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Well, I am back from the funeral. It was very uplifting, depressing and sad all at the same time. His wife spoke for over 20 minutes and it was a beautiful picture of his life. There was a reception afterwards, but we did not go because we did not know a lot of the people and he has a large family. I will visit with his wife later this week, when it calms down a little for her.
As sad as I am, I have not had a cigarette. One of his sons has an ego setup that he got off Amazon. But he is smoking now. I told him to give me a call when he is ready to try it again and I will hook him up with ECF and a better source of supplies.
And I agree with you all posting earlier. Everyone's addiction to cigarettes is as different as everyone's addiction is to drugs or alcohol, or food. We all smoked for different reasons. They all end up looking the same because most people go through similar major life experiences over the course of decades; marriages, births, divorces, job loss, stress, deaths and various health issues. I do believe that there is a bit of willpower in the quitting equation, but it is minimal. There is a bit of willpower in everything, except for maybe going to the bathroom.
As sad as I am, I have not had a cigarette. One of his sons has an ego setup that he got off Amazon. But he is smoking now. I told him to give me a call when he is ready to try it again and I will hook him up with ECF and a better source of supplies.
And I agree with you all posting earlier. Everyone's addiction to cigarettes is as different as everyone's addiction is to drugs or alcohol, or food. We all smoked for different reasons. They all end up looking the same because most people go through similar major life experiences over the course of decades; marriages, births, divorces, job loss, stress, deaths and various health issues. I do believe that there is a bit of willpower in the quitting equation, but it is minimal. There is a bit of willpower in everything, except for maybe going to the bathroom.
Hi Shari,
I'm glad to hear you're doing OK...emotional stuff is the worst for me. You're so caring (re: your neighbor's son), I hope he does come to you when he's ready to start up again. You have way more experience in your 1 month than I have in 5! You will be a great resource for him.
Even that, for some!
I'm glad to hear you're doing OK...emotional stuff is the worst for me. You're so caring (re: your neighbor's son), I hope he does come to you when he's ready to start up again. You have way more experience in your 1 month than I have in 5! You will be a great resource for him.
Even that, for some!
Dale I did not know it was your birthday! Happy happy Birthday!!!!!! Now I am going to try some pictures, let's see.
There. Happy birthday again. Hope you get to celebrate properly.
(Boy, there are a lot of graphics to look through and not many appropriate ones. I could have looked for hours, I hope you like this one.)
Well, you were not supposed to get two birthday cakes, but the other pretty flowers and birds one I found keeps putting that same birthday cake back in, so I guess you are getting two birthday cakes. Enjoy, but don't eat it all at one sitting.
There. Happy birthday again. Hope you get to celebrate properly.
(Boy, there are a lot of graphics to look through and not many appropriate ones. I could have looked for hours, I hope you like this one.)
Well, you were not supposed to get two birthday cakes, but the other pretty flowers and birds one I found keeps putting that same birthday cake back in, so I guess you are getting two birthday cakes. Enjoy, but don't eat it all at one sitting.
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Alisa, I really think you are on the right track now. As your thyroid meds start working better and your dr gets you up to the right dosage, maybe some of those "other" health issues will start to go away. Or you will be well enough for them to be addressed too. I think you are going to start feeling like a new woman in the next month or so. This is wonderful developements. And you know you can work with the smoking and vaping as you heal. Yeah Alisa!
Long story kinda short: I was having serious issues with taking my thyroid in the morning as instructed; within 2 hours, I was essentially worthless; brain fog to the point of not knowing what words to use in conversation, practically passing out, extreme muscle weakness and slow impulse response, complete inability to mentally focus...just plain miserable. This would last until 2-3 in the afternoon, so essentially the entire workday. My doc said this isn't a normal reaction to thyroid meds, but said that even though it's likely to have something to do with impaired adrenal response there was nothing she could do to address it until my thyroid was more stable.
I quickly realized that this was unacceptable -- I work in a very fast paced office, and I wear a lot of hats, so I have to be "on" and extremely highly productive all day. This wasn't going to work for me. So for 3 days I tried taking it at night before bed which worked great for the workday but apparently put me back into some bad symptoms while sleeping. I was experiencing the obstructive sleep apnea I had before starting the thyroid, enough that I had to be awakened every night because it sounded like I was dying (apparently--I was completely unaware).
So I thought going back to the morning routine will be better and maybe my body had gotten used to the thyroid by now...so Wednesday I started doing the morning thing. Same reaction as before but lasted from 8:30 AM until 4:30PM.
