Will Vaping Overtake Smoking?

[hcour]

Sure I'm not the first to ask this question, but as a noob, I'm wondering. Myself, I think so, eventually, a way down the road. There's finally a real alternative to smoking, where one can quit w/none, or little, or much less, of the previous side-effects; something that quickly becomes more than just a substitute, which takes on a life of its own and becomes an experience of and by itself, one with so much more variety and depth than tobacco ever had.

Reading thru the posts in the New Members forum here on ECF it's like some kind of spam wet dream - testimonial after testimonial, for the most part spontaneous and genuine, all raving about two things - quitting and vaping. If someone could find a diet program or exercise program or drug program that worked as well as vaping, which isn't a program but rather an experience, they could make a bigrillion billion dollars in no time.

The rest of the world will catch up in time. Smoking (snicker)! Hello? It's so old-school. We don't have the flying cars yet, but vaping is the Jetson's version of smoking, done with hardware and apps. Hello, Elroy.

 

[Bullette the Cowdog]

Hey Hcor
I think you're right on.
Remember the first cell phones??? They weighed about 10 lbs!! Big as all get out too. Now look at the world. Everyone walking around on the Internet with their smart phones.
Remember the first computers? Holy cow. My first computer had 2...not just 1, but 2...10 MB hard drives. It weighed a ton & cost $3,750.00 with NO modem I might add.
Man, we are just at the genesis of the nicotine revolution. Batteries will get smaller & more efficient. Nic delivery systems are already improving at lightening speed. 10 years from now we will look back on these days with awe that we were able to switch using these fidley contraptions.
Vape on.

 

[steved5600]

The Fist PC I used didn't even have a hard drive. Just two single sided single density floppy drives. LOL. Doesn't take long for a technology to do a quantum leap. I think we will see a big paradigm shift in my lifetime. I'm old too. LOL As long as we can keep the big Pharm's, Tobacco concerns and the damn government from destroying it or taxing it into extinction.

 

[SuziesMom]

The first PC I used had nothing in the way of storage....if you were rich you could get it to save to a cassette tape and if you wanted to actually do something you had to code it yourself, and pray your Mom didn't turn it off. A Mac plus with a 30 mb external hard drive was a Cadillac- you could run Photoshop with it!

I'm not sure it will overtake smoking for a long while- it's a nice hope, but I don't see it happening real soon.

 

[LucentShadow]

IMO, yes, if they are not made less appealing by stupid legislation. But not in all markets. Cigarettes would continue to be much cheaper and more available in many places, I'd imagine.

 

[samwest]

Gosh I hope so! Analogs stink to high heaven! I too now worry about second hand smoke and smirk when I see burn holes in others car seats. Question: What if nobody smoked analogs anymore? Would health care and insurance premiums drop (probably not)? Good topic OP!

 

[DC2]

Yes, vaping will most definitely overtake smoking in time.
And it may not take as long as you might expect.

Unless.......

Unless the FDA crushes vaping by applying Chapter IX of the FSPTCA to electronic cigarettes.
If they do that, without also specifying specific exclusions for electronic cigarettes, it could be devastating.

And they have already indicated that they intend to apply Chapter IX to currently unregulated tobacco products.
And they have given no indication that they have any intention of special treatment for electronic cigarettes.

In fact, their current goal with respect to electronic cigarettes appears quite clear.
They want to eliminate them any way they can.

If this post brings makes you want to ask more questions, please feel free.
There is a ton of information behind what I've said above, all of which can be easily provided.

Just remember that we are NOT powerless.
But we have to be wary.

 

[monkeybusiness]

I do, but it will be taxed, then taxed again, and taxed some more for good measure.

It will be taxed to the point where a 10ml bottle will cost $50.

You will also be severely limited on how much you can import.

 

[tnt56]

Ok thank you all for reminding me of how old I really am. I started with DOS and GWBasic. As for the OP I pray that someday it will replace analogs. And every one will then think that that's the wrong thing to do. Look at what the liberals have done so far. (That's as far as i care to go with that subject). I'm in a good mood and don't want to lose it thinking about all the people out there that think they know better than I do as to what to do. Change my food, change my drinks, change everything.. Here's an idea how about not worring about us and help the ones that are starving in our own country. I'm done now. Thank you.

 

[steved5600]

Ok thank you all for reminding me of how old I really am. I started with DOS and GWBasic. As for the OP I pray that someday it will replace analogs. And every one will then think that that's the wrong thing to do. Look at what the liberals have done so far. (That's as far as i care to go with that subject). I'm in a good mood and don't want to lose it thinking about all the people out there that think they know better than I do as to what to do. Change my food, change my drinks, change everything.. Here's an idea how about not worring about us and help the ones that are starving in our own country. I'm done now. Thank you.

