Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[Mailablemage]

Key word there is public. Every child has the right to attend a public school which is funded by the taxpayers, including the parents of the allergic child. It's also a huge liability for the school if a child dies there because of something a policy could have prevented. I agree with you about the woman and tree but a public school is a different matter entirely. I know of a lot of private schools also that don't allow peanuts because of liability issues.

Seriously, the right to eat peanut butter outweighs the risk of death to an allergic kid? I don't understand that mentality, I really don't.

For a long time when i was a kid we were dirt poor. Often times the only food in our kitchen was ramen and peanut butter and bread.

In amy case its matter of principal to me. Why should i have to cater to the needs of someone else? Its not my responsibility no matter how much of a risk it is for the other person.

 

[Coelli]

For a long time when i was a kid we were dirt poor. Often times the only food in our kitchen was ramen and peanut butter and bread.

In amy case its matter of principal to me. Why should i have to cater to the needs of someone else? Its not my responsibility no matter how much of a risk it is for the other person.

Oh, I dunno, I guess some people would just consider it as having some respect for other people's safety and wellbeing. Guess that's just me though.

 

[sdennislee]

Off topic, but someone brought it up and for me it's a scary topic.

The EMT in me has to say this: If your child has allergies, have you told the school, does the school have a school nurse, does the school have access to dpi-pens, does your child know how to use their auto injector?????????

Some states have recently passed laws requiring schools to maintain epinephrine auto injectors. Not all schools have the funds. If your school district can't afford eli-pens check out this link EpiPen® (epinephrine) and EpiPen Jr® (epinephrine) Auto-Injectors

Epinephrine is the only first line defense for anaphylaxis (anaphylactic shock).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

 

[Mailablemage]

Oh, I dunno, I guess some people would just consider it as having some respect for other people's safety and wellbeing. Guess that's just me though.

I understand that his nut allergy is unfortunate, however it should be up to his parents and the school to make sure he is safe without disrupting the diet of another or several hundred children. Peanut butter on door handles? Latex gloves. Peanut butter in the cafeteria? Have him eat in a classroom. I get that its not rue safest for him, but he should get used to lookin out for his own well being and not expecting the rest of the world to alter for his safety

 

[Mailablemage]

Off topic, but someone brought it up and for me it's a scary topic.

The EMT in me has to say this: If your child has allergies, have you told the school, does the school have a school nurse, does the school have access to dpi-pens, does your child know how to use their auto injector?????????

Some states have recently passed laws requiring schools to maintain epinephrine auto injectors. Not all schools have the funds. If your school district can't afford eli-pens check out this link EpiPen® (epinephrine) and EpiPen Jr® (epinephrine) Auto-Injectors

Epinephrine is the only first line defense for anaphylaxis (anaphylactic shock).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

I remember a few incidents at school where kids had asthma attacks because the school wouldn't allow them to carry their inhalers. I always found this stupid and dangerous and i hope kids who need them in case of emergency would be allowed to carry heir epi pens and inhalers

 

[Coelli]

I remember a few incidents at school where kids had asthma attacks because the school wouldn't allow them to carry their inhalers. I always found this stupid and dangerous and i hope kids who need them in case of emergency would be allowed to carry heir epi pens and inhalers

My daughter has asthma and her inhaler is supposed to be kept in the nurse's office. Once we felt she was old enough to carry it in her bag and not lose it we started letting her do so (she was around 9 or 10). She uses it before/after PE but no one has ever said anything. Exercise and cigarette smoke are really her only triggers, thankfully!

 

[Coelli]

Off topic, but someone brought it up and for me it's a scary topic.

The EMT in me has to say this: If your child has allergies, have you told the school, does the school have a school nurse, does the school have access to dpi-pens, does your child know how to use their auto injector?????????

Some states have recently passed laws requiring schools to maintain epinephrine auto injectors. Not all schools have the funds. If your school district can't afford eli-pens check out this link EpiPen® (epinephrine) and EpiPen Jr® (epinephrine) Auto-Injectors

Epinephrine is the only first line defense for anaphylaxis (anaphylactic shock).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Off-topic but very useful, glad you posted it.

 

[Mailablemage]

My daughter has asthma and her inhaler is supposed to be kept in the nurse's office. Once we felt she was old enough to carry it in her bag and not lose it we started letting her do so (she was around 9 or 10). She uses it before/after PE but no one has ever said anything. Exercise and cigarette smoke are really her only triggers, thankfully!

