Yes I still Smoke Cigarettes and I am addicted to the smoking habit - support and chat thread.

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Claudia P

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Coming into a thread and posting crap like this certainly does not make anyone feel like going out of their way to help you with anything other than finding the door.
After seeing this I'm more concerned with you offending us than us offending you.

BTW if you notice the forum this thread is in SOCIAL GROUP FORUMS
 
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I found your post to be very rude, insulting and condescending. There are only so many tips that can be passed on to those who are having a hard time giving up their last smokes. If all we posted were tips and suggestions, this thread would be buried so deep in the forum, no one would be able to find it anyway.

It's the friendships of others in the same boat, and the support and encouragement they provide that gets you there and allows you to continue succeeding. This thread helped me give up a 42 year 3+ PAD smoking habit that I was unable to give up any other way. This thread is also what keeps me from reaching for a cigarette still. So the best stop smoking tip I can give you is to find a place like this on the forum where you feel comfortable and supported in your efforts.

We all started here for the same reasons and we welcome any and all who need help. Are we supposed to just sit idly by waiting for someone to post their problem so we can jump in with the same old suggestions they can get anywhere else in the forum? We continue to stay here for the camaraderie this thread provides us, and that's what keeps us going. If we can find a little fun here while we're at it, so much the better. It keeps us coming back. Perhaps if you'd stayed around when you checked us out the first time, you'd be a happy non-smoker by now. Your loss.
 

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Just an FYI. The person who started this thread is also the owner and moderator of the PIF forum. He posts here often. When we decided to have some fun and post some music videos, this was his response.

Glad to see you all lightening up a bit :)
I was starting to think ECF stood for extremely cranky fellows :p
 

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This thread is in the Social Group area specifically so that we do not need to stay on topic, and as others have so tactfully said it is this social interaction between people who have become friends, that keeps those of us who have quit smoking on that path, and those who have drastically cut down to stay on that path.

When you come into any forum, thread, room calling people names and being generally obnoxious you will not be well received. When you enter attacking people they will defend themselves.
If you want a thread that always stays on topic I suggest you start one of your own in an area of the forum outside of Social Groups or The Lounge. ECF requires them to stay on topic, that is not required or even encouraged here.
 
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First, I am not trolling. I regularly come to this forum but I don't post allot, just read.

I am complaining about all the NON TOPIC post on this thread and those who are posting them do not like my complaing so they have resorted to name-calling.

Below is the original OP post. Read it and think about it. This person didn't start this thread so it could be turned it into one big daily gab session....

Most post on this thread anymore are about, Oh, I made breakfast today....Oh I just got a new kitty.....Oh I just love this band.....Oh I just colored my hair and love it..... They are not about OP's subject. This is called hijacking a thread.

As the PIF group OWNER and person who started this thread I'll respond with this -

The whole purpose of this thread is support :) chit chat is fine. How can you offer support if you don't know or understand what people are going through? Sometimes a faceless Internet friend to talk to is more helpful at relieving stress than a cigarette.
As long as its friendly, civil and within ECF rules - anything goes :) Even disagreement is fine as long as its done with respect for the other person. :)





Name calling and bashing I don't tolerate - that's how I got my reputation for being mean. Some of the old timers can tell you what pif was like back in the beginning :facepalm: I was a member 3 months before I got enough nerve up to post here :blink:

If you are unhappy with the posts here then by all means feel free not to read them. There's a really cool little X in the top right hand corner of your screen - click it and all the "bad things" will go away never to trouble you again.
 

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Thank you Lox. :)

I have been sitting here this morning dripping some of the liquids I got when I first started vaping, I guess doing a Shari and starting to sort some of them out. OMG I actually liked these, some of the ones that were my favorites in the beginning are absolutely unvapable. It is amazing how much at least my taste has changed in 5 months. If the ones I liked are this bad I'm not even going to think about trying those that I didn't like.
 

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I am one who can't give up that 1-2 cigs per day.

I am genuinely interested in why you desire to give up a 1-2 cigs per day habit? IMO, that equals moderate smoking, and is a pretty cool thing to be involved with. It is tough to see that thru lens of addiction, and impossible (for me) to see it as abuse. So, I do wonder what the desire is to stop?

With that said, and something that does not necessarily apply to charly1954, but I feel does apply to vaping community / ex-smokers and what this thread is kinda about - I'm often wondering why vapers, of all people, don't give themselves full permission to smoke. I've heard some vapers / ex-smokers claim that if they had one, it would lead to full on smoking (aka abuse), but I wonder how true or accurate that is? Mainly cause there are so many stories where very heavy smoker (2-3 PAD) quit smoking on first puff of vaping. So, that being the case, it would stand to reason that if you suddenly had a full pack in a day, then the next day you could vape and plausibly either minimize the return to full on smoking or possibly halt it in its tracks.

IMO, based on a whole lot of anecdotal evidence, you have to want to stop vaping to go back to full time smoking. Which I think is very very important to realize. For if do you both, you are likely to minimize smoking, and that is assuming you are giving yourself full permission to smoke.

As I've said before, when I quit cold turkey for like 8 years, after about 30 days, I gave myself full permission to smoke. But as the cravings were gone, that never materialized until about 8 years later. Most of that time, smoking was about as important to me as wanting to plan a trip to the moon to go sightseeing (read as: not at all important).

Anyway, I still have something that is between wonder and concern for vaping community members (of which I am one) whereby smoking is to be treated as something to swear off and never ever consider doing again. Which often comes off as masking a fear of returning to place where that person will abuse smoking, have heath issues, be shamed by society, and live a dismal/depressing life. I don't get that from persons who are smoking 10 logs or less a day, as that strikes me as close to, if not full on, moderate smoking.

I'm currently on pace of smoking about a pack a month which, in my book, is ideal. I would prefer to be in this camp than the one that labels logs as stinkies and wishes everyone would just quit so we can further stigmatize and shame the rest of the smoking community. I realize that majority of vapers actually treat it like a gray area and aren't actually into shaming smoking. Yet, on vaping forums, when we do choose to discuss smoking / ex-smoking it seems like we have tendency to go in direction whereby we (vapers) will shame the act of smoking and do what we can to encourage others to quit outright and then be proud to be 'off the stinkies.'

I do actually loathe that mentality and take issue with fellow vapers who express themselves in this manner. IMO, it is one small step away from ANTZ logic, were it not for love of vaping (nicotine). I also dislike that on the politics of nicotine, the vaping community sometimes shows up with willingness to throw smokers under the bus, while hoping 'they' (ANTZ types) will be more flexible with how vaping works and how it is nothing like smoking. IMO, ANTZ don't work like that. How do I know this? Cause sometimes when I look in the mirror, especially when I went cold turkey, I saw, or can see, an ANTZ type looking back at me. And I'd rather shame the ANTZ side of me, than shame the side of me that dares to enjoy being a moderate smoker.

/rant
 
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