Wocket vs Frenzy - Help Needed

[Poeia]

I’ve come down with a bad case of shinypoditis. I’ve bought a few with mixed results and now I want a rectangular box. I’ve eliminated some for not having replaceable coils (Orion Q & Orchid), lack of adjustable air flow (Trinity Alpha & Orbit TF), and weight (I’d rather it be under 100 grams but will go up to 110 grams for the right vape).

I’ve narrowed it down to the SnowWolf Wocket and the GeekVape Frenzy and need help. I'll go crazy if I spend any more time search ECF and the web for info, trying to decide which is better.

I’m a chain-vaping MTLer, who uses low nic, high-PG liquid. Most of my liquid comes in glass bottles with eye droppers but I’m willing to transfer it to soft plastic bottles if I have to.

Here’s what I think are the winning characteristics of each so far:

Wocket wins:
Weight: Wocket 80 gr vs Frenzy 100 gr
Battery: Wocket 1,150 mAh vs Frenzy 950 mAh
Capacity: Wocket 3.0 ml vs Frenzy 2.0 ml
Fill port: Wocket large & on top (can use eye droppers) vs Frenzy small & under pod
Drip tip: Wocket replaceable vs Frenzy fixed
Instant firing: Wocket has vs Frenzy doesn't
Easy to check status: Wocket has screen vs Frenzy doesn’t
Use while charging: Wocket works as a pass-through vs Frenzy doesn’t

Frenzy wins:
Airflow location: Frenzy accessible without removing pod vs Wocket under pod
Pod connection: Frenzy magnetic vs Wocket friction only
Coils: Frenzy 2 or 3 resistances vs Wocket only 0.7Ω
Coil fit: Frenzy requires twist before removing vs Wocket press-fit only
Wattage settings: Frenzy set it & forget it vs Wocket easy to accidentally change (only locks if fire button also locked)
Pod shape: Frenzy rectangular vs Wocket has a shelf so you have to tilt the device to get all the liquid to the coil
Safety: I know the Frenzy has a 10 second cutoff, temp control & dry hit protection. I couldn’t find the equivalent for the Wocket but I may have missed it


Availability of parts: This is (I hope) temporary. Replacement pods for both are hard to find. Because the Frenzy uses Flint coils, they are available while the Wocket ones are scarce.

Some of the above are important, some are very nitpicky but I still included them. Help me pick one, please!

Thanks in advance.

 

[bombastinator]

Pod availability is the Achilles heel of all pod systems. They’re all proprietary and they all eventually go out of production. This is why the 510 connector beat all the others back in the days of cigalikes. It wasn’t the best connector, but because it wasn’t proprietary you could get parts and weren’t locked in to some corporation’s profitability ecosystem. Now it’s ubiquitous in all non pod systems and is starting to make its way into some pod systems as well. What do you think of the flint btw? It’s a full on 510 system.

 

[dansus]

If you want a tighter MTL, get the Frenzy.

 

[P3ch3]

Pod availability is the Achilles heel of all pod systems. They’re all proprietary and they all eventually go out of production. This is why the 510 connector beat all the others back in the days of cigalikes. It wasn’t the best connector, but because it wasn’t proprietary you could get parts and weren’t locked in to some corporation’s profitability ecosystem. Now it’s ubiquitous in all non pod systems and is starting to make its way into some pod systems as well. What do you think of the flint btw? It’s a full on 510 system.

i dont really see flint as a pod indeed, seems like a mtl pen starter kit, i like the frenzy over the flint for several reasons... mostly because is leakproof, can do temp control or wattage according the coil also the fact that can also take flints coils is amazing....

 

[Poeia]

Pod availability is the Achilles heel of all pod systems. They’re all proprietary and they all eventually go out of production. This is why the 510 connector beat all the others back in the days of cigalikes. It wasn’t the best connector, but because it wasn’t proprietary you could get parts and weren’t locked in to some corporation’s profitability ecosystem. Now it’s ubiquitous in all non pod systems and is starting to make its way into some pod systems as well. What do you think of the flint btw? It’s a full on 510 system.

