I second this. I've also found that drawing in air works better for me. Leave your lips partially open instead of sucking on it like a straw or an analog.
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I second this. I've also found that drawing in air works better for me. Leave your lips partially open instead of sucking on it like a straw or an analog.
If you are trying to quit smoking you really can't mess up. There is a natural progression with PV's most go through while some try to jump straight to the end game.
Keep in mind devices might seem expensive but compared to cigarettes it's not so bad. I think jumping straight into vv mods with rebuild able atomizers and tanks might be just as big of a problem as getting an underpowered setup as it can be intimidating.
I use a REO but if I had to recommend a setup for a newer user I would go with volcano's inferno with their tank and a drip tip. It performs well enough and is so easy even my wife hasn't messed it up (she has been through quite a few devices). I'm sure there are ego non branded equivalents out there as well.
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Keep in mind devices might seem expensive but compared to cigarettes it's not so bad. I think jumping straight into vv mods with rebuild able atomizers and tanks might be just as big of a problem as getting an underpowered setup as it can be intimidating.
I use a REO but if I had to recommend a setup for a newer user I would go with volcano's inferno with their tank and a drip tip. It performs well enough and is so easy even my wife hasn't messed it up (she has been through quite a few devices). I'm sure there are ego non branded equivalents out there as well.
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Welcome to the Wonder World of Vaping! A Newbie myself and went thru the what's-best-for-me search too... Finally settled on an Apollo Kit and think (at least for the time being) I've found a home... 
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I'm going to fifth or seventh or ninth or whatever some things others have said here:
No, you didn't mess up. If it works for you, you did the total opposite of messing up. If it doesn't work for you, but encourages you to move on to something that does, then it's still served its purpose well. The only way you can mess up is to ignore the advice and information here, judge all ecigs by one bad experience, and give up -- and you're obviously not going that route!
Something not to confuse with messing up: wanting more! Wanting more is good. Wanting more is success. Wanting to check out a bigger/better/tastier vape next week or tomorrow means your brain is starting to associate its nicotine addiction with vaping, not just with smoking, and it's when our brains learn that smoking isn't the only way to get nicotine any more that our nicotine addiction separates from -- and stops reinforcing -- our tobacco-smoking addiction. That's when we get to be honest with ourselves finally about what we really think about the taste/smell/mess/expense of smoking, and see vaping as superior, and that right there is when vapers become ex-smokers. So if you find that two or three days, or weeks, after using your V2, you're eyeing an eGo twist or a Provari because the V2 just isn't cutting it for you, that means the V2 did its job well!
On throwing out your old cigs: Some people do really well with a willpower boost. Some people, that same thing will cause them to resent ecigs and go right back to smoking. It's really personal. When you see a no-smoking sign, does that remind you that you'd really like a smoke break right now? When your doctor or parents have that "little talk" with you about giving up smoking, does that make you want to go chain-smoke in the parking lot? If so, you might be one of the people who do better reassuring yourself that you can have a cigarette any time you want to, any time the cigarette truly sounds better than a vape. Or tell yourself, every time you want a cigarette, that you're going to have three puffs off your ecig and wait 15 minutes, then have the cigarette if you still want one. The beauty of vaping as a quit assist is that it doesn't really take much willpower for lots of people; it just takes a willingness to let yourself be a little... distracted. You don't have to say "NO!" to every craving; you just have to say "In a minute... Right after I check out this new coffee flavor..."
On how to vape vs smoking: The nicotine from ecigs is absorbed differently from the nicotine in smoke, and it requires a little more work from your body to make it available to your brain. The nicotine from a cigarette is hitting your brain (and soothing its cravings) not long after you get the cigarette lit; the nicotine from vaping takes something like 5-15 minutes, and never has that punch-in-the-yes-please effect that, say, the first cigarette of the morning has, because it kind of trickles in rather than arriving like a freight train. So the technique and timing to get the most out of vaping are definitely a little different, and what works best varies from person to person.
Don't worry about the timing. There's no one right timing for everyone. When you're busy but want a cigarette, grab a couple of quick puffs and get on with what you were doing. When what you really want is the cigarette break, go have a vape break, in the same place you normally smoke, with the same people you normally smoke with; the only things to change are the first nicotine source to come out of your pocket (you can follow the vape with a cigarette if you want to!) and maybe add a glass of water to every vape break, because the vapor is a little dehydrating. Eventually, your brain will make that vital connection that ecigs give nicotine, too, and your cravings for "a cigarette" will shift a little to include "or a vape". Then you won't be fighting yourself to quit smoking, you'll just be encouraging yourself to prefer vaping.
There's good news to balance that "never has that punch-in-the-yes-please" issue: The nicotine from vaping also takes longer to get used up or washed out of your system, so eventually you won't have the between-cigarette cravings that are what make that punch feel so good. (You may still have cravings for cigarettes, but they probably won't be for the nicotine; instead, you may feel withdrawals from other additives specific to your cigarette brand.)
