e-liquid vapor is simply water vapor? Wow, that's news to me...![]()
It helps to know who you are talking to if you quote them.
If you are meaning the "50% water vapor", how do you transform that into "simply water vapor"?
e-liquid vapor is simply water vapor? Wow, that's news to me...![]()
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The most complete result showed, approximately:
66% water
13% alcohol
3% PG
1.4% nicotine
...and around 17% not accounted for.
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It helps to know who you are talking to if you quote them.
If you are meaning the "50% water vapor", how do you transform that into "simply water vapor"?
Oh.. here is another worry for the easily offended: being around people who vape and exhale water vapor can mess up your hairdo!
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...9160-analysis-electronic-cigarette-vapor.html
Did they ever Figure out what the Remaining 17% Was?
I don't know...
IMO, it is no different than if government official sets policy to not allow vaping on the premises. What is the reasoning behind the policy?
I've also said that even if it is banned indoors, I am still going to vape there openly and respectfully and not get caught.
You'd be hard pressed to find a post that I've written that says to respect (aka roll over) on a business owner's decision to not allow vaping in their place.
And I think that ought to be questioned as to why that policy is in place.
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to inhale, nicotine and pg are well-studied and gras in a wide dose range that covers us. Fda-approved inhalers.
To eat, nic, pg, flavorings and vg.
To inhale second-hand, all 4. All 4 are in foods we cook. In kitchen and restaurant air.
To eat vegetables is to get a lot more nicotine than you can get from second-hand vape. That's because nic uptake from 2nd-hand vape has been studied and it's 0. Exhaled nicotine from ecigs has been studied and it's way below the nic dose in 2 oz of potatoes. Nic is not a persistent poison anyway, it's a short-term stimulant like caffeine, so fearing that you'll get nic from someone else's vape is absurd for anybody who isn't avoiding all nightshades in their diet.
I'm aware that first-hand is totally different, but the 'danger to others' argument is based on second hand. And those dosages are approved for first-hand inhaling in fda-approved nicotine inhalers, but i assume they do not recommend them for pregnant women. And the doses are still smaller than what you get from cigarettes.
Like i said, bottom line, fears that we don't know what we are doing wrt second-hand are absolute nonsense. First-hand, it is absurd worry that smoking might be safer than vaping.
This is not something we are assuming because we haven't seen harm. It's because it's all well-understood, measured, studied, and there's nothing new here. Not like a new treatment, new chemical, new drug, new plastic, new pesticide, etc etc.
Like i said, restaurant air is not harmless, but neither is it banned...in restaurants. There are places where it is banned, and i fully support forbidding vaping in places where it is forbidden to get any food or beverage vapor into the air. My friends who have to be careful what restaurants they go into should not be afraid to take their kids to the library. Or expect to vape in an operating room or ice-making facility or a number of other designated "clean" areas.
Obviously, you don't own anything, and do not understand much about the rights of private property. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Where I live, if somebody posts signs on their property (no tresspassing, or no hunting) and you defy those signs by doing something without their permission, it is a violation of tresspassing laws. We call the Sheriff. (Of course, if they're a no nonsense bunch, they don't call the Sheriff, they just pick you up and throw you out into the road from where you came.![]()
In America, people work hard to own things. Unfortunately, there will always be people who pervasively disregard that which lawfully belongs to others.
If somebody bought 20 acres and a house and barn, and they don't want trespassing or hunting there, they owe you no explanation.
If you don't like it, work hard and buy your own private property. Simple.
The last sentence, is debatable. The liberals want the right to impose upon private property, in the name of the common good. In the northwest, it's for a trail that connects all open space lands together, & they have to go through private property in order to do it. The GPU fights are very entertaining to say the least. There are places you can't collect rain water, grow vegetables, growing organic food or natural fed animals, be off grid with solar panels, all in the name of making sure nobody is self sufficient so that everybody relies on the gov. Socialism I believe is the term for that. So, even a private property owner really isn't a private property owner anymore in this day and age. What works for the goose, must also work for the gander.
How about we don't turn this into a political thread?
The last sentence, is debatable. The liberals want the right to impose upon private property, in the name of the common good. In the northwest, it's for a trail that connects all open space lands together, & they have to go through private property in order to do it. The GPU fights are very entertaining to say the least. There are places you can't collect rain water, grow vegetables, growing organic food or natural fed animals, be off grid with solar panels, all in the name of making sure nobody is self sufficient so that everybody relies on the gov. Socialism I believe is the term for that. So, even a private property owner really isn't a private property owner anymore in this day and age. What works for the goose, must also work for the gander.
Obviously, you don't own anything, and do not understand much about the rights of private property. Have you been living under a rock or something?
Where I live, if somebody posts signs on their property (no tresspassing, or no hunting) and you defy those signs by doing something without their permission, it is a violation of tresspassing laws. We call the Sheriff. (Of course, if they're a no nonsense bunch, they don't call the Sheriff, they just pick you up and throw you out into the road from where you came.![]()
In America, people work hard to own things. Unfortunately, there will always be people who pervasively disregard that which lawfully belongs to others.
If somebody bought 20 acres and a house and barn, and they don't want trespassing or hunting there, they owe you no explanation.
If you don't like it, work hard and buy your own private property. Simple.
Just want to pipe in that peanut allergies are serious business and can be fatal. If you know someone in the school has a peanut allergy, in my opinion you DO have a responsibility to try to help them not die. Asking the student body to not bring something to school that can kill another student doesn't seem unreasonable.
Welcome to America! Drinking and driving is illegal - bars have parking lots. Immigrants have to know more, to prove themselves worthy of citizenship, than actual citizens know about this country. We imprison more of our own citizens than China and we spend more on military funding than the next ten countries combined - but welfare is too much of a burden on the state. Killing foreigners takes priority over feeding our own. God Bless the USA!
Actually it is. The many should noy have to cater to the few, they should have just had him rat in a classroom if it was that much of a problem. However i would like to note that it all worked out in the end, a friend of mine introduced me to sunflower seed bitter later that year SO GOOD
Not that simple - we're veering way off topic here but if a kid eats peanut butter, doesn't wash his hands, then opens a bathroom door and the allergic kid grabs the handle after, it could cause a reaction. Lots of examples of that - drinking fountains, etc. If you allow the whole school to bring peanut butter the risk increases proportionally because let's face it, kids aren't that clean. When it comes to life and death matters I'd think a kid's right to go to school without fear of dying outweighs someone's craving for peanut butter. For them it's a minor inconvenience, for the kid it's their life. Peanut allergies are much more common now than they used to be (no one knows why yet).
Almond butter is awesome too.![]()
And if a kid has a PBJ for breakfast and touches the same bathroom door?
Perhaps it's the kid's parents responsibility to take care of matters even if it means their kid doesn't get to go to a public school.
You remind me of a story I heard (I think here) of a lady buying a house next to a neighbor's tree she allegedly couldn't live next to and demanded it be cut down. Screw that. People are responsible for themselves and if they can't be in the general public they shouldn't expect the general public to change for them.
If you're deathly allergic to food flavorings or PG you've got bigger things to worry about in public than ecig vapor.
And if a kid has a PBJ for breakfast and touches the same bathroom door?
Perhaps it's the kid's parents responsibility to take care of matters even if it means their kid doesn't get to go to a public school.