I will see your DOS and Raise you B-DOS and R-DOS which I think were beta's not sure and those were bootlegged. LOL GOD GW BASIC. Gives me the shivers. LOL The PC was rack mounted.
Do you remember Bulletin Boards as apposed to web sites? LOL

OFF TOPIC ALERT.

 

[Aoi~]

OP summed it up nicely, I always thought that vaping was smoking, perfected. I can choose how much nicotine, I want, in the flavor that I want, without everything else that comes with smoking cigarettes (the smell, the social stigma, the second class citizen treatment you receive from others just because you smoke). I didn't include health reasons because, really, vaping is still a relatively new technology. The ingredients maybe generally recognized as safe, but we'll find out later, if there are, if any, long term side-effect.

 

[RPadTV]

I think it will be a long, long time before that happens. Let's look at America for one example. The tobacco companies have too much lobbying money and will fight to keep down vaping away from the mainstream as long as possible. On the extreme side, look at Thailand. The tobacco companies there have basically paid the government to ban e-cigs. Though to be fair, there are many things in Thailand that are illegal but not enforced.

In both cases, money will prevent e-cigs, e-liquids, etc. from being as accessible as regular cigarettes for a long time.

 

[ShogaNinja]

Let's reference some facts here. Nothing changes quickly. It took centuries for people to become addicted to tobacco, and it will take them centuries to become addicted to something else in its place. Don't fool yourself -vaping is just addiction swapping. Like other instances of this fact (which I cannot mention on ECF) you do, in fact live longer but, it's just a swap. I recommend to all vapers that they seriously try in earnest to quit vaping too eventually and become normal, non-addicted, people again. You had to learn to smoke. You had to learn to vape. Now for you to learn how to un-vape takes time.

Will the world become vapers and not smokers? Not any time soon.

Don't believe me? Go up to a smoker, talk to them about vaping - tell them your story. At the end of it ask them if they'd like to try your e-cig (keep an extra tank/drip tip in your pocket in case they have a herpie (and do go home and use alcohol to sterilize your gear if they accept)). Chances are, they will tell you "no thanks" and you will step off. Another one bites the dust.

In short, to answer the OP's question, the answer is: not any time soon. The roots of smoking run deep. Despite the fact that almost all smokers, from all walks of life, have one thing in common: they all want to quit at some point. It is meaningless. With their lives in their hands they'd rather choose death than a safer alternative. Do not try to explain, define, or understand it. Addiction is such a thing that takes a college education to even (kind of) understand. If you don't believe that get your hands on some Celebrity Rehab. Notice that, despite the addictions that they have come to be treated for, the facility doesn't even BEGIN to touch upon nicotine; the most addictive substance in the world.

'nuff said.

Be glad that you are one of blessed few who pioneers a new way to fuel your addiction. I hope you are also one of the few who eventually says "NO!" and finds a way out of this mess you have made for yourself.

 

[Racehorse]

Look at what the liberals have done so far.

I wonder just how many so-called liberals have actually invited upmteen members to this forum, introduced people to vaping, gotten even complete strangers off cigarettes by helping them, given away free stuff in Treasure Chest, and blah blah blah

Ditto insert word Conservatives.

This is why "labels" and "name-calling" don't work...........and are offensive to anyone who is not a rock or something.

When I first got on here, it was a liberal who gave me their phone number, and who I called and who spent 1 hour on the phone with me while I sorted out my very first vape. Great kindness, and I will always be grateful to this person!

So yeah, look at what those liberals have done.........


As for vaping taking over, yeah, I think it will. I run into 2 kinds of people........those who are so defensive about smoking that they just tune me out ......I've offered to lend my backups to people and they turn me down flat w/out even trying. They are either in denial, or just stubborn, or are not READY yet. People have to be ready for self improvement.....it's a challenge.......so I patiently respect their turn-down.

the 2nd kind of person literally jumps at the opportunity......I helped 3 waitresses in my hotel restaurant this weekend learn about, and order vaping supplies LOL

 

[Racehorse]

Do you remember Bulletin Boards as apposed to web sites? LOL

OFF TOPIC ALERT.

oh yeah.

I remember having to write autoexec.bat and config.sys files just to install and use a simple CD ROM or sound card. Do not miss those days. (I was on the earliest prodigy BB computer help center every night, writing files for newbies.....1/2 the people who volunteered their time worked for texas instruments and other sectors of the telecom corridor, most of which companies barely exist anymore.)