There's also no one right technique for everyone, but there are some guidelines dictated by the way ecigs work. Try a gentler draw, especially if you keep ending up with juice in your mouth. The length of your draw may be determined by your battery if you're using an automatic battery; if you want a longer draw, try out a manual battery, and probably a bigger one for the longer cutoff. Try direct inhalation and pulling it into your throat first, both. Try French-inhaling and -exhaling. Try to make vapor rings! Basically, have fun with it, play with it. Your brain is going to be your ally here: it wants that nicotine, and it will reward you for providing it. It won't be as immediate as learning to smoke, because the nicotine doesn't hit as quickly, but eventually your brain will start subconsciously steering you to do more of the things that provide the nicotine efficiently.
When I've spent some time indoors somewhere I can't vape, I end up doing this bit where I use my throat to pull vapor in continuously, while simultaneously alternating between inhaling it down into my lungs for air and exhaling it through my nose; this cycles the vapor through my sinuses, which is where I seem to get the fastest nicotine absorption. I do that for about a minute straight, nonstop, and then I'm done and ready to go back inside for another couple of hours. When I'm vaping with a smoker, though, I tend to fall into smoker rhythms: take a puff, play with it, maybe French inhale or hold it in my lungs while I wave my ecig around to emphasize what I'm saying, exhale while I talk, pause, puff again; all the old stuff. And that works, too; it's just not quite as satisfying if I've been a couple of hours without.
Seriously, your brain already wants to help you do this right. If you do it right, your brain gets its nicotine, and that's all it really cares about. The thing that makes this work isn't that it's a passable substitute for smoking; the thing that makes it work is that it's more enjoyable than smoking! Play, trust your instincts, and remember to drink extra water.
Welcome to ECF. Being a vaper is a journey with many different paths.Have fun discovering the different things that can be used because there is always something new.
That being said, I quit smoking with V2. The reason i chose them was for the cig look of their batts. And because it has a lifetime warranty on the batteries. I still use V2 for backup or when i want to help someone out that is thinking of quitting smoking. I even like 2 of their flavors.
Fast forward 8 months later and my preferences have changed. i like making my own e-juice. I now prefer box mods and use Vivi Nova clearomizers/tanks with the changeable heads. I also have a tube type mech mod. Plus I am seriously considering getting a Provari.
keep on vaping!
That being said, I quit smoking with V2. The reason i chose them was for the cig look of their batts. And because it has a lifetime warranty on the batteries. I still use V2 for backup or when i want to help someone out that is thinking of quitting smoking. I even like 2 of their flavors.
Fast forward 8 months later and my preferences have changed. i like making my own e-juice. I now prefer box mods and use Vivi Nova clearomizers/tanks with the changeable heads. I also have a tube type mech mod. Plus I am seriously considering getting a Provari.
keep on vaping!
---snipped (but Jaka's entire post is worth reading and re-reading!
Something not to confuse with messing up: wanting more! Wanting more is good. Wanting more is success. Wanting to check out a bigger/better/tastier vape next week or tomorrow means your brain is starting to associate its nicotine addiction with vaping, not just with smoking, and it's when our brains learn that smoking isn't the only way to get nicotine any more that our nicotine addiction separates from -- and stops reinforcing -- our tobacco-smoking addiction. That's when we get to be honest with ourselves finally about what we really think about the taste/smell/mess/expense of smoking, and see vaping as superior, and that right there is when vapers become ex-smokers. So if you find that two or three days, or weeks, after using your V2, you're eyeing an eGo twist or a Provari because the V2 just isn't cutting it for you, that means the V2 did its job well!
What a good way to handle the craving. I like that.
Very good point.
Exactly.
I often had to remind myself to take long, slow, gentle draws when I started with e-cigs. A very nice side benefit of the long, gentle draw technique that usually works best with e-cigs is that you don't have to clamp your lips so firmly around an e-cig to draw the vapor in slowly. E-cig tip placed loosely in corner of mouth, and lips very relaxed while slowwwwly taking a long, gentle draw works well for me. I figure that's not as likely to contribute further to embedding the fine vertical wrinkles on the upper lip and deep valley wrinkles at corners of the mouth that strong-drawing, heavy-puffing smokers of traditional cigarettes often acquire over time.
Right! Have fun with it. Two Ego Twists, battery charger with USB to wall adapter, several Vision 3 Clearomizers (tip is on them), some tasty e-juices (wow, do I love the "White Rabbit" and the "Twas Brillig" juices from AliceInVapeland.com)... that's what got me off to a successful enjoyable start. I seem to do fine with only 11 or 12 mg strength nicotine e-juices. I was a two pack a day smoker for 40 years, but haven't had a single urge to pick up an analog cigarette since I started vaping.Seriously, your brain already wants to help you do this right. If you do it right, your brain gets its nicotine, and that's all it really cares about. The thing that makes this work isn't that it's a passable substitute for smoking; the thing that makes it work is that it's more enjoyable than smoking! Play, trust your instincts, and remember to drink extra water.
