Yes I still Smoke Cigarettes and I am addicted to the smoking habit - support and chat thread.

[loxmythe]

Good morning everyone

Cold weather and health issues both suck but seasons change and hopefully health improves. Good luck Alissa.

Karen I'd call her out to disclose her ingredients. 100% vg for real? Or is she using another carrier for flavor? True 100 vg? Not if your using alcohol or another base in your flavoring your not really 100 vg are you?
I've never really noticed a lot of a flavor loss with vg but it's there and I tweak my flavor % up. Keep in mind Bobas is 40% flavor.
I'm always leery of vendors being confrontational. I'm in business over 25 years and I've never had a problem showing a customer (politely) where or why they're wrong without name calling or rudeness. Facts are facts - opinions are opinions. Ask for facts.
Facebook is a different world. I don't know why they call it that - I guarantee people wouldn't say that crap to my face. Should be called trollbook IMO.

 

[FinallyQuit]

Good morning everyone! Was late for work today, fun times, so playing catch up. Only the 3 people with children already out of school came to work on time today. Had no more frozen pipes thank goodness, kept every faucet dripping including the hot one. Hope it warms up today. Really hate to see my power bill for this month.

Good wishes for everyone to survive this mess and stay safe and warm out there. Shari still praying your house can be fixed quickly!

Lox, Trollbook, you should definitely start a social network and name it that! I don't do FB or any other social network because I have enough arguments already! Karen I'm sorry that witch hurt your feelings, I think you will bounce back quickly, we all know you're a gem!

 

[Karen N Daytona]

good morning! I hope you all have a wonderful day!


this morning I had another Facebook treat! a PM not initiated by me.Some guy I don't know

5 hours ago
You shouldn't give bad advise on vaping for newbs. People giving advise like you and saying this is what's wrong and VG has less flavor, you told false truths. You should have said that that was your experience with theme instead you presented it like it was the truth, which by the way it's not. Any good juice maker knows you up your flavorings a bit but it has better flavor IMHO because the chemical taste and smell is gone and any scratchy ness is usually from PG except for some tart flavorings. You owe that Nathan guy an apology for giving bad info.

14 minutes ago
I'll ignore your mistake, because we have a wonderful mutual friend, go back and read what I wrote, I only mentioned it once, and as my experience! Please leave me alone, I did nothing wrong!

Other than harass people who correct your mistake

you are rude too leave me alone! do you think it nice to say people are liars? you belong woth her troll and harass me! go away sir. I am disappointed that you are associated with my friend

You called my friend a liar so who is a hypocrite
I an disappointed in you period

I never did go away or I will repot you
report

I have done nothing wrong so go ahead. Goodbye

I did not initiate this pm goodbye

I did to inform you you're passing along false info

I don't agree from my experience!!!!!!!!!!!!
byeee

I sent your message into Facebook and reported you
Chat Conversation End


now my original post:
Karen Levine Medvedeff Always try to stay around 50/50 and work more toward higher VG it is less irritating. You will lose a little flavor, try to find vendors that either offer extra flavor or that are known for full flavor.

 

[Erised]

Good Morning (almost afternoon)!

FQ and Shari I'm so sorry to hear about both of your pipes bursting ... it beyond sucks. And Shari I'm worried about how safe you are with the damage being to your second floor ... I hope you continue to check in as time permits.

I'm having another day off that isn't a day off really ... several hours of work to do for my regular job, housework and shopping to catch up on, and I'm also taking a genetics course so I need to fit some studying time in (somewhere!).

 

[Erised]

good morning! I hope you all have a wonderful day!


this morning I had another Facebook treat! a PM not initiated by me.Some guy I don't know

Karen, people like that really aren't worth your time to reply to ... it upsets you, and the more upset you get the happier they get -- they feed off of it. If you feel you really have to reply just send them this pic and then iggy them --they should get the message.

 

[Jman8]

good morning! 5 hours ago
You shouldn't give bad advise on vaping for newbs. People giving advise like you and saying this is what's wrong and VG has less flavor, you told false truths. You should have said that that was your experience with theme instead you presented it like it was the truth, which by the way it's not. Any good juice maker knows you up your flavorings a bit but it has better flavor IMHO because the chemical taste and smell is gone and any scratchy ness is usually from PG except for some tart flavorings. You owe that <snip> guy an apology for giving bad info.

