Why isn't vaping being better publicized?

[Gleamingsands]

I've been vaping for awhile, and I've known about it for years. Why isn't this bigger yet? People all over still don't know. This is one of those devices that can save countless lives, yet nobody has them at a clinic. There are no places you can go to locally if you don't live in a city. vaping needs to be taken to the next level with a whole new brand of PR. Commercials need to start playing on television, people need to really do something about this. So many lives are in our hands because we are the 1st Wave.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

Because they only way MSM wants to cover it is as a controversial new thing the FDA wants to ban. They say things like people are smoking antifreeze, and other ridiculous things.

It's deadly poison, and you may be having it for dinner! Details at 11.

If if bleeds, it leads. If it doesn't raise eyebrows, change the wording so it does. Controversy sells.

 

[Gleamingsands]

The FDA had no ******* problem putting me on Ritalin, Paxil, and Concerta as a child, something which they did not yet know the full effects of on children. What gives them the right to differentiate? If they are going to let people take acutane, which has given a family member of mine ulcerative colitis, why can't we have our Ecigs, something that has been shown to be pretty safe over the last 6 years. It's just another case of out of control regulation.

 

[Zurd]

The big problem right now is that vaping on long-term might have effects on your health, especially the lungs. No clinical trials have been done as of today so it can't be advertised too much. Believe it or not, we're just still guinea pigs with vaping.

 

[Gleamingsands]

We aren't TOTAL guinea pigs. All of these products have been tested on humans independently, in some cases over the course of 60+ years, and this is the case with the main ingredient, PG. On the other hand, We don't know the effects of inhaling MOST of these things, especially the flavors, but it can't be doing that much harm, unless it starts causing sudden death, which would have happened by now. The FDA is like an idol you have to sacrifice money to in order to make your next crop grow and make it to market, accept the market still might have goods not fit for human consumption!

 

[Zal42]

The big problem right now is that vaping on long-term might have effects on your health, especially the lungs. No clinical trials have been done as of today so it can't be advertised too much. Believe it or not, we're just still guinea pigs with vaping.

Well, strictly speaking, this is so. However...

Heavy, frequent inhalation of vaporized pg has been done for a long time, since the late 1800s, by theatrical techs and performers and aside from those with preexisting asthmatic issues and those with an allergic problem, no adverse health effect has been observed from long-term inhalation. There have also been modern studies that back this up (and some that report a health benefit in the form of antibacterial action).

Inhalation of vg is a bit iffier, and it does break down into a toxin near the temperatures used in vaping. However, this is in minute amounts and is probably (but not proven!) far safer than inhaling combustion products.

Nicotine in isolation and small doses (such as with vaping) is well studied and it's hard to pin down specific health problems to it.

Flavorings/colorings: can't make a blanket statement since they're all different! This is really the part where we don't know what the health effects are. Flavorings and colorings are tested for safety when ingested, not inhaled. These are a small part of juice, though.

All in all, we know more about the health effects than many people state. They're certainly not "completely unknown". So what you say is true, but not completely so.

 

[Gleamingsands]

Well, strictly speaking, this is so. However...

Heavy, frequent inhalation of vaporized pg has been done for a long time, since the late 1800s, by theatrical techs and performers and aside from those with preexisting asthmatic issues and those with an allergic problem, no adverse health effect has been observed from long-term inhalation. There have also been modern studies that back this up (and some that report a health benefit in the form of antibacterial action).

Flavorings/colorings: can't make a blanket statement since they're all different! This is really the part where we don't know what the health effects are. Flavorings and colorings are tested for safety when ingested, not inhaled. These are a small part of juice, though.

All in all, we know more about the health effects than many people state. They're certainly not "completely unknown". So what you say is true, but not completely so.

This is what I was getting at earlier. I actually believe the FDA should get involved eventually, but not in a prohibitionary manner. In fact, I would feel alot better if the FDA got behind the ecig regardless, because then long term health effects could be; A: Better studied, B: Better Financed, C: More Widely Acceptable, despite the FDA's long term abbreviations of the truth. It would also help assure we didn't end up with toxic or addictive chemicals in trace amounts in our juice.