*goes to look at a Flint*

It's an AIO. I have 3 sizes of Joyetech eGo AIOs -- the original, DS22 XL (love them) and DS22 (don't love). I've been using them & Cubises (they all use the same coil) for about 3 years now. But I can't use any of my mods with an external battery any longer (especially 18650s) because the weight gives me shooting pains in my hand that last a day or more and the Cubis needs a stronger battery than the iStick 30W. (I'm considering digging through my old stuff for some Vivi Novas which would work with the iStick.) The AIOs are so old that many of them don't hold a charge any longer so, rather than replace them with more of the same, I thought I'd try something new.

I like the flatness of pods. I like the weight. I don't like the fill method on most or the tiny batteries. My first vape was a DS801. We were so happy when the technology improved & batteries lasted longer. Now the newcomers seem to be heading back to those. On purpose.

It seemed like the pods for those 2 weren't readily available yet because they're so new. Once they are, I'm okay with stocking up a bit (although I ended up buying the annoying iTap solely because I still have a bunch of GS Air coils).

 

[Figs]

Frenzy all the way, especially if you’re MTL. See my last few post in the Wocket thread, then read my posts in the Frenzy thread. I have both, but my personal experience is the Wocket is just a heartbeat away from my trash can. Again, just my personal experience.

 

[Poeia]

Frenzy all the way, especially if you’re MTL. See my last few post in the Wocket thread, then read my posts in the Frenzy thread. I have both, but my personal experience is the Wocket is just a heartbeat away from my trash can. Again, just my personal experience.

Very good to hear from someone who has both. Thanks.

 

[Vicman]

I have both and use both so will give my comparisons of them.

Vape experience: With the Frenzy it is a true MTL with a tight draw and less vapor production. Very nice for the MTL, not so much if you like clouds. The Wocket is more of a restricted lung hit device. It does a MTL but is a little on the loose side. It provides a thicker vape. Both hit real hard but I had to lower my nic level as 18mg was bothering my throat with the Wocket, 12mg has been working fine, no more burnt throat. Just had to turn the power down on the Frenzy to not burn the back of my throat. With both of these, have to make sure you are not tilting away from the coil. If holding with the coil side up, the coil can run dry so keep that in mind when using.

Build quality I would give to the Frenzy for one reason, the corners are more rounded. The Wocket has slightly rounded edges but I feel the corners in my palm if I grip to tight where I do not get that with the Frenzy.

The Wocket has a nice screen and can be fine tuned with the one watt incremental adjustments it provides. The Frenzy has 3 clicks to adjust to the three different power levels. I would say the Wocket has the edge in user friendliness

Battery life goes to the Wocket. I find the battery life on the Frenzy to be one of its weak points. I get about half the run time with the Frenzy compared to the Wocket. I can vape while charging though.

Flavor is pretty close. I would give the edge to the Wocket but not by much. The Frenzy has pretty good flavor, just seem to get a truer taste out of the Wocket.

Coil Life. I have no idea. I have been using the same coils in the Frenzy since I got it a few weeks ago and same with the Wocket about a week ago. I use about 6-8 different devices throughout the day so I don't really putt the miles on any one pod system so take that into consideration.

Coil Replacement goes to the Frenzy. Getting the pod out is much easier with the Frenzy as a slight tug get the pod out. Whereas, I have to use a lot of pressure to press the side of the pod for it to release in the Wocket. That also goes for air flow as you have to take the pod out to get to the air flow with the Wocket where the Frenzy is simple and at the bottom of the pod.

Filling is so much easier with the Wocket with the top cap fill port. Whereas the Frenzy has two little holes at bottom of the tank. If using a plastic bottle, it is not really a problem but glass driper bottles with rounded tips don't really work, the ones that narrow a bit at the end work fine but have to make sure you press it in firmly. With that said, seeing how filled your tank is goes to the Wocket as well as the dark plastic in the Frenzy makes seeing the fill level difficult most times.

All and all, I like both of them and have been using them regularly since I got them. Just wanted to give some pros and cons to maybe help. Good luck.

