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My only problem with WTA is the availability, or lack thereof, I wish Ethan would get that shopping cart done, and that Radiokaos will release soon.

Just send Aroma or Vapelicious an email to their support/contact information links to find out about getting some of their products. I'm sure they would be happy to let you know when they will have product for release! :)
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Just send Aroma or Vapelicious an email to their support/contact information links to find out about getting some of their products. I'm sure they would be happy to let you know when they will have product for release! :)
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CB is Vapelicious out of WTA? I thought you just had to email him to be able to get it. Did not know they where sold out.
 

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cant even get into vapelicious website. big ugly 'google chrome' advertisment, blocking it, with no way of closing it. very annoying. and thats me being nice.

Try quitting your browser and restart it. There are no adverts when I go here: Vapelicious | Whole Tobacco Alkaloid Liquid for Electronic Cigarettes. Just check out their flavors, read whatever you wish, then email your order (and questions) to Ethan at support@vapelicious.com.

He's one of my favorite vendors. Good people.

Good luck!
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I think we need to remember that vaping is about harm reduction. No long term studies prove vaping is "safe" but I think we all can agree it is safer than consuming tobacco via combustion. It is obvious some posters are not aware what WTA really is and I encourage everyone to read about. Here is a one of a few start points http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html . One heck of a long read, but very informative and worth it IMO.

I've been vaping since 12-10. I did fine at first but as the months ticked by, I had to up my nic. I chain vaped every waking hour, panicked if I didn't have a pv withing arms reach and for the most part, it was not set down. I vaped till my heart raced and I had to lie down, but never had satisfaction. In the past 2-3 months, the feeling of impending doom started crushing down and a total lack of care about anything. My sleep was severely disrupted and with that, chronic pain was my constant companion. My quality of life had become squat and I felt paralyzed.

Enter WTA Monday. The cloud of doom has parted and I actually give a damn about my life again. My sleep is getting better therefore my body is able to manage pain better. Juice consumption has gone from 6ml+ a day down to 1.5-3ml. I can actually set down the pv and do tasks that require two hands. :) I am using judiciously by dripping several times daily. Monitoring the least amount needed to even my mood and sleep. One day I would like to be off vaping completely, but if that day does not come it's OK now.

I envy those for whom nic is enough. If it is not, I encourage you to investigate WTA. Do the reading so you can make an informed decision if it is something you want to try. I am very glad I did because frankly the alternative was pretty bleak for me.
 
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Hi :)

Do you get your WTA from Vapelicious or the ECF vendor? Just got an order shipped by Ethan last week and am burning to try it :).

I think we need to remember that vaping is about harm reduction. No long term studies prove vaping is "safe" but I think we all can agree it is safer than consuming tobacco via combustion. It is obvious some posters are not aware what WTA really is and I encourage everyone to read about. Here is a one of a few start points http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/nicotine/44958-so-we-getting-we-not-nicotine.html . One heck of a long read, but very informative and worth it IMO.

I've been vaping since 12-10. I did fine at first but as the months ticked by, I had to up my nic. I chain vaped every waking hour, panicked if I didn't have a pv withing arms reach and for the most part, it was not set down. I vaped till my heart raced and I had to lie down, but never had satisfaction. In the past 2-3 months, the feeling of impending doom started crushing down and a total lack of care about anything. My sleep was severely disrupted and with that, chronic pain was my constant companion. My quality of life had become squat and I felt paralyzed.

Enter WTA Monday. The cloud of doom has parted and I actually give a damn about my life again. My sleep is getting better therefore my body is able to manage pain better. Juice consumption has gone from 6ml+ a day down to 1.5-3ml. I can actually set down the pv and do tasks that require two hands. :) I am using judiciously by dripping several times daily. Monitoring the least amount needed to even my mood and sleep. One day I would like to be off vaping completely, but if that day does not come it's OK now.

I envy those for whom nic is enough. If it is not, I encourage you to investigate WTA. Do the reading so you can make an informed decision if it is something you want to try. I am very glad I did because frankly the alternative was pretty bleak for me.
 

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Any real studies on if it is bad? It seems like it is harmless. I have been using it 4 times a week when going to the gym. Thinking of using juice with it more. My favorite juice right now has WTA and I want to vape it. Any reason I should not use it more?
I am using it every day without event. Pleasant and no more cravings for cigs.
 

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I dunno. Some think it could be more addictive with the additional alkaloids, but bottom line is we don't have long term studies to prove vaping nic only is "safe". I know with my genetic make-up and smoking history, I am monitoring myself closely. I got the 18mg high, but think x high might have been better. It takes the edge off but an analog really lights up those dark places in my brain if you know what I mean. I had 3 today:facepalm:
 

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CB, "WTA will not cause your weiner to fall off or your hair and neither will your juice."

