Yes I still Smoke Cigarettes and I am addicted to the smoking habit - support and chat thread.

[Karen N Daytona]

Someone tell me If I am wrong here, sometimes my anger can get in the way, and since I don't get angry like this often, I might not see my folly. I don't like being called a liar. My integrity is everything! even for something like this I found it offensive.

 

[alisa1970]

You probably felt more angry than your post sounded. I have that problem too, although it's not a bad problem to have. I have written what I think is a scathing response to someone, only to read it later and wonder how I managed to sound so calm. I think it's our customer service background. We're just better at communicating our "dissastisfaction" without sounding witchy.

 

[aikanae1]

Her attitude sucked. She was arrogant and rude and that's very unbecoming for a vendor.

Do you know who I am?

"Yea sweetie, your one of 15,000 or more."

That would have been appropiate.

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[Karen N Daytona]

You probably felt more angry than your post sounded. I have that problem too, although it's not a bad problem to have. I have written what I think is a scathing response to someone, only to read it later and wonder how I managed to sound so calm. I think it's our customer service background. We're just better at communicating our "dissastisfaction" without sounding witchy.

Can never get it out of me, it's ingrained! LOL I was expert in escalated resolution. My writing skills may have waned, but the ideology hasn't suffered.

my favorite part is that she wrote this "I can tell you that real 100% VG done well is hard to find." So, how did I lie if that was my experience? LOL

 

[aikanae1]

eliquid is very subjective.
there is some VERY CRAPPY VG eliquids though.
same is true for PG too though.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

part three

Mike Coughlin Humble juice maker eh? You sound smug as hell to me.
19 minutes ago · Unlike · 1
Lisa Hinerman Oh geeze.... lol enjoy your supposed reason to be angry & lash out. My intention is to help someone who may have an allergy that is detouring them from vaping... and avoid bad information being given them that might detour them from actually successfully quitting smoking. Saying that juices with higher VG content are of less flavor is a lie. If you said most VG based juices have less flavor, you might be correct. If you said VG doesn't taste like chemicals, I'd certainly agree. Please don't make false statements.

There are juice makers who use PG & know how to steep that chemical flavor away before bottling. One... is Murdock Ruml. He's a fantastic juice maker!

What I can reveal is that not using PG in your juice greatly reduces the life span of the juice itself. That is why it is so widely used by almost every juice maker. It is a preservative. It is in most flavorings as a carrier.





I have yet to answer, anybody want to play?

 

[alisa1970]

I understand how bent you are...try not to let it get to you! You weren't lying, I don't know how often I've seen that here on ECF. I myself HAVE found a couple of VG juices with plenty of flavor, but on the whole I haven't been that lucky.

Leave the biddy to herself and don't let her win. I know, easier said than done...

 

[ShariR]

The above is why I do not do Facebook.

Karen, it is not worth it to argue with those who will not hear and can not see. Why waste your precious energy. Tell her with her vast 11 month of experience she must be an expert. Not doing it for money. Yeah right.....

 

[aikanae1]

She's arrogant.
What she's saying actually has some truth!
Who's not listening?

Choose your battles wisely.
If she's full of **it, she'll ............, all by herself.

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[ShariR]

There is some truth to every argument. If there was not, there would be nothing to argue. I agree. If Boba's Bounty is 100% vg than a very flavorful juice can be made 100% vg. I have trouble vaping high vg juices so I do not vape them.

I have tried two of Virgin Vapor juices the Organic Vanilla Blackberry Swirl and the Organic Georgia Gold. I do not like either. The Van/blk still tastes of alcohol after 3 months and I just did not like the taste or consistency of the Georgia Gold. That is just my opinion.

On the other hand, I do like Boba's Bounty and it does not seem to be in the same league as the Virgin Vapor I tried. They are doing something different.

I have trouble vaping anything with over 50% vg. It gives me a heaviness in my chest and I do not like the feeling. Thank goodness I have no problem with pg.

I am sure that there are vendors that can make a very flavorful 100%vg juice. Since I am not limited to that viscosity I am able to chase my flavors in a wider pool.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

The point isn't whether her 100% VG is better than others ot that there are many that do it right, the point is not to label someone a liar that has only had this as their experience.

Her arrogance will not serve her in business, I will finish with her now, she won't like what I do. I am posting her words in another group, Smokies not recommended,

Even with her being right, as you say Aikanae, she is offensive, I do not tolerate that. I am the most gentle, kind, laid back person ever. Nobody is allowed to be offensive to me. I get that at home. Outside of my home, I will not tolerate anybody trying to hurt me, ever.

Alisa, I have to battle this, it really irked me to be called a liar for something that I experienced. I am not the only one. It would have been better for her to say that it is too bad that was my experience but it doesn't have to be etc.. mention other vendors, whatever, but not what she said.

I am not as smart as I once was, but I have a heart, and feelings. Perhaps too close to the surface. Once I am hurt, I can not let it go.

 

[ShariR]

Karen, you will do what you need to, but please, let me assure you, that she is not worth the time and trouble. There are people that post only to argue. They get off on it. She probably thinks that somehow she is enhancing her Brand. I think she is only making herself look bad. If she is that good of a juice maker she would be explaining, not defending. Let her have it, then move on and out of there.

You have better things to do.

