarettes

[ad356]

in an earlier post i had said something about being angry with cigarettes. the reason i had said that is i am angry with the additional things put into cigarettes to make them more addictive. think about it, if it was only nicotine in a traditional cigarette than dropping the tobacco in favor of a PV should be extremely easy. however this is not the case. things have been added to cigarettes to make them far more addictive that any natural tobacco would ever be. they are an engineered device, engineered to make them one of the most addictive subtances on the planet. when they add things like amonia to cigarettes to turn the nicotine into a free agent or freebased nicotine if you will. i have a huge problem with that. why doesnt the government enact a law that they cannot add things like amonia to cigarettes. as much as i hate cigarettes i still find myself smoking 1 or 2 per day. it makes me angry that even though i vape myself stupid i still find myself want one on occasion.

so yes i am angry at cigarettes themselves but not cigarette smokers. i dont allow people to smoke in my home or in my car but i dont personally hold against them. it is my vehicle and i have the right to tell them NOT to smoke in my car and if you dont like it, walk. i do not have the right to tell them they cannot smoke, if they dont mind destroying their body smoking +1 pack per day, that is their choice. i might suggest that they think about taking up vaping but i will not attempt to go any further than that.


the only person that i really care about getting off of cigarettes is my wife, which she has been making good progress doing. i care about her more than any other person in my life, of course i dont want her to die a sad, young and preventable death, she is a great woman. she is only my second girlfriend, i have been with her 10+ years and im only 30. dont know what i would do without her. i am very happy that she has been smoking less and less as time progresses.

 

[swedishfish]

It's good to get angry at something that was killing you. And it makes sense. I think when you act like you're giving up your best friend it's harder to break the habit. That's what they suggest with AA, NA, even dieting to put down the Twinkies.

I'm deeply angry at cigarettes as well, but more angry at big tobacco. Sure, no one put a gun to my head but I had no idea they actually put drugs in cigarettes. Drugs that make you more addicted. Drugs that make them even more deadly. I've said it before, they're no better than drug dealers and should be doing time with the other dealers.

 

[ad356]

i hate big tobacco. to think that they can put things into cigarettes that make them more addictive YET also makes them more deadly to think that this is legal is simply mind blowing. that was one of the reasons why when i was smoking or if i have a single cigarette today then i refuse to smoke pre-packaged, manufactured cigarettes. i was smoking "smooth" pipe tobacco that i use a tube injector. not only is it much cheaper it also has had less bad stuff done to the tobacco(or at least thats what i believe). now im even giving up on my rolled cigarettes. when i was smoking i refused to spend $10 on a pack of crappy philp morris FSC (which is what the government wants you to do). pre-packaged cigarettes are truely gross and disgusting.

for the government to allow them to add stuff to cigarettes to make them more addictive and deadly as a result of adding more crap, then i hate the government as well. i hate how the govenment allows this. i also hate how the government continues to profit and collect taxes on this deadly substance. the government should take all of the tax money recieved from cigarettes and invest it in smoking cessation programs, they should allow the PV as one of the cessation programs offered. i know that the PV is not a nicotine cessation device but it should be labeled as a tobacco cessation device, there is a difference and thats what it is. it is a smoking cessation device, since it helps you quit smoking but it is not a nicotine cessation device. nicotine is NOT what rots your lungs and the rest of your body, its 4,000 chemicals in a brew called tar.


a freind who smokes recently asked me why cigarettes have had allot of the stuff that is bad about them added. i told her the only answer i had was that cigarettes wouldnt be very pleasant without all of this added trash. i also told her that they would no be as addictive and that the tobacco companies do not care if you die from what they add as long as your are addicted until death.

 

[ad356]

another thing growing up i knew that smoking was bad but i dont think i was aware of just how bad it is, how addictive it is, or what they put in it. i think by the time they released a list of the 500 or so chemicals and additives that they put in a cigarette i was already well addicted to them. i grew up in the 80's and 90's, smoking was still somewhat acceptable and you will even still see that HUGE marlboro billboard driving on the expressway. smoking wasnt as taboo as it is today. they told us it was bad but i dont think they told us the whole truth until more recently.

 

[Running Wolf]

And how many of us my age and older (42) started smoking as a teenager? You make some really smart choices when you think you are bullet proof and know how the world works.

Tobacco does have some medicinal benefits. The thing is by the time tobacco is processed and put into cigarettes it's about as much like tobacco as bleached white flour is to whole kernal wheat.

 

[bigtiime]

We must remember that our government and any other organization that supports BT (not naming names) makes MILLIONS of dollars from the sale of tobacco and tobacco related products (cigarettes). I'm not surprised that they allow BT companies to do pretty much whatever it takes to keep the smoking population smoking. Could the use of e cigs or any other smoking alt. that comes down the pike threaten this? You bet cha!