Still got my weiner, but I've noticed my scalp in the front and the back must have a love affair going, Well. maybe not a love affair, but they seem to be getting closer to each other. I don't think it has anything to do with WTA since it really got serious when I started wearing a helmet to ride.
 

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Boy, I should have make this into a Word Document a long time ago but I’ll do it this time so I have it available the next time I feel like posting it. Smoking, the three headed monster.
First though, let’s keep in mind one very important fact. Tobacco in and of itself is not the major issue, it’s the combustion of tobacco, smoking, that gives tobacco a really bad rap. Much of what is said about tobacco by the ANTZ (anti-tobacco and nicotine zealots) is part of a propaganda campaign that has gone on for decades. Most smokeless tobacco is orders of magnitude safer than smoking. Back to the monster.

The reason that it is so difficult to quit smoking is that there are so many reasons people started smoking and have a difficult time quitting. No one miracle product will ever be invented that will be the magic answer to get everyone to quit. In fact, I don’t believe everyone will ever quit. That being said, in my journey, which began over two years ago when I got talked into buying an E Cig, I have seen three major groups of people along the way.

The Hand to Mouth Addicts There are quite a few people that smoke or have smoked that the physical act of smoking is an ingrained process, like someone that bites their fingernails. They are the ones that start using an E Cig or PV (personal vaporizer) and within a very short time go from using nicotine to zero nic and are happy as they were smoking, maybe more so. Many think they like the flavor of tobacco and some do, but a lot they find the delicious flavors and soon both smoking and tobacco flavor are a thing of the past. They are basically doing the same thing they did in the past as far as hand to mouth, just not inhaling smoke and increasing their chance at health issues. These are also the people that after a while of vaping have the best possibility of complete abstinence after a while. Once they realize they don’t NEED the nicotine, they may realize they don’t NEED the PV.

The Nicotine Addict Yes, nicotine has been declared to be more addicting than h or c or anything ever conceived by man. All part of the Big Plan by the ANTZ, declare the Nicodemon from hell is why people smoke. There is no doubt nicotine is addicting, but there are a lot of products that are “addicting” in the way the word is used today. I’ve witnessed Caffeine addicts that need to have that can of soda in front of them every hour of the day and the worker that can’t exist without a mug of coffee in front of them constantly.

The person that is seriously into nicotine again finds the PV a suitable replacement once they get the proper quantity into their system. They too find freedom from smoking once they find something that satisfies their taste. These are the people that NRT might work for if they weren’t also fighting that Hand to Mouth Addiction.

The only way they get off the PV is if they gradually reduce their Nic level but probably never do.
The Self-Medicating Addict I stand up in front of the support group and state, “Hi, I’m Jim and I self-medicate”. I as well as those that, like myself, found the traditional nicquid left “something missing” from our smoking experience. It took me over six months to realize that PVs helped, but would never get me off smoking. I might not be smoking 40 to 50 cigarettes a day anymore, but I had to have a half dozen and that started creeping up by a cigarette or two at the end.

Every time I read someone post that they needed to vape 24/7 I knew they were having the same type issues as I. When they push their nic levels higher and higher hoping to find that sweet spot, but never seeming to find it, I know they are where I once was. Every time I see a vapor looking for that perfect flavor to combine with the right level of nic, but never really finding the ONE that will keep them from thinking about having a cigarette, I know they are where I once was.

I found god when I found Swedish snus almost a year and nine months ago. It gave me that tobacco alkaloid combination that satisfied the real reason I smoked all of those 43 years. I have not had a single drag on a cigarette since and not desire to do so.

That being said, smokeless tobacco is not something that most people are willing to even try. Why would they? A decade of brainwashing that it wasn’t a safe alternative to smoking is pretty difficult to overcome. Not only that, but you will be seriously disfigured if you use it and spit tobacco is disgusting. Oh, there’s no spitting? That’s not the point.

Smoking gave us something other than the hand to mouth and the nicotine, at least some of us. What Swedish snus did for me, products like WTA may work for others. Is it totally safe? NO Is it probably a lot safer than smoking? MORE THAN LIKELY Is it more dangerous than using traditional nicquid? MAYBE, BUT MAYBE NOT

That can’t possibly be true some of you may say, but take a moment and think about it. Water is safe until you get too much of it, then it will kill you. If, as some of you have indicated, you vape 24/7, might you be better vaping WTA a few times a day? Only you can answer that, but I will tell you that what you’re getting in WTA is what was in those cigarettes you were smoking for how many years you smoked. WTA plus CO, tar and all those other nasty’s found in cigarette smoke. Each person need to analyze their own situation and select the risk they are willing to accept.
I used to inhale an average of 50 grams of combusted tobacco a day. Today I use 4-5 grams of snus a day and about 1 ml of WTA liquid in three days. I feel great with my risk assessment. It’s up to each of us to make our own determination.
 
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