 

[aikanae1]

VV is not one I'd use as an example of "doing it right".

VG is not the flavor killer that ppl think it is. Even with VV it's not the VG that "kills it", it's the alcohol and other crap.

So if someone may be dealing with a PG allergy (as she claims) is it helpful to say VG is a flavor killer when there are excellent VG full flavored juices? I didn't read the conversation.

I do know that big-mouthed arrogant aholes ALWAYS hang themselves if I keep my mouth shut. If I open my mouth, I'll go down with them. It's kinda like feeding trolls.

This is also not typical for FB. There's probably more of that on ECF.

 

[aikanae1]

Your feeding a troll.
NEVER do that.

The point isn't whether her 100% VG is better than others ot that there are many that do it right, the point is not to label someone a liar that has only had this as their experience.

Her arrogance will not serve her in business, I will finish with her now, she won't like what I do. I am posting her words in another group, Smokies not recommended,

Even with her being right, as you say Aikanae, she is offensive, I do not tolerate that. I am the most gentle, kind, laid back person ever. Nobody is allowed to be offensive to me. I get that at home. Outside of my home, I will not tolerate anybody trying to hurt me, ever.

Alisa, I have to battle this, it really irked me to be called a liar for something that I experienced. I am not the only one. It would have been better for her to say that it is too bad that was my experience but it doesn't have to be etc.. mention other vendors, whatever, but not what she said.

I am not as smart as I once was, but I have a heart, and feelings. Perhaps too close to the surface. Once I am hurt, I can not let it go.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Finished with that

I was saving this for awhile for someone, but I need it!

 

[ShariR]

She is looking for a pissing contest. I say refuse to play. She is not a very good writer. And loves to drop names. I never heard of her and the people I hang with who vape some of the best juice made by anyone have never mentioned her, so she is a nobody. Treat her as such and maybe she will go away.

Like it was said before: DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS !!!

part three

Mike Coughlin Humble juice maker eh? You sound smug as hell to me.
19 minutes ago · Unlike · 1
Lisa Hinerman Oh geeze.... lol enjoy your supposed reason to be angry & lash out. My intention is to help someone who may have an allergy that is detouring them from vaping... and avoid bad information being given them that might detour them from actually successfully quitting smoking. Saying that juices with higher VG content are of less flavor is a lie. If you said most VG based juices have less flavor, you might be correct. If you said VG doesn't taste like chemicals, I'd certainly agree. Please don't make false statements.

There are juice makers who use PG & know how to steep that chemical flavor away before bottling. One... is Murdock Ruml. He's a fantastic juice maker!

What I can reveal is that not using PG in your juice greatly reduces the life span of the juice itself. That is why it is so widely used by almost every juice maker. It is a preservative. It is in most flavorings as a carrier.





I have yet to answer, anybody want to play?

 

[Karen N Daytona]

I finished it, so I am done with her. I won't comment on her again there, not to say I won't say that I don't think much of her here. I am entitled to that.

The original OP on the thread just apologized, I just told him he had nothing to apologize for he did nothing wrong and had every right to ask questions

other than that I am done with that thread in that group and perhaps that group, if she is a member. I liked that group because it was noobs and one of the sponsors is a new vendor that offered to help me out when I lost the Itaste VV V3 (oofered to send me one, and wait for payment, I refused the offer but feel he is a good person and want him to do well). It isn't a big deal if I don't go back there, I have enough to keep me busy. Contest groups that can keep me busy trying to win something.

 

[aikanae1]

You can't let ppl affect you like that. Does it make sense to have a hundred interactions with ppl and then one person ruin the whole thing? They don't deserve that much power. You owe it to the rest of the good ppl there to be more important. Besides, that's the fast track to burning yourself out when you give up all the good experiences to a person from BFE.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

this was the finale


Lisa Hinerman Again Karen Levine Medvedeff, I'm not here to win clients. I posted to actually attempt to help with the real issue... which happens to be the lump in Nathan Boyer's throat when he vapes.

I just happened to have seen that you gave some bad information about VG. That is all. I'm not here being arrogant. I can't believe you're so worked up & feel that continuous insults will somehow make your false statement true. Please stop harassing me & trolling this post demanding I change my reply. Have you changed your initial false statement? No, you haven't. There's no reason to change mine... if yours is still totally untrue.
25 minutes ago via mobile · Like
Karen Levine Medvedeff Hold on, I see what you are doing, you attack and then try to play the victim, Please don't catch me up in your drama.

 

[Topdogie01]

You probably felt more angry than your post sounded. I have that problem too, although it's not a bad problem to have. I have written what I think is a scathing response to someone, only to read it later and wonder how I managed to sound so calm. I think it's our customer service background. We're just better at communicating our "dissastisfaction" without sounding witchy.

Can never get it out of me, it's ingrained! LOL I was expert in escalated resolution. My writing skills may have waned, but the ideology hasn't suffered.

I worked in customer support also, I was escalated tickets and end of the line for escalation, only if you had a billing problem that I wasn't supposed to change was I to involve a manager. I am pretty good at wording "you are an idiot" to sound nice, and when having to call customer support finding ways fo politely insult them when they are wrong without them figuring out I am insulting them. I then immediately call back and ask to speak with quality department to flag last person for a review of my last phone call, where they yell and most of the time curse while I never raise my voice or use bad words.