Why is juice so expensive?

[WattWick]

Possibly because it says 'gourmet' on the sticker.

 

[Das Auto]

I would like to know why a 30 ml bottle of juice is 20$ like why is it so expensive it makes me kinda mad..

Well if you knew how expensive the traps that these companies use to capture those little Fairies and not to mention the Extraction process! All those tiny tools, they're expensive!! So, what do you expect!?!?

 

[juggler86]

If I didn't DlY it would only cost me around 140 a week for ejuice

Holy hell. I thought I vaped alot but nowhere near 30mls a day.

 

[Flt Simulation]

Make juice yourself ... It's easy. Certainly is not rocket science.

The juice I make costs me .10 cents per ml to make .... So, that 30ml bottle is 3 bucks

As far as I'm concerned, if your paying more than $3.00 for a 30ml bottle + shipping cost, your paying too much

 

[zoiDman]

Holy hell. I thought I vaped alot but nowhere near 30mls a day.

You have to consider pistolpete's location.

Everything is Expensive in Hell. At Least, that is what they Told Me when I was Young.

 

[zoiDman]

Make juice yourself ... It's easy. Certainly is not rocket science.

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Another thing a person Can do is to Supplement their Retail e-Liquid with DIY.

When I first started doing DIY back in 2010, I didn't know what I was doing. So I would Make 15ml of some Retail Flavor I was trying to Match, and it Didn't work exactly as planned, I would Mix it with 15ml of the Matching Retail e-Liquid.

So then I had 30ml of e-Liquid for about 1/2 the Price of Retail.

Kinda DIY with Training Wheels.

LOL

 

[Flt Simulation]

zoiDman ....

Good idea

I've done that before

 

[edyle]

E-Liquid must be a brand builders dream.

You pay many times the cost of the liquid for the label alone. What the label is worth is up to you. To me - not much.

Since my taste buds recovered from vaping - I have yet to try a single brand-name e-liquid that wasn't nauseatingly thick on flavorings. I don't pay a premium for things I have to modify. If it's something like that for you - you can get pre-mixed concentrates of some pretty decent liquids and mix them to a much lower flavoring level - and thus price. I pay roughly £3.5 - £4 for flavorings for 100-200ml e-liquids. More than you average DIY-er. A fraction of your average brand chaser.

For me it's a good thing because then when I dilute it it works out $better$

 

[WattWick]

For me it's a good thing because then when I dilute it it works out $better$

I guess the end result may be $similar$. As I have to import all my stuff it just makes more sense doing it the way I do. We have a tax/fee wall above a certain price point. Orders above ~$42 that contain nic may well end up costing $50 in taxes and fees. Just doesn't make sense not to stay below that.

It's about striking a balance between quantity, package price and shipping costs. Separating the expensive stuff (brand) from the nicotine saves quite a bit of money.

 

[Froth]

You would have to be pretty stupid to hire a load of employees, a mixing/bottling plant, a large storage space along with purchasing bulk ingredients if you were just starting your own e-juice company from scratch.

The more likely scenario is that you would have started off by DIYing your own e-juices until you had 4-6 decent recipes down, then you would test out the juices on your pals before either selling locally, on facebook or a website. All of the mixing, labeling, measuring, branding, website design can be done by the DIYer, none of the tasks are difficult or particularly time consuming.
Then if demand becomes too overwhelming for just the one person to cover then they would hire more staff, look to rent a small clean room and consider upping order quantities to get the bulk discounts. Expansion of the business would be in response to the demand for the product.

The risk is minimal, which is why you see 100 new e-liquid companies appearing each week.

Anyway, as others have said, the reason that e-juice sells at such a high price is because customers continue to buy it at that high price. If people were unwilling to pay high prices then the vendors would have to lower their prices to generate sales.