Pretty sad IMHO

 

[NicLiq]

I was really angry to find out that the hardest part of quitting for me was the addiction to carbon monoxide. I knew cigarettes were bad from the time I started smoking, but not once did anyone every talk/write about carbon monoxide addiction and the crazy withdrawal from it. I have several friends that smoke just 1 or 2 cigarettes a day and I'm convinced it's for carbon monoxide rather than nicotine.

 

[minigoat]

Enjoying this thread

I wasn't aware:
"Tobacco companies discovered that adding ammonia to the cigarette manufacturing process helps convert bound nicotine molecules in tobacco smoke into free nicotine molecules. This process is known as "freebasing." Similar to the chemical process of freebasing ......., the end result is an enhanced effect of the drug on the user."

Is there something I could read regarding carbon monoxide addiction?

Thanks

 

[mariahpoo]

in an earlier post i had said something about being angry with cigarettes. the reason i had said that is i am angry with the additional things put into cigarettes to make them more addictive. think about it, if it was only nicotine in a traditional cigarette than dropping the tobacco in favor of a PV should be extremely easy. however this is not the case. things have been added to cigarettes to make them far more addictive that any natural tobacco would ever be. they are an engineered device, engineered to make them one of the most addictive subtances on the planet. when they add things like amonia to cigarettes to turn the nicotine into a free agent or freebased nicotine if you will. i have a huge problem with that. why doesnt the government enact a law that they cannot add things like amonia to cigarettes. as much as i hate cigarettes i still find myself smoking 1 or 2 per day. it makes me angry that even though i vape myself stupid i still find myself want one on occasion.

so yes i am angry at cigarettes themselves but not cigarette smokers. i dont allow people to smoke in my home or in my car but i dont personally hold against them. it is my vehicle and i have the right to tell them NOT to smoke in my car and if you dont like it, walk. i do not have the right to tell them they cannot smoke, if they dont mind destroying their body smoking +1 pack per day, that is their choice. i might suggest that they think about taking up vaping but i will not attempt to go any further than that.


the only person that i really care about getting off of cigarettes is my wife, which she has been making good progress doing. i care about her more than any other person in my life, of course i dont want her to die a sad, young and preventable death, she is a great woman. she is only my second girlfriend, i have been with her 10+ years and im only 30. dont know what i would do without her. i am very happy that she has been smoking less and less as time progresses.

While I have the same (love)Hate for cigs, I cannot bring myself to have one. I love vaping more. And I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I do. But since having my pv I will never go back to analogs. I was desperately afraid for my health, and I am only 33.

I also understand your concerns for your wife. I have the same for my dear husband (DH). I have woken several times unable to breath and after my breathing treatment checked on him. It looked like he was not breathing. However he was shallow breathing. I can't tell you how many times my heart would almost stop. Loosing him would be worse then losing life itself. I have seen him cough up black chunks and blood. I have never done this, and I have asthma. I am so glad that he has been on the e-cig only a week behind me. I have NEVER seen him go more then 3 days without a analog until now. And it truly make my heart sing.

 

[mariahpoo]

I was really angry to find out that the hardest part of quitting for me was the addiction to carbon monoxide. I knew cigarettes were bad from the time I started smoking, but not once did anyone every talk/write about carbon monoxide addiction and the crazy withdrawal from it. I have several friends that smoke just 1 or 2 cigarettes a day and I'm convinced it's for carbon monoxide rather than nicotine.

Very true! The one analog I had since my e-cig journey was "euphoric" for the first 20 seconds or so (give or take) after that I started to feel really light headed and sick. Now I remember my first pack of cigs I felt like this. Funny what you start to remember. I do believe it was CM and all the other evil deadly chems that made me feel this way. I am so glad that I HATED it this time around.

 

[Vapeterry]

When i get really frustrated (often) with learning all the ins & outs to vaping- so many numbers- i feel very angry that i started smoking (early 70's) to begin with. Other than the smoking addiction i have mostly lived a healthy life-style.

 

[NicLiq]

Enjoying this thread

I wasn't aware:
"Tobacco companies discovered that adding ammonia to the cigarette manufacturing process helps convert bound nicotine molecules in tobacco smoke into free nicotine molecules. This process is known as "freebasing." Similar to the chemical process of freebasing ......., the end result is an enhanced effect of the drug on the user."

Is there something I could read regarding carbon monoxide addiction?

Thanks

Unfortunately there isn't much info. other than to describe the symptoms of withdrawal (unable to concentrate, less efficient, impaired speech, lack of coordination, feeling spaced out or in a fog). mariahpoo's post says it best - that light-headed rush feeling is from carbon monoxide, it's not from nicotine withdrawal, and people's first cigarette of the day was probably all about depriving the brain of oxygen.

