Why the switch to 80 + watts over the old low 8 watts standard?
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Yeah, voltage drop, and the coil heating up. SS316L is good for that.
Still looking for the perfect mech squonk though. Thinking the gloom... But for the cigar itch, I have this:
No mech head here. Unfortunately I do understand enough of Ohm's law, but still ended up doing a build of my old velocity decks where everything was cool, until one day the coils touched the walls of the tank. Then I started thinking, what matters more, my face being blown off (okay it's an exaggeration), or me using a device without a safety feature? Even my sports car has safety features. One button to turn it off, but it really causes no harm most of the time. Okay in snow I need to turn the safety features off, but it can do things in the blink of an eye I cannot do if the car (or my mods) get into an unexpected situation.
When did that happen?
Nobody knows the exact day but it was probably not that long after a person who smoothed out their juice with vg showed another person how much smoother the juice was. The other person perhaps reacted like "smooth shmooth, look at that cloud" and thus it was born.
Then perhaps another time a person tinkering with a used atty decided to rebuild it with a different, more efficient wire. Again they showed it to another mentioning they get a much stronger drag and better flavor. And again "flavor/shmavor look at that cloud"
Nobody knows the exact day but it was probably not that long after a person who smoothed out their juice with vg showed another person how much smoother the juice was. The other person perhaps reacted like "smooth shmooth, look at that cloud" and thus it was born.
Then perhaps another time a person tinkering with a used atty decided to rebuild it with a different, more efficient wire. Again they showed it to another mentioning they get a much stronger drag and better flavor. And again "flavor/shmavor look at that cloud"
Electricity doesn't have emotions, the vape doesn't suffer from some protection circuits. It's fine, but for anyone new to vaping (like this thread) I will always recommend a regulated mod.
Sorry, not trying to be a dick, but at least for anyone new to vaping, I would not steer them toward a mech mod and probably not to an RDA, not to get started. They'll get there later if they want, but vaping already has a bad name, and when I read stories about people using vape devices being hurt, first question I ask is were they using a regulated device?
p.s. I screwed up that build. The coil was probably very close to the walls of the velocity RDA, not enough to show as a short when I built it, but closer than it needed to be. On a regulated mod user error like that generally causes no harm, the mod won't fire. I blame it on my user error, but user error happens. Vaping is already under attack by the FDA, so anything that adds confidence it is safe works for me.
p.s. I screwed up that build. The coil was probably very close to the walls of the velocity RDA, not enough to show as a short when I built it, but closer than it needed to be. On a regulated mod user error like that generally causes no harm, the mod won't fire. I blame it on my user error, but user error happens. Vaping is already under attack by the FDA, so anything that adds confidence it is safe works for me.
False confidence and reliance on computers that can and do fail is worse than a healthy sense of risk.
I don't know that I agree with that.
Men are stubborn beasts. There is a common stereotype that they don't like to stop to ask for directions when lost, and they don't like reading owners manuals prior to using a new tool or device. It is safe to say that all of the mod explosion deaths have occured to young males using mechanical mods. It is also probably safe to say that those males were probably uninformed or not properly educated on the safe use of their mechs. Chances of a regulated mod exploding under similar circumstances are much less likely.
Too many people are jumping into mechanical mods without understanding what they are getting into and not realizing it is not a care-free device like an eGo or Provari. It requires more attention to details and a better understanding of all the variables. Too often people on forums say, " Mech mods are easy, just drop a battery in and go vape. I don't understand why others say it is not for beginners." The reason is because if you don't understand all the things you need to watch for there is a serious chance of something possibly going terribly wrong down the road. Education is key.
Mech mods are not learning devices. They need to be understood before you begin to experiment with them. So far most novices have been lucky. However, some people don't check the batteries they use, don't know what resistance their coils are, don't know how to work an Ohm's Law calculation, etc, and nothing has happened, giving a false sense of security to others to try the same things, but all it will take is one bad coil or one bad battery to change someone's face forever...or worse.
When it comes to advanced mass marketed systems like cell phones, laptops, and hybrid electric cars, the system designers of those products have taken appropriate steps to make them "safe" for uninformed end-user use. Purely mechanical unregulated ecig battery mods and uninformed end-users is a dicey proposition.
Most consumer battery operated devices are no where near the limit of the battery's operating limits. The high-end flashlights, ecigs, and RC toys come to mind as applications that really push the limits. With the RC toys the device is physically far removed from the person, so a mishap is inconsequential pertaining to physical harm to the user. With e-cigs a mishap is literally in the person's face.
