Correct but they can handle the builds the OP requested. 20r has the lowest internal resistance on the market iirc. All the batteries I listed can with ease.
with vtc5s harder to Come by, What is the BEST, SAFEST choice for subohming
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Correct but they can handle the builds the OP requested. 20r has the lowest internal resistance on the market iirc. All the batteries I listed can with ease.
If it were me, I would look around for Sony vtc4's. I have a hand full and I haven't ever had any problems with them.
BUT.... the .1 ohm build.... NO WAY!! Not on any battery. That's 42 amps. Nope.. not gonna do it. Neither should you
BUT.... the .1 ohm build.... NO WAY!! Not on any battery. That's 42 amps. Nope.. not gonna do it. Neither should you
Yeah what he said!If it were me, I would look around for Sony vtc4's. I have a hand full and I haven't ever had any problems with them.
BUT.... the .1 ohm build.... NO WAY!! Not on any battery. That's 42 amps. Nope.. not gonna do it. Neither should you
*vapes on 60a build*
.2 and .1 is pretty low! At the moment the VTC5 is the best choice for low ohm builds. They are hard to find right now
Here's a link XTAR 18650 2600mAh 30A VTC5 Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery - Flat Top
I would seriously consider doing the math on your builds before trying .2 and .1 builds, and stay with in a safe range for your batteries capability. like 20% less than the continuous amp rating
Wow, that's a great price! Do they hold up to the Sony VTC5s?
None of those batteries can handle the .1 or .2 the OP mentioned safely.
.2 = 21a
.1 = 42a
Samsung 20r manufacturer rated CRD 20a, independently tested 22a cdr,
Samsung 24r manufacture rated 25a CDR, independent tests 22a cdr.
Most agree the two above are the same battery with the 24r having an inflated cdr rating for marketing.
Samsung 25r manufacturer rated CDR 20a, independent tests 20a cdr
LG he2 manufacture rated CDR 20a, independent tests 20a cdr.
Even the highly touted vtc5 will not pass an independent 30 amp CDR test without using a cooling source.
There is no safe way to exceed any battery's CDR, mentioning such on a public forum could be dangerous to others that don't have the experience & necessary accurate equipment to use a build that nears or equals the CDR, much less exceed it.
It is all fun and games till someone gets their eye put out.
Sure they are. There just not 30 amps a AW IMR 1600mAh is safe to but it to is not 30 amps. The OP is talking low ohm builds so the most powerful battery is his best choice
Well, multiple batteries is his best choice ...
.2 and .1 is pretty low! At the moment the VTC5 is the best choice for low ohm builds. They are hard to find right now
Here's a link XTAR 18650 2600mAh 30A VTC5 Rechargeable Li-Ion Battery - Flat Top
I would seriously consider doing the math on your builds before trying .2 and .1 builds, and stay with in a safe range for your batteries capability. like 20% less than the continuous amp rating
From viewing their stock photo IMO these appear to be fakes, Too large of a gap/indentation in the wrap at the top, actual sony spec the gap is quite small / less defined.
I dont feel like starting an argument. I understand this forums point of view, but I disagree with it, which im sure has been clear. Thousands upon thousand of people use the batteries I listed in the range the op wants without issue. In fact id wager the numbers is in the tens of thousands (CCI has over 20k members alone). Im vaping below .1 all day every day. Never a vent. I do not recommend it to anyone just starting, but yes there are batteries that can handle it. All of the ones I listed can, and do.
Only if in parallel ! Otherwise NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DaPopeLP The question isn't "can it be done", the question is "is it safe". And, the answer is NO.
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Your argument isn't with me or anyone other than the battery manufacturer, you know, the folks that actually built, tested and rated their product.
Manufacturers rate batteries on purpose, that purpose is to define the safe operating parameters in which their batteries were designed to be used.
Repeating false / misleading potentially dangerous information just because you and others do it doesn't make your opinions valid, smart or safe.
Folks that exceed a batteries CDR ignore or don't understand the definition of the word safe.
If you chose to ignore factual information provided by the manufacturer and push a battery past its rating that's on you, but, telling someone else it is okay to ignore the manufacturers ratings is irresponsible at best.
Manufacturers rate batteries on purpose, that purpose is to define the safe operating parameters in which their batteries were designed to be used.
Repeating false / misleading potentially dangerous information just because you and others do it doesn't make your opinions valid, smart or safe.
Folks that exceed a batteries CDR ignore or don't understand the definition of the word safe.
If you chose to ignore factual information provided by the manufacturer and push a battery past its rating that's on you, but, telling someone else it is okay to ignore the manufacturers ratings is irresponsible at best.
This post is one large contradiction in terms.
You say you want to be safe, you're really worried about safety in one breath. In the next breath you say you want to build lower than any 18650 battery we currently use can safely go.
Anyways.... the 0.1 was a Maybe.... but 0.2 is safe. I don't ever pull over 3-4 seconds..... so.more of a pulse vaper Anyways. Yea, granted after seeing the 0.1 amp draw, I didn't do the math correctly on that one. But 21 amp pulse on a 20 amp continuous battery doesn't seem all that dangerous to me
Also the CDR at least in Sony VTC cells is rated to just below the over-temperature limit at full rated capacity discharge (meaning just at 2x00mah, it hits 80c/176f). that itself is hot enough to cause burn injuries, but inside a mod it likely exceeds the over-temperature earlier.
I'll keep temperature in mind. Im always mindful and put my mod down when it gets a tiny bit warm as a precaution.
I won't attack anyone for wanting to try a super sub ohm build, but I will mention that there are 50 amp 26650 batteries, and a parallel 18650 box mod can give you an effective 60 amps of headroom with a pair of the right batteries.
Just wanted to throw out the fact that there are safer courses than exceeding the ratings of your batteries, and to mention again that your definition of pulsing doesn't necessarily have any relation to the manufacturer's, they could mean one half second pulse every hour, or a five second pulse every 30 seconds, or anything they want. There is no industry standard. Other than that, you decide how much risk you feel safe with, as with any potentially dangerous persuit.
Just wanted to throw out the fact that there are safer courses than exceeding the ratings of your batteries, and to mention again that your definition of pulsing doesn't necessarily have any relation to the manufacturer's, they could mean one half second pulse every hour, or a five second pulse every 30 seconds, or anything they want. There is no industry standard. Other than that, you decide how much risk you feel safe with, as with any potentially dangerous persuit.
Here's an opinion from a CPF member: Fake Sony VTC5 from Batteryjunction with pics of the cells he got. Note that post is over two weeks old now. Not saying it's conclusive, but it's more than I knew before I read the post.
If I wanted to go up to 20A draw and couldn't get VTC5's today, I would get VTC4's. I never vape above 15A and for that I would get Samsung 25R.
Good luck with it
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