This causes issues for me, because it's true and there are lots and lots of juice companies that are actually just one person making juice in a spare room in their home. Nobody knows what sort of conditions exist for these small companies, and nearly nobody that purchases any juice from them would take the time to have the juice checked for consistency and safety of ingredients. Yes, the investment risk is minimal IF you're ignoring good health and safety practices in the infancy of your company(the most important stage!). To do it RIGHT you need a clean room environment with filtration and proper equipment which does change the initial start up costs quite a bit.

Doing it right and just doing it are entirely different things. Yes, you can do it in a manner which cuts as many costs as possible, but that's not the morally right way to do it in my opinion. Wanting to make a profit too soon can cripple a small business if it runs into legal issues. Worse yet, if the juice you started making in your home gives someone an allergic reaction which causes health issues and you've failed to register your business as an LLC because you're trying to "test things" with some friends you are now personally responsible for any damages due to improper business practice.

 

[Rossum]

To do it RIGHT you need a clean room environment with filtration and proper equipment which does change the initial start up costs quite a bit.

What exactly is the risk in using juice that isn't made in "a clean room environment with filtration and proper equipment"?

Worse yet, if the juice you started making in your home gives someone an allergic reaction which causes health issues and you've failed to register your business as an LLC because you're trying to "test things" with some friends you are now personally responsible for any damages due to improper business practice.

You have a problem with people taking personal responsibility for what they make and sell? I don't.

 

[zoiDman]

What exactly is the risk in using juice that isn't made in "a clean room environment with filtration and proper equipment"?

...

Isn't that how Girl Scout Cookies are made?

Here you see a working preparing a batch of Thin Mints...

 

[Froth]

What exactly is the risk in using juice that isn't made in "a clean room environment with filtration and proper equipment"?


You have a problem with people taking personal responsibility for what they make and sell? I don't.

It's a risk that is not necessary to be taken IMO. We're dealing with an inhaled substance, say someone is violently allergic to peanuts and "Honest Bob's vape juice" is making juice in his home next to a room where someone else is chopping peanuts and making a desert. Or even worse say that person who is cooking helps to package the juice and doesn't wash their hands, now peanut dust is on the outside of the bottles and that small of a concentration can trigger a pretty serious reaction in some people. Theoretically speaking it would be possible for air born peanut dust to end up in the juice that is being made as well, all it would take is the wrong person vaping that and you're going to have the possibility for a serious allergic reaction. You may be fine with that, but I am not. That's all I'm getting at.

 

[TheVapingNewfie]

The risk is minimal, which is why you see 100 new e-liquid companies appearing each week.

With a low initial investment and so many new companies turning up, prices may become more competitive for quality juice.
We can only hope.

 

[zoiDman]

It's a risk that is not necessary to be taken IMO. We're dealing with an inhaled substance, say someone is violently allergic to peanuts and "Honest Bob's vape juice" is making juice in his home next to a room where someone else is chopping peanuts and making a desert. Or even worse say that person who is cooking helps to package the juice and doesn't wash their hands, now peanut dust is on the outside of the bottles and that small of a concentration can trigger a pretty serious reaction in some people. Theoretically speaking it would be possible for air born peanut dust to end up in the juice that is being made as well, all it would take is the wrong person vaping that and you're going to have the possibility for a serious allergic reaction. You may be fine with that, but I am not. That's all I'm getting at.

"Theoretically" speaking, Anything is Possible.

I personally would like to see All e-Liquid Mixers wear Kevlar reinforced hip waders on the chance that a stray Mojave Green Rattlesnake could bite them on the Leg. And then, thru perspiration, I could get Snake Venom on the Cap of my e-Liquid.

BTW - Would something like a Class 3 Air Filtration Systems add to the Cost of the an e-Liquid.

Maybe your Want is the Answer to the OP's Question?

 

[Flt Simulation]

You folks keep talking about Air Filtration Systems, Clean Rooms, etc ..... How about that pimply-faced teenager frying up your Big Mac or the guy making your 3:00 AM breakfast at The Waffle House?

Do you really think there kitchen is some kind of "Clean Room" or they have some fancy / expensive "Air Filtration System"? .... Not on your life!