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No. You won't. There is nothing wrong with the V2 for a starter kit. It's helped a lot of people...and some people don't want to start out with a cigar sized PV. Let the evolution happen naturally. There are lots of people who have incredibly fancy expensive one-of-a-kind APVs with price tags out of the range of most mortal humans (Absentheur for example) who still use V2 on occasion.
There is no one size fits all. And the cig-a-like such as the V2 or the SI Volt can really help a new vaper on their journey. I hate it when I see people dismiss them out of hand based on some experience like the gas station disposables, that aren't even in the same ballpark.
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My first experience was with the V2 and it led me to search for more. But if I hadn't seen someone with a mod at a local McDonald's I wouldn't have known there was more to search for. The OP is going to be fine because they already found ECF. But since they're already here, why not advise them to at least start with a cheap eGo instead of a cig-a-like? A twist + everything else you need is cheaper than a V2 starter kit. And far superior.
Nothing wrong with V2's. Got my starter and it tastes great. Don't believe the anti-hype, lots of people here are just really into this as a hobby and want these huge batteries and mods that make their kit look like a UFO. If that's not what you need, and it wasn't what I needed, then V2's are perfectly fine.
Don't know about OP, but for the kits they had the best deal for me was one that had two batteries. I got one manual, one auto, because they only had black in manual (I wanted black) and I thought I wanted auto, but it was blue. Anyway fast forward to now, I used the manual one instead and don't want to go back to the auto. I like the control of the manual one a lot better.
They're not trash. You're vaping. It just gets frustrating quickly when the battery only lasts for a couple hours and your ecig doesn't hit very hard. It's not all about looks. The bigger, shinier stuff has more powerful, longer lasting batteries. The small ecigs were not enough to keep me off analogs, they only supplemented them. Experiences vary.
Of course, obviously if someone needs these mods or bigger batteries, more power to them. When I was researching what I wanted my biggest beef was that people would launch into long complicated explanations of more complex systems and delivery methods, and exclude any of the simpler beginner's kits from the conversation altogether, trying to get people to start out with something that was a lot harder to just pick up and go. This gives the initial impression that all of the cig-a-likes and easier stuff is bad, but a little research away from people who are hobbyists and enthusiasts for vaping led me to the Blu's and V2's, and I made the most informed decision I could from what I found out, but it was more in spite of people on ECF's advice rather than because of it, since you guys really like your bigger and "better" stuff and will preach it, haha.
Lots of good advice here, but if it were me, and it was me about a month ago, I would skip the prefilled cartos and cig-alikes.
Especially if you get roped into some terrible auto-ship program.
Get yourself a nice eGo-T or C kit with 2 batteries, a charger, and a couple of clearos.
Pick up a bottle or 2 of some good nicquid and enjoy the transition.
You're probably going to want to get something "tobacco" flavored, but nothing is going to taste like whatever you used to smoke.
My second pick was a Vanilla and it is my go-to flavor, and I've tried about 20.
I like Grapeful Dead Shisa, as well.
Here's the best thing...
A few weeks after you finally smoke your last analog, things start smelling again, both good and bad.
Your taste buds will slowly come back to life, and everything tastes better.
You'll be able to smell a smoker from across the room, and you'll think to yourself, wow, did I really smell like that?
Especially after they come back in from a smoke break.
And get this...sex is better when you don't smoke.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Especially if you get roped into some terrible auto-ship program.
Get yourself a nice eGo-T or C kit with 2 batteries, a charger, and a couple of clearos.
Pick up a bottle or 2 of some good nicquid and enjoy the transition.
You're probably going to want to get something "tobacco" flavored, but nothing is going to taste like whatever you used to smoke.
My second pick was a Vanilla and it is my go-to flavor, and I've tried about 20.
I like Grapeful Dead Shisa, as well.
Here's the best thing...
A few weeks after you finally smoke your last analog, things start smelling again, both good and bad.
Your taste buds will slowly come back to life, and everything tastes better.
You'll be able to smell a smoker from across the room, and you'll think to yourself, wow, did I really smell like that?
Especially after they come back in from a smoke break.
And get this...sex is better when you don't smoke.
Of course, that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
I recently got a top end mod (Provari and rebuildable atomiser) and it is great but I still have minis for walking around. The big guns don't tuck behind your ear when you are not using them. I have the Prosmoke and they have their foibles but I have learned to get the most out of them by experience. Minis are practical and can give you a quick hit anywhere. When I am at home I relax and use the good equipment. Right tool for the right job IMO.
Everyone has to start somewhere, give it a try and if its not to your liking consider upgrading. You didnt make a mistake because you made a step in the right direction! Good Luck!
Do the cartos have the filler around a center mesh tube?
I have several blank cartos which have an internal piece that the filler is in. The atty, when inserted, seats against the filler.
How do you use them for dripping?
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