Very true! The one analog I had since my e-cig journey was "euphoric" for the first 20 seconds or so (give or take) after that I started to feel really light headed and sick. Now I remember my first pack of cigs I felt like this. Funny what you start to remember. I do believe it was CM and all the other evil deadly chems that made me feel this way. I am so glad that I HATED it this time around.

Exactly!

 

[frosting]

I really feel the poster on this. I wrote about it as well reflecting on my 1st 31 days smoke free http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-success-stories/230674-reflecting-my-1st-month-tobacco-free.html


To me, they seem more like super cancer sticks with gargantuan punch of all the extra toxins added today. It seems to me as many things as possible with meticulous care are added with the hope and the prayer when a young naive kid takes that first drag BT has him! He's hooked! The thing is as time goes on I have a feeling that 20% of smokers will keep going down and down. Smoking has made people a 2nd class citizen, a leaper, a "loser" even to the most ignorant of addiction. I wonder what is BT , BP, and the government going to do when their revenue river runs dry? Will people pay $20 a pack of smokes? I wonder.

I think the only thing stopping BP and the government from clamping down harder on our PV's besides Judge Leon's ruling, is the fact(and I do think many of us would) would go bat-..... to every newspaper, town hall, news station, ect about how these gadgets have saved our lives, friends/family and there would be a ripple effect of uproar.

 

[Running Wolf]

We must remember that our government and any other organization that supports BT (not naming names) makes MILLIONS of dollars from the sale of tobacco and tobacco related products (cigarettes). I'm not surprised that they allow BT companies to do pretty much whatever it takes to keep the smoking population smoking. Could the use of e cigs or any other smoking alt. that comes down the pike threaten this? You bet cha!

Pretty sad IMHO

*my brain works in strange and mysterious ways*

You post reminded me of something I have always found ironic.... NASCAR used to have the Winston Cup. Anti-Smoking people complained about it and they had to change it. How come we can have the Busch Series and cars plastered with beer and booze companies? Doesn't that seem like a contradiction? If I was one of those anti-people I would be saying it promotes drunk driving. It's the same logic that is applied to a Winston Cup making people want to smoke.

I was really angry to find out that the hardest part of quitting for me was the addiction to carbon monoxide. I knew cigarettes were bad from the time I started smoking, but not once did anyone every talk/write about carbon monoxide addiction and the crazy withdrawal from it. I have several friends that smoke just 1 or 2 cigarettes a day and I'm convinced it's for carbon monoxide rather than nicotine.

I give blood.... I do it because if my daughter is in an accident or other person I care about needs blood it will be there for them. So I do it so it will be there for someone else's loved one. </preachy mode off>

The times I have been cut back/quit and times I have smoked and gave blood you see a big difference in the the color. This isn't right after having a cig either, a good 30-60 minutes later the stuff is still screwing with your blood chemistry.

 

[chopperguys]

wow great info i just quit on the 17th and after 25 years of pack or more a day i love vamping all day instead already seeing changes for the better

 

[dankie]

I also understand your concerns for your wife. I have the same for my dear husband (DH).

I thought DH stood for Dumb Husband every time I had read it before.

 

[BigFatDan]

I think I like the carbon monoxide as well. I prefer vaping over normal cigarettes (although this 30mL bottle of menthol is killing me, haha) I still smoke one here and there maybe 2 a day max. I only smoke like 1/2 to 3/4 but I never finish it. It tastes disgusting yet I still keep smoking it. No matter how bad and disgusting it tastes I smoke it anyways. I tell myself I'm smoking it for the hell of it and whatnot but I believe it's for the carbon monoxide. I've been having small fits of anger lately because my friends rolled the rest of my cigarettes (I told them to, I had a 16ounce bag of Mint pipe tobacco and 2 cartons of menthol tubes) There were maybe 3-4 packs of it gone and after I quit (3 weeks and 4 days or so) They're all gone. I went outside to roll one this morning and discovered I had no tobacco. This normally wouldn't anger me. My friends and I usually all chip in to buy the tobacco and tubes (we all live on the same street, they just go in my garage and roll like 15-20 cigs when they need them and go on their way) I was just so full of anger I couldn't even control it. I was just SO angry and I don't know why. Eventually after blowing up many phones and stuff I got a hold of one of my friends who was on his way home. He stopped by and we smoked a cig. I only smoked 3/4 of it and then felt fine...

I think it may take longer for me to quit smoking than I had originally intended. Seems like I might have to break out my shisha soon instead of the cigs.

 

[minigoat]

I thought DH stood for Dumb Husband every time I had read it before.

ROFL (i was wondering what DH was)