Im glad her school allows her to do that, the middle school i went to would expel you for carrying an inhaler. Some yuppy reason about recreational use and the possibility of the kid selling hits and blah blah. Going to school in inner city socal was a pain

 

[Myk]

Key word there is public. Every child has the right to attend a public school which is funded by the taxpayers, including the parents of the allergic child. It's also a huge liability for the school if a child dies there because of something a policy could have prevented. I agree with you about the woman and tree but a public school is a different matter entirely. I know of a lot of private schools also that don't allow peanuts because of liability issues.

Seriously, the right to eat peanut butter outweighs the risk of death to an allergic kid? I don't understand that mentality, I really don't.

LOL, no, they really don't.
My sister called the ACLU with the thought that kids have a right to a public education and she was shot down.

Can you find me where there is anything about education in the Constitution. If anything public education is the infringement on rights.
I pay about $2000 a year for other people who irresponsibly had kids they couldn't afford to send to school without stealing from me to do so. I'm responsible so I get screwed.

Private school is a different story. If the parents clear it with the private school that they will be peanut free that's a business deal.
But to expect taxpayers to go to extra trouble and expense because of one kid is ridiculous.

 

[Racehorse]

So, if someone with private property had signs that said no vaping, and this applied to their outdoors, would you not vape there?

All this in response to my point of "if some place disallows vaping, then it behooves vaper to ask why."

You have no "rights" to stand around on anyone's private property in the first place, unless you have business there, i.e. friend or customer, etc.

You walk onto property that isn't yours, and you have no business there, and decide to do whatever you want, outside or inside, it is the owner of the property who will be doing the "questioning", not you.

 

[Anjaffm]

You have no "rights" to stand around on anyone's private property in the first place, unless you have business there, i.e. friend or customer, etc.

But the government has the right to tell owners of private property what - perfectly legal - activity may be done on their own property?
How does that fit with your assertion about the guy who bought the 20 acres and barn and is the only one who can say what is / is not to be done on their own private property?

How about the rights of a person who bought a condominium? With money that he has worked for and paid taxes on? And then the government comes and says "I, the government, will now tell you what - perfectly legal - activity you can and cannot engage in on your own property".

Something is not right here. Not right at all.

 

[LDS714]

And if a kid has a PBJ for breakfast and touches the same bathroom door?
Perhaps it's the kid's parents responsibility to take care of matters even if it means their kid doesn't get to go to a public school.

You remind me of a story I heard (I think here) of a lady buying a house next to a neighbor's tree she allegedly couldn't live next to and demanded it be cut down. Screw that. People are responsible for themselves and if they can't be in the general public they shouldn't expect the general public to change for them.
If you're deathly allergic to food flavorings or PG you've got bigger things to worry about in public than ecig vapor.

Close to one of my pet peeves. People buy houses in new developments close to race tracks that were out in the middle of nowhere, then complain about the noise and petition for the tracks to be shut down.

When I was a kid, we never heard about peanut allergies. Has there been a drastic rise in them or something?

 

[zoiDman]

I think the reason he is doing this is the exact same reason he posted the thread explaining why he does it - attention. Look dude, yes, you can do it with next to no chance of causing a fire, but for the sake of 15 minutes I just don't know why the hell you would do this. It gives us other responsible vapors a bad name. There is a difference between rights and responsibilities. Yes, you "can" do it, but you run the risk of freaking people out. E-Cig's are still new, the whole reason you posted this is because you know there is something "strange" about it. It's similar to people who go out on "Open Carry Pick Ups" where US citizens open carry there guns in numbers simply because they can, what they don't see is what is really happening, a bunch of concerned people worried about a group of individuals walking around with guns out in the open. Multiple calls to 911, taking up the Police's time for what? Nothing other than to boost the ego of the people responsible (or should I say, irresponsible).

Do what makes you happy, vape inside a Church if you want, go and vape in a museum or the local playground. You have the right to! Why not exercise it? It's this sort of mentality that drives me insane. I know I should mind my own business but when it's posted on an open forum for the input of it's members I'm going to speak my mind {MODERATED} . Gas Stations are exactly that, places where there is highly flammable material being transferred into motor vehicles. There is a reason for the "No Smoking" signs plastered literally everywhere and here in Australia there are even signs requesting people to switch their phones off. Why? Because the risks outweigh the benefits. Using a mobile phone outweighs the benefits when filling up with gas.

The fact that we vape instead of smoke is generally because we are aware of the risks associated with tobacco smoking. We should do our thing because we are responsible people, not because we can get away with it anywhere.

I don't know about the US, I spend a great deal of time there because of my job but I live in Australia. There must be a cultural difference here, I would never dream of vaping in or around a gas station. For the 15 minutes I'm prepared to put other people first, not because I know there is .000009% chance of something happening, but because I'm being courteous and respectful to the people around me who probably don't realise that the vapor coming out of my mouth isn't smoke.

You can do what you want, like I said. But you asked for the forum's opinion and here's one.