BTW ... For a real surprise, go checkout the kitchen in some of the local Chinese Restaurants in town

 

[Rossum]

It's a risk that is not necessary to be taken IMO. We're dealing with an inhaled substance, say someone is violently allergic to peanuts and "Honest Bob's vape juice" is making juice in his home next to a room where someone else is chopping peanuts and making a desert. Or even worse say that person who is cooking helps to package the juice and doesn't wash their hands, now peanut dust is on the outside of the bottles and that small of a concentration can trigger a pretty serious reaction in some people. Theoretically speaking it would be possible for air born peanut dust to end up in the juice that is being made as well, all it would take is the wrong person vaping that and you're going to have the possibility for a serious allergic reaction. You may be fine with that, but I am not. That's all I'm getting at.

Sounds like what you're saying is that juice that isn't made in "a clean room environment with filtration and proper equipment" presents no risk to 99.5% of the population, yet you want you all juice made in such an environment so that the 0.5% of the population with special needs like yours doesn't have to worry?

If I told you what I really thought of this, I'd get sent to the Sin Bin.

 

[Zamibe]

While I agree to an extent, it does depend on how much you vape. For someone just starting up with a CE4 style atomizer, 2mL's a day makes that cheap. But for those who subohm and those who vape at high wattages, it wouldn't be out of the ordinary to vape up to 12mL's a day (maybe some even more), which makes that just as expensive, if not more than cigarettes (where I am at least).

Personally, I agree with the OP for the most part. I will never pay anything above $20 (the reason I say $20 is Nicoticket is $18.99 for 30mL which is more than should be paying on my college budget, but their juice is just so freaking amazing and the people over there are awesome) for 30mL ever again. And that's my choice, that may just be me though. This is why I started DIY'ing. Now 30mL's costs about $1.37, which is great.

OP, if you don't DIY, I would recommend checking out ITC Vapes. Some of the best prices you will find ($4.99 for 15mL, $7.99 for 30mL, $19.99 for 120mL, and $35.99 for 240mL), and it is actually great juice! I love their Spoon Licker OG and Custard #3. Also, Casey Jones Mainline Reserve is $11.99 for a 30mL and $27.99 for a 120mL and it's some of the best e juice I have ever had. A little more expensive than ITC, but still much more affordable.

Red Rock Vapor, Vape Wild, Mt. Baker Vapor, eJuices.com (the sale tab), Bleux Vapor, and Captivape are some cheap juice sites that sell great juice.

 

[DoubleEwe]

It's a risk that is not necessary to be taken IMO. We're dealing with an inhaled substance, say someone is violently allergic to peanuts and "Honest Bob's vape juice" is making juice in his home next to a room where someone else is chopping peanuts and making a desert. Or even worse say that person who is cooking helps to package the juice and doesn't wash their hands, now peanut dust is on the outside of the bottles and that small of a concentration can trigger a pretty serious reaction in some people. Theoretically speaking it would be possible for air born peanut dust to end up in the juice that is being made as well, all it would take is the wrong person vaping that and you're going to have the possibility for a serious allergic reaction. You may be fine with that, but I am not. That's all I'm getting at.

There is a very cheap and simple solution to the problem you have highlighted...

DoubleEwe's Backroom Brews*

*e-juice may contain traces of peanuts, cheetos, cat fur, dust, insects, diketones. If you have any serious allergies please test the e-liquid before consuming. Bottles may also be coated in peanut dust to give an 'aged to perfection' appearance.

 

[ellejewell]

we have a local shop in town that sells baker white brand. 50mls for $19.99 not a bad price, but i didnt like most of their juices. They were rather weak to me. but I do love their Happy almond which I have heard is a clone of castle long. Don't know because I never tried it, but it's still great. I have started getting into diy though because I like the stronger flavors that I just can't find anywhere else. Like everyone has said it is a personal preference on how much you spend. but if you have the time to learn and want to try giving diy a try you may enjoy it and save some money too.