 

[DC2]

Chances are, they will tell you "no thanks" and you will step off.

I doubt many people here would agree that this has been their experience.

Despite the fact that almost all smokers, from all walks of life, have one thing in common: they all want to quit at some point.

Only because they didn't want to die prematurely.
Remove that as a concern and very few of them wanted to quit.

nicotine; the most addictive substance in the world.

That's highly debatable, and almost certainly incorrect as far as I can tell.
Smoking, yes. Nicotine, not so much.

 

[gumchewer]

IMO, yes, if they are not made less appealing by stupid legislation. But not in all markets. Cigarettes would continue to be much cheaper and more available in many places, I'd imagine.

I think this comment is head of the nail. The cigarette lobbyists are going to want taxes dropped and the price to come down (on cigs) to avoid they're own demise. But wait, the feds, give up a cash cow????
they will be giving cigs away, or have to jump on the bandwagon of e-cigs just to stay alive.The last thing they want to see is the doors of a factory closed. I believe the battle will be long and interesting. They haven't really noticed us yet. They are still in denial.

 

[CommaHolly]

I wonder just how many so-called liberals have actually invited upmteen members to this forum, introduced people to vaping, gotten even complete strangers off cigarettes by helping them, given away free stuff in Treasure Chest, and blah blah blah

Ditto insert word Conservatives.

This is why "labels" and "name-calling" don't work...........and are offensive to anyone who is not a rock or something.

When I first got on here, it was a liberal who gave me their phone number, and who I called and who spent 1 hour on the phone with me while I sorted out my very first vape. Great kindness, and I will always be grateful to this person!

So yeah, look at what those liberals have done.........


As for vaping taking over, yeah, I think it will. I run into 2 kinds of people........those who are so defensive about smoking that they just tune me out ......I've offered to lend my backups to people and they turn me down flat w/out even trying. They are either in denial, or just stubborn, or are not READY yet. People have to be ready for self improvement.....it's a challenge.......so I patiently respect their turn-down.

the 2nd kind of person literally jumps at the opportunity......I helped 3 waitresses in my hotel restaurant this weekend learn about, and order vaping supplies LOL

Amen. As a liberal,,,,,I thank you. And I don't think politics has any business here,,,,,,,,let's face it,,,,,,,pretty much ALL we have in common here is vaping,,,,,,we are different religions, different political bents, have different hobbies (besides vaping), different backgrounds and different EVERYTHING,,,,,,except vaping.

but I thank you for sticking up for liberals,,,,,,,,,we are nice people too

 

[Black Strat]

I think vaping will replace smoking at some point in the future, but one thing is a fact, and that is that vaping will have to be taxed at least the equivalent of cigarettes because the governments will NOT easily give up the money stream that cigarettes produce.

In the end it is ALWAYS about the tax revenue stream. Not our health.

 

[BuGlen]

On the OP topic, yes, I do think that vaping will overtake cigarettes in some key markets in a relatively short period of time. More and more studies on harm reduction and public health concerns of 2nd hand vapor are coming out, which will eventually help change public opinion about vaping and vapers. With controlled and verified studies, and continued growing support from the medical field, I believe we should see a significant shift toward harm reduction products in the years ahead.

However, there are emerging markets in 3rd world countries where BT is getting young people (very young in some places) addicted to their products, so there will always be a market for burning tobacco products somewhere in the world. Also, BT is beginning to make moves into the e-cig market to diversify their product line to help stabilize their losses as people make the change. I have a hard time thinking that BT will make a huge shift into this market unless/until they find a way to control it and maximize their profits. This is not a conspiracy theory, it's just what's become standard business practice for large companies in modern times.

As for the political aspects, I'm not going to touch that topic. There's a great many debates in the forum on this topic (many in the OUTSIDE sub-forum), where you can passionately state your progressive or conservative views.

Finally, as for the somewhat off topic subject of technology advances, I started using computers on an Apple IIc in High School and was introduced to IBM style computers with my first Packard Bell 386SX after I graduated. The computer came with MS DOS 3.2 installed and a coupon for a free 4.0 upgrade once it was released. At that time, graphical interface OS systems were for the "non-elite" and those of us geeks "in the know" would never stray too far from the command line interface. As for the old BBSes, they were much more community oriented because you didn't want to dial long distance for an hour to play your Trade Wars, Barron Realms Elite, or Legend of the Red Dragon sessions at long distance rates. We would even organize BBS events with users for picnics and other family oriented social gatherings, much like here on ECF.

It was a good time in the '80s and '90s to be involved in the evolution of digital communications, and it is now a good time in the evolution of vaping to be involved in this community.