 

[beetlespin]

Because there alot misleading information out there about e-cig and juices and the people behind that well It all about money "tax revenue" and Big pharma.

 

[Tol]

Funny, last night while checking out my bottles of DayQuil and NyQuil, both contain PG. Granted we are not inhaling cold medicine, but I just noticing how many things we use and ingest have it.

Wait a minute..........OH MY GOD!!! I AM DRINKING ANTI-FREEZE in my cold medicine!!!!

Since I have done little or NO study on what drinking PG means for my health, logically those cold medicines need to be banned I would think.

 

[Zal42]

Funny, last night while checking out my bottles of DayQuil and NyQuil, both contain PG.

You know what else contains pg? Cigarettes!

 

[warbdan]

And toothpaste, mouthwash, shampoo, soap, and just about everything else we put in our face daily.

 

[Mark Mayhew]

tv, i can understand because it's expensive...I don't get why there isn't more info/conversations on e-cigs on the social media sites

 

[hairball]

Unfortunately, the FDA could care less about our health. It all has to do with money. Thank about it. If you get lung cancer, who profits? Doctors, hospitals, insurance companies (to an extent), funeral homes, cemetaries and the list goes on. If we never got lung cancer, who would profit? No one which means no work. FDA doesn't give a rat's .... about our health. Look at all the drugs that they say are safe and then pull off the market telling you they aren't.

 

[reachedmylimit]

Because Big Tobacco plays HARD BALL and even though they are losing smokers everyday they still have more money than the Vaping community.

They are the same ones that paid for all of those studies on: the non-addictiveness and no direct cancer ties concerning smoking tobacco!!
We reveiwed many of those so called "Scientific Data Studies" (I mean really; who calls them that?)paid for by Big Tobacco; that the government accepted and promoted in the 50's-80's, what a crock. Only after the whistle blower incident did things begin to change.
A first year Bio-Chem could have determine the blatant defects and inaccuracies. Can you say skewed, well they did.

Money talks....and they do not want to give up their Billions, no matter who gets hurt. They still advertise and sell like hot cakes in 1st, 2nd and 3rd world countries that do not have the regulations the USA has imposed. It is sickening.

D.

 

[Gleamingsands]

Truly the FDA is just another corporate engine of greed and sinister dealings. It would be a wise decision for the American public to wake up altogether, they've had the cures for alot of diseases for years, but who makes money if they die, as the last poster said.

 

[proudlion]

Propylene Glycol Research Study Results

 

[VprNomi]

The problem with studies done on ingredients independently is that when you mix them together, new compounds are created. I'm not a scientist but this is basic chemistry, guys and gals. The effects of inhaling PG/VG+nicotine+flavor combination is not necessarily the same as the separate effects of inhaling PG/VG and the effects of inhaling nicotine and the effects of inhaling flavor. It's more complicated than that.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

It only becomes new compounds if the components are interreactive. Putting salt in water doesn't change either the salt or the water, it just becomes a mixture of the two. You can still evaporate off the water and are left with the salt, exactly the same as when it went in.

 

[reachedmylimit]

Yes but trying to break the ionic bonds in a salt particle is a completely different matter. NaCl is basically inert (not readily changed by chemical or biological reaction) but separated they are highly reactive and combustible.
From safe to dangerous as opposed to dangerous to safe. Until you do the research you do not know the end result.

 

[ScottinSoCal]

You actually helped make my point. Unless the material is reactive, you've got no new compounds. Sodium is certainly reactive, and so is chlorine, but sodium chloride isn't. Propylene glycol isn't reactive, either. That's how it's safely used in a wide spectrum of foods and other products. If it reacted chemically to other ingredients and became something other than propylene glycol, they wouldn't be able to use it in everything from soap to toothpaste to tv dinners.