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Let me be clear.
My post wasn't intended as endorsement of anyone using a mech.
Merely to point out that regulated mods can, and do, fail. Some people, like me, would rather know that if it will, it's our fault, and not that of some electronics made at the least possible cost.
I guess its fine you feel that way. I don't think the comment was aimed toward someone who knows enough about mech/regulated explosions to have that kind of opinion. You know the risks.
I think the comment was more, "If someone's new, they are less likely to blow themselves up with a regulated mod than a mech, especially if they DO NOT know the risks."
It's not a bash at mech mods specifically more a worry about them being sold to new vapers without adequate "teaching."
I don't think you can yell "computers!" and leave it at that. I have had many, many laptops in my lifetime. I've pretty much done everything you can do to a laptop and they all just broke, not blew up. I mean, I expect a useful life out of a laptop (for me) to be about 4 years, if I'm lucky. And that's even with taking better care of them. None of my laptops have blown up, ever.
They just die.
Anna
I think the comment was more, "If someone's new, they are less likely to blow themselves up with a regulated mod than a mech, especially if they DO NOT know the risks."
It's not a bash at mech mods specifically more a worry about them being sold to new vapers without adequate "teaching."
I don't think you can yell "computers!" and leave it at that. I have had many, many laptops in my lifetime. I've pretty much done everything you can do to a laptop and they all just broke, not blew up. I mean, I expect a useful life out of a laptop (for me) to be about 4 years, if I'm lucky. And that's even with taking better care of them. None of my laptops have blown up, ever.
They just die.
Anna
That is your prerogative. I tend to think that human error or a chance distraction is more likely to occur than a chance electrical circuit failing...unless it happens to be a mod made by SMOK.
I used to use both mechs and regulated mods. I use regulated mods exclusively now. Part of that reasoning is because I like to frequently change the settings of my mod which I couldn't easily do with my mechs. But the other part of that choice is because my regulated mods provide me with a layer of safety that my mechs can't provide.
I'm still cognizant of potential risks and still practice safe battery practices. Regulated mods are not "safe", just "safer".
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Sure. As do most laptops, regulated mods, and cell phones. Expecting one to fail is like expecting to win the lottery. But, it does happen. Expecting the computer to make everything fine is naive.
I'd rather live in a world where personal freedoms are most abundant BECAUSE personal responsibility is a right and duty, not a privilege all but forgotten.
That is sort of my point.
I don't need to justify how I vape to you, or to anyone.
In a discussion about why 80+ watt mods aren't just available, but commonplace, the statement that an 80w mod isn't even needed to vape at 80w IS relevant.
Even though the OP moved on, I vary my wattage all the time. Different wattages bring out more/ different flavor notes in the juice.
Pretty much true. My first real rebuildable was a kayfun light. I had a 30g shot gun coil set up in it (Thanks to the Ripper), and would have to rewick it every other day. Then I used a Fogger 4 for about six months, both running on a Vamo with a 1.2 ohm limit. But then, I bought a Panzer clone and a Stilair clone and I was off and running on the mech highway with a .25 ohm coil set. That was what I was looking for! LOL.
While I agree I do believe sheer laziness to actually absorb and learn about mech usage is at the forefront concerning safety habits. The information is out there in abundance but how many have we seen that refuse to accept anything but the answer they want to hear.
I can't disagree with that statement, but it is those select few idiots who will cause restrictive federal regulations onto the entire vaping community because of their ignorance and disregard for safety. Its these idiots who make the news headlines and places vaping in a bad light.
My twenty-something nephew is a reasonably intelligent human being who vapes, a cloud chaser. He watches You Tube videos on vaping, but he hasn't to the best of my knowledge taken my suggestion to visit this forum to educate himself on his gear. I mean, he would actually have to do some reading.
He bought a faux hybrid mech online with no center pin because it was cheap ($10) and he wanted to get his first mech mod, not realizing that the atomizer needs to have an extended center pin in order to be used with that mech, until I told him. Unfortunately, I think this is pretty typical of this younger generation.
Thankfully, he only uses regulated mods now.
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"I don't need to know Ohm's suggestion, I have a Smok gx350, and vape octa-coils just fine with my 4 mis-matched Chinese batteries. At least two of them are rated at 160A, and the chip will sort everything out for me."
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