 

[drysprocket]

Definitely the Frenzy. And to cure your shinypoditis- get one of the resin cool designs. The carbon fiber ones are just plastic I think, and no texture. I just got a 2nd one that's a resin....sooo nice. Touchy, feely nice too.

 

[Poeia]

Thank you.

While being able to see in the pod would be nice (very nice), I think I read that the Frenzy has dry hit protection. That would lessen the danger of scorching the coil.

I still don't understand DTL. I've tried inhaling while I suck and I just can't do it. So I'll stay MTL but I like a loose draw so I guess my vape style is a hybrid. And I vape 3mg -- just enough to keep me from wanting a cigarette -- so throat hit isn't a factor either.

One thing I like about the idea of pods is having ones filled with all my favorite flavors so I can pop them on and off. I've never figured out coil life (and I tend to keep a coil on until a little after it tastes yucky.)

Other than battery life info, I actually think the screen on the Wocket is more than I need. I don't like fiddling & futzing about. I usually find a setting I like & keep it there for months.

It's beginning to look like the contrast is coming down to:
Filling ease & battery life -- Wocket
MTL, air flow control & lack of complexity -- Frenzy

While a 950 mAh battery isn't wonderful (my AIOs are over 2,000), it's not terrible either which means the MTL is probably the most important for me. The info you've all been giving me is making me lean toward the Frenzy. I'll probably pull the trigger some time this weekend.

I can cope with the filling. I use Alice in Vapeland liquid almost exclusively (amber glass w eye dropper). I've been using a syringe to fill pods so far but I just bought some bottles. I have some unicorns but the tips get destroyed by the 2nd time you pry them off to refill them so I'll just save them for travel.

 

[Poeia]

Definitely the Frenzy. And to cure your shinypoditis- get one of the resin cool designs. The carbon fiber ones are just plastic I think, and no texture. I just got a 2nd one that's a resin....sooo nice. Touchy, feely nice too.

Definitely a pretty color. Probably the "Black Ghost" (aka red) or "Black Magma" (aka orange). I like pretty but I'm also less likely to misplace it. I could lose a black mod while it's still in my hand.

 

[bombastinator]

i dont really see flint as a pod indeed, seems like a mtl pen starter kit, i like the frenzy over the flint for several reasons... mostly because is leakproof, can do temp control or wattage according the coil also the fact that can also take flints coils is amazing....

The pod thing:
I suppose it all depends on what the definition of “pod” is. What it ORIGIONALLY meant was that the coil, the wick, and the tank are all one piece. It being the “pod”. By this definition many origional cigalikes wet “pod” systems. It also means the frenzy isn’t a pod system because it has a replaceable coil. If the frenzy is a pod system all it really means is the connector between the tank and mod is proprietary and the tank is plastic an an unusual shape. I fail to see how either are good things.
The features thing:
Lol! “Leakproof”. Right. Never seen that actually happen. Seen it claimed a lot, but actually happen? Not so much. “Leak resistant” I might believe. The question is between the two which is more prone to leaking. Smells like “the frenzy has more aggressive marketing” to me. The temp control thing I would buy though. Temp control is a bonus.

What you like is what you like though.

 

[bombastinator]

*goes to look at a Flint*

It's an AIO. I have 3 sizes of Joyetech eGo AIOs -- the original, DS22 XL (love them) and DS22 (don't love). I've been using them & Cubises (they all use the same coil) for about 3 years now. But I can't use any of my mods with an external battery any longer (especially 18650s) because the weight gives me shooting pains in my hand that last a day or more and the Cubis needs a stronger battery than the iStick 30W. (I'm considering digging through my old stuff for some Vivi Novas which would work with the iStick.) The AIOs are so old that many of them don't hold a charge any longer so, rather than replace them with more of the same, I thought I'd try something new.

I like the flatness of pods. I like the weight. I don't like the fill method on most or the tiny batteries. My first vape was a DS801. We were so happy when the technology improved & batteries lasted longer. Now the newcomers seem to be heading back to those. On purpose.

It seemed like the pods for those 2 weren't readily available yet because they're so new. Once they are, I'm okay with stocking up a bit (although I ended up buying the annoying iTap solely because I still have a bunch of GS Air coils).