I'm still curious what you originally said cause I'm not seeing that in post #22704?

IMO, the facts (about VG/flavoring) don't matter as much as the part that I bolded above. All the rest strikes me as bravado playing out.

Also, I would suggest if posting dialogue / conversation from Facebook to ECF, to add in line breaks and to change the names of people, or simply just present initials. Facebook is Facebook cause those who participate there are okay posting internet commentary with actual name and actual photos of their person (hence the idea of 'face to face' conversation) within a closed group or social network. At least that's my understanding of it. ECF, like just about every other forum I've been on, allows for most members to not disclose real name, nor have real picture of themselves presented. Of course, there are exceptions to the general rule when it comes to Facebook.

Far more importantly, if wish to de-escalate the drama in this conversation, you gotta de-escalate it within yourself on this matter. You do this by walking away / not feeding what looks a little like a troll or you find out what you said to start all this and post updated thoughts on that (hopefully being honest with yourself foremost). As I've been down this road more times than I care to count, sometimes honesty will result in, "yeah, I actually like the drama."

 

[Karen N Daytona]

finally got my Provari! yeah!

 

[Jman8]

Shari, I'm hoping the repair to damages to your house go smoothly and quickly. Reading your posts on the damages and immediate aftermath (mess) was disheartening. Sending all the blessings I can to help with the situation going forward.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

I'm still curious what you originally said cause I'm not seeing that in post #22704?

IMO, the facts (about VG/flavoring) don't matter as much as the part that I bolded above. All the rest strikes me as bravado playing out.

Also, I would suggest if posting dialogue / conversation from Facebook to ECF, to add in line breaks and to change the names of people, or simply just present initials. Facebook is Facebook cause those who participate there are okay posting internet commentary with actual name and actual photos of their person (hence the idea of 'face to face' conversation) within a closed group or social network. At least that's my understanding of it. ECF, like just about every other forum I've been on, allows for most members to not disclose real name, nor have real picture of themselves presented. Of course, there are exceptions to the general rule when it comes to Facebook.

Far more importantly, if wish to de-escalate the drama in this conversation, you gotta de-escalate it within yourself on this matter. You do this by walking away / not feeding what looks a little like a troll or you find out what you said to start all this and post updated thoughts on that (hopefully being honest with yourself foremost). As I've been down this road more times than I care to count, sometimes honesty will result in, "yeah, I actually like the drama."

Facebook is public, I did post my original comment, and I am done with it, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jman8]

Facebook is public, I did post my original comment, and I am done with it, thank you!!!!!!!!!!!

Your group on Facebook is public for all to see?
My apologies, but I didn't see the original comment in the post I noted before.
If is public, then I'd be somewhat interested in seeing the dialogue for myself.
But if you are truly done with it, then doesn't really matter. I'll be okay without it.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Your group on Facebook is public for all to see?
My apologies, but I didn't see the original comment in the post I noted before.
If is public, then I'd be somewhat interested in seeing the dialogue for myself.
But if you are truly done with it, then doesn't really matter. I'll be okay without it.

she removed all her comments this morning, so then I did. they ARE POSTED HERE I will not remove them from here


yes, that is an open group: Vaping for Newbs

 

[Jman8]

yes, that is an open group: Vaping for Newbs

Thanks. Found it!

 

[Karen N Daytona]

I'm still curious what you originally said cause I'm not seeing that in post #22704?

IMO, the facts (about VG/flavoring) don't matter as much as the part that I bolded above. All the rest strikes me as bravado playing out.

Also, I would suggest if posting dialogue / conversation from Facebook to ECF, to add in line breaks and to change the names of people, or simply just present initials. Facebook is Facebook cause those who participate there are okay posting internet commentary with actual name and actual photos of their person (hence the idea of 'face to face' conversation) within a closed group or social network. At least that's my understanding of it. ECF, like just about every other forum I've been on, allows for most members to not disclose real name, nor have real picture of themselves presented. Of course, there are exceptions to the general rule when it comes to Facebook.