It Does Give us All a Bad Name.

 

[Jay-dub]

The problem is vapers who've been brainwashed as smokers to believe everything they've been told and they continue to believe it instead of thinking for themselves.
Instead of a united front we have vapers agreeing with those against us and blaming our own.

Maybe I need to find a new way to interpret what you're saying. It seems like you start out blaming vapists, then end by blaming vapists. In between, you're basically calling them sheep. How's that working?

 

[Jman8]

You have no "rights" to stand around on anyone's private property in the first place, unless you have business there, i.e. friend or customer, etc.

You walk onto property that isn't yours, and you have no business there, and decide to do whatever you want, outside or inside, it is the owner of the property who will be doing the "questioning", not you.

So, then what does your point about private property have to do with the discussion and points I was bringing to the table?

On this thread we are discussing where people go in public.

We are also discussing "Why Peanut Butter Eaters are getting a BAD NAME"

 

[Anjaffm]

I find this whole "bad name" thing quite interesting.

If an X does Y, it gives all X's a bad name.

aha.

Now let us try to fill in a few words for "X".

1. How about
men, women, children, teenagers, parents?

2. Or - to take this a little further - why not try
blacks, Hispanics, immigrants, poor people or - an often mentioned word nowadays - homosexuals?

Do try it out, dears.

If you use the words under 1. , chances are that people will shake their heads and say "Gosh, you are being silly!"
"If a child laughs loud in public, it will give all children a bad name"
Hm.....

If, however, you use the words under 2. - minorities or perceived minorities - chances are that you will not get very far with such a statement, or make many friends when making such a claim.
(No, I will not write down an example with any of the words under 2. Try it out yourselves, please. In your heads. )

Why then is the word "vapers" different from the words above, in the minds of some people?
And especially in the minds of some people who make such claims in a vapers forum?
Pray tell

 

[sonicdsl]

 

[Racehorse]

But the government has the right to tell owners of private property what - perfectly legal - activity may be done on their own property?

Of course not. Who said that?

So, are you saying that because the government oversteps it's boundaries on private property, that that gives Jman the right to do so too?

And by not granting Jman access to my property to "do whatever he wants there" that I am somehow agreeing with the government overstepping it's boundaries?

From an ethical standpoint, it seems odd that someone would practice the very behavior they say they abhor, i.e. either a person respects the idea of private property, or they don't. And behaves accordingly.

How does that fit with your assertion about the guy who bought the 20 acres and barn and is the only one who can say what is / is not to be done on their own private property?

It fits perfectly.

How about the rights of a person who bought a condominium? With money that he has worked for and paid taxes on? And then the government comes and says "I, the government, will now tell you what - perfectly legal - activity you can and cannot engage in on your own property".

100% support their private property rights. And, you will not find any post by me, anywhere on this forum, that says otherwise.

So let me say it clearly to get it out of the way: The government has no right to telll people what they can and can't do on their own private property.

But, either does Jman.

And that was the point of my post to him.

 

[Uma]

Close to one of my pet peeves. People buy houses in new developments close to race tracks that were out in the middle of nowhere, then complain about the noise and petition for the tracks to be shut down.

When I was a kid, we never heard about peanut allergies. Has there been a drastic rise in them or something?

I know right. City folk do the same thing to country folk. Stay in the city if you can't stand the sound of a rooster crowing, smell of a cow farting, or have intolerance to dust from the rodeo arena. It's unbelievable out there.

The peanut butter allergy has many theories, from vaccines to soil.
Peanut oil in vaccines behind widespread peanut allergy epidemic

The Hidden Truth About Peanuts: From Food Allergies to Farm Practices | Inspired Bites

 

[CalamityJess]

I know right. City folk do the same thing to country folk. Stay in the city if you can't stand the sound of a rooster crowing, smell of a cow farting, or have intolerance to dust from the rodeo arena. It's unbelievable out there.

The peanut butter allergy has many theories, from vaccines to soil.
Peanut oil in vaccines behind widespread peanut allergy epidemic

The Hidden Truth About Peanuts: From Food Allergies to Farm Practices | Inspired Bites

No science behind this, just some Mom logic. But Doctors want kids on bottle or breast longer and longer, which means they aren't exposed to different oils, foods, and preservatives etc until they're almost toddlers some even longer. I was on cut up table food by 6 months (baby foods and cereal months before that), and against doctor's orders so were my own kids. My friends with younger kids seem to have kids with more widespread allergies, and worse allergies than I have seen among people with kids raised the same time as my own. The longer you go without exposure to something the better chance of an allergic reaction. My sister in law never allowed animals around her kids. Guess who has 4 kids allergic to cats and dogs by the time they were old enough to hang out at friends houses?