Apparently it’s not actually an AIO even though it’s marketed that way. The tank and battery connect via a 510. You can put the flint tank on any 510 battery or any 510 tank on the flint battery. An AIO would have no connector between the tank and battery at all. Definitions and semantics.

 

[Poeia]

The pod thing:
I suppose it all depends on what the definition of “pod” is. What it ORIGIONALLY meant was that the coil, the wick, and the tank are all one piece. It being the “pod”. By this definition many origional cigalikes wet “pod” systems. It also means the frenzy isn’t a pod system because it has a replaceable coil. If the frenzy is a pod system all it really means is the connector between the tank and mod is proprietary and the tank is plastic an an unusual shape. I fail to see how either are good things.
The features thing:
Lol! “Leakproof”. Right. Never seen that actually happen. Seen it claimed a lot, but actually happen? Not so much. “Leak resistant” I might believe. The question is between the two which is more prone to leaking. Smells like “the frenzy has more aggressive marketing” to me. The temp control thing I would buy though. Temp control is a bonus.

What you like is what you like though.

When I stopped looking at new devices a couple of years ago, pods were pre-filled liquid containers for proprietary systems. I learned about these when I started shopping for new equipment for tanks.

I understand that technically a pod has the coil permanently attached regardless of how wasteful that is. But an AIO is a single, attached unit so to change flavors you have to clean it out. These are sort of a hybrid between the two -- you can change flavors like you can with separate tanks but it is an integrated system.

As I don't want to refer to them as "pod look-alikes that have coils which can be removed without throwing out the pods themselves" every time I discuss them, I'll continue to call them "pods".

 

[Poeia]

Apparently it’s not actually an AIO even though it’s marketed that way. The tank and battery connect via a 510. You can put the flint tank on any 510 battery or any 510 tank on the flint battery. An AIO would have no connector between the tank and battery at all. Definitions and semantics.

Ah. I just pulled up a picture and thought "AIO. Not interested." I didn't read on so I didn't realize it was in two pieces.

 

[bombastinator]

When I stopped looking at new devices a couple of years ago, pods were pre-filled liquid containers for proprietary systems. I learned about these when I started shopping for new equipment for tanks.

I understand that technically a pod has the coil permanently attached regardless of how wasteful that is. But an AIO is a single, attached unit so to change flavors you have to clean it out. These are sort of a hybrid between the two -- you can change flavors like you can with separate tanks but it is an integrated system.

As I don't want to refer to them as "pod look-alikes that have coils which can be removed without throwing out the pods themselves" every time I discuss them, I'll continue to call them "pods".

Vape word definitions have always been confusing and odd. It’s the way of such things. Mods are called “mods” because they used to be things like modded Altoids tins and miniature flashlights. Words stick words don’t. It’s random.

 

[Poeia]

Vape word definitions have always been confusing and odd. It’s the way of such things. Mods are called “mods” because they used to be things like modded Altoids tins and miniature flashlights. Words stick words don’t. It’s random.

I have 2 Altoid tin ones. They used 4 AA batteries & were great but my first mods were Chucks (one little, one regular).

 

[bombastinator]

I have 2 Altoid tin ones. They used 4 AA batteries & were great but my first mods were Chucks (one little, one regular).

That probably predates me. I did one flashlight as an 18650 mod back in the day, and I bought but never finished a radio shack style triple AA battery pack as a mod. Now things are purpose built but they’re still called mods. The word pod seems to be going in that same direction. Perhaps anything that isn’t an RBA will be a pod. Who knows?

 

[Poeia]

RalphA built them. DeejStuff carried them for a little while. Apparently having the batteries back to back meant they mAh was the some of the parts or something. They worked well but were truly homemade. You turned them off by removing a battery.

Based on the date you joined ECF, I only pre-date you by a few months. I joined when I was researching my first e-cig.

Chucks were one of the original mods. Built like a tank and customized but then Provaris and other mods beat its electronics. I'd still use them (they were built for basic 510 atomizers but I have some) but they're too heavy for me now.

 

[Poeia]

No Pod will ever beat them for beautiful-ness. *sigh*