Far more importantly, if wish to de-escalate the drama in this conversation, you gotta de-escalate it within yourself on this matter. You do this by walking away / not feeding what looks a little like a troll or you find out what you said to start all this and post updated thoughts on that (hopefully being honest with yourself foremost). As I've been down this road more times than I care to count, sometimes honesty will result in, "yeah, I actually like the drama."

I also want to point out, I have never had a problem here on ECF or on Facebook, ever. She trolled to get business for herself, plain and simple. I truly had nothing to gain.

I am not that type of Drama Queen. I prefer to live my life peacefully, I have fun here in this group and simply was trying to help someone out in that group. My statements prior to all of this were obviously my experience. You simply don't know me well enough, yet.

 

[Claudia P]

Hi everyone, I'm celebrating! It is actually above freezing here. YAY!

 

[Jman8]

I also want to point out, I have never had a problem here on ECF or on Facebook, ever. She trolled to get business for herself, plain and simple. I truly had nothing to gain.

I don't see her trolling for business. Sorry.

I am not that type of Drama Queen. I prefer to live my life peacefully, I have fun here in this group and simply was trying to help someone out in that group. My statements prior to all of this were obviously my experience. You simply don't know me well enough, yet.

My statement about "I actually like drama" was about me.

I do think if you had originally said in FB group, "may lose flavor" and added in an IMO, then LH would've had a lot less gusto to her commentary. IMO, she's a juice maker that is simply tired of vapers claiming VG has little to no taste when compared to PG, while also a fellow human concerned for the OP of that thread, as you are. Both of you are actually on the same side in the long run.

 

[Karen N Daytona]

yes but saying they are lies is not nice, as I responded she only had to change her wording

I don't pick and choose my words so if you read it, you see I was talking about my experience, it wasn't necessary to say IMO

either way whats done is done

 

[Jman8]

yes but saying they are lies is not nice, as I responded she only had to change her wording

I don't pick and choose my words so if you read it, you see I was talking about my experience, it wasn't necessary to say IMO

either way whats done is done

I very much hear what you're saying and am responding again because you said awhile back to let you know where you were wrong. I don't see it as she's right you're wrong. IMO, her comment along lines of "check out who I am before you argue with me" is humorous, and would've made me want to argue with her for no other reason but that.

I don't think it is "lies" what you said, but do see it as akin to saying (in a whole different dialogue): "you can try vaping, but you will crave cigarettes when you do." And then go on to advocate for dual use. Then having a whole other group of vapers say, that I'm lying by saying you will crave smoking, rather than pointing that out as my personal experience.

Thing missing from the above paragraph is you stated umpteen other things that I see as willingness to help with OP's stated problem and all that seems to be tossed aside by one who has grievance with one tiny aspect of what you chose to say. At same time, if you did update to say, "you may lose flavor" it would read better, IMO. Just like previous paragraph would read better if I say, "you may crave cigarettes." I think audience does matter, and if on public forum, word choice does become a little bit more important.

YMMV

 

[jessermay]

I've been wondering about them too. So many of our regulars have disappeared. It's a shame. Haven't seen jessermay or Dawn either. It would be nice to hear from everyone.

Hi!!! I'm still alive! It was getting so hard for me to keep up with you all & I've taken a little break from internet in general. I miss you all ! I'm gonna try & stop in more often. I'm catching up on a couple pages in here. How is everyone doing?

 

[Karen N Daytona]

I guess it is all an individual's perspective, as I said, I don't pick and choose words that carefully. I have enough trouble not having typos. I guess I will retire from helping people if that is what it takes, I don't need anybody else to aggravate me. I get enough of that at home.

It isn't worth the trouble.


I'll stick to having fun with my friends. if we talk vaping in the future, anything I say is in my experience

 

[Karen N Daytona]

Hi!!! I'm still alive! It was getting so hard for me to keep up with you all & I've taken a little break from internet in general. I miss you all ! I'm gonna try & stop in more often. I'm catching up on a couple pages in here. How is everyone doing?

missed you! glad to see you hope all is well!

I'm as good as I can be, lots for you to read so chat first when you can, read little bits later!