I had read that adrenals can be supported with a stress-B complex vitamin, and I have 2 half-used bottles of that on hand. So Friday morning I took my thyroid and when I got to work about 2 hours later took the B-complex. We had our 2 hour meeting, and I was doing OK. By the end of the meeting, I felt great and could handle the whole workday with only very slightly compromised mental function. All of the other issues were non-existent, and I only felt slightly tired, like I could have used a little more sleep.
So I'm going to follow this protocol until my appointment on the 22nd and see if that's the missing link in my feeling better. Hopefully the doc will suggest more thyroid as my progress seems to have plateau'd on that front, and we'll go over the other lab work to see if there is more I can do to help things move along.
This little epiphany about the B complex has been a huge step forward for me, psychologically.
My sentiments too...I never really know of anything better to say, if at all, than my thoughts/prayers are with those who are suffering.
I think that a lot of ex-smokers and non-smokers who haven't had to deal with underlying mental/physical issues really have no clue how hard it really is.
If you look at my banner, I started vaping at the end of March. I quit smoking immediately after, and it was "easy". I was amazed. 3 weeks later, my SO of over 20+ years and I had decided that it was best if he leave, and a few days prior to that I had a final meeting with a bankruptcy attorney to lay out my plan to file. I had previously had excellent credit and was current on on my bills, but 3 years prior lost 1/2 my income due to the construction crash and have never been able to recover enough to pay my debts back. It would take me 30 years to do it, and at less than any of my creditors were willing to accept.
So that was what triggered my first "relapse". I started vaping exclusively again after 2 weeks. My SO and I worked out our issues as best as can be done. I am still in a holding pattern with filing BK due to some dumb financial decisions I made at the beginning of the year when I thought I would be able to handle my situation better. Within a month starting to vape exclusively, I was having what I thought were allergy issues with juice. It got to the point where I could not vape any of the 30 or so juices I had. But I dealt with it by using antihistamines for nearly 60 days.
Then I got progressively worse, sicker, and finally went to a doctor who diagnosed me with severe auto-immune hypothyroidism (Hashimoto's). My theory is that quitting smoking put my hypo into full-swing (the smoking having repressed the production of the thyroid antibodies), and that the auto-immune response is what has been giving me the "allergic reactions" since I quit smoking. So for 2 weeks now, I have been smoking, vaping, and snussing to try to get what my body is craving to feel well again. I am smoking more than the other two--mostly because my subconscious is trying to convince me that I will feel better if I do, even if I don't, and because I am too exhausted to fight the urge to do it. To be honest, the snussing and vaping do make me feel better than smoking but it's really hard to fight a 30 year old reflex when you're sick.
I intend to try vaping exclusively again once I get more regulated; I have no doubt that I will be able to completely quit smoking once that happens. But the feeling of knowing it can be done (since I did it twice before) is sort of gnawing at me and making me feel inadequate.
Quitting smoking has NOT been a very good experience for me and I'm a bit ...... about it.
Yay! Another eRoll convert...first Thaya and now Claudia. I concur--the eRoll is a different kind of e-cig. Certainly doesn't work for everyone, but I credit mine for my 24 hour quit time the first time around. I haven't used mine in about a month now, maybe I should give it a go again.
I pretty much agree with a lot of what you said. I would beat myself up all the time for not being able to quit. Was I weak, lack willpower, why can't I do this when so and so did, I heard it all the time to. To the point it was starting to make me feel inadequate as a person. And madder than h_ll at myself for not having more self control. There is more to this than meets the eye.
I've tried quitting thousands of times and shamed because I haven't. My own personal dissapointment with myself can be crushing. Now I realize that successfully quitting didn't have all that much to do with willpower or motivation on my end when I wasn't able to "just quit" like they were able to.
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Congratulations again Claudia, sounds like you are on your way!Good morning everyone.
The jitters never hit last night at all so now it has been over 36 hours since my last cigarette.
Yes!!!
Welcome to the NutHouse Karen, we are glad to have you
{{{{{{Lori}}}}}} Still praying for you & Bill.Getting ready to go to the hospital. They put him in ICU. Not sure why. Admitting doctor did not call for a consult from either his kidney dr or oncologist. Apparently we got a overachiever.
Thank you for being a supportive husband
Oh help mercy! You found outWhat??? It's Dales Birthday? Well, then...
Thank youDale I did not know it was your birthday! Happy happy Birthday!!!!!! Now I am going to try some pictures, let's see.
There. Happy birthday again. Hope you get to celebrate properly.
I hope you like this one.)
Enjoy, but don't eat it all at one sitting.
Just two for now! Thank you ShariHello all, I've been having a party all day with fourteen family & friends
It was great!
Hello all! The children have shopped me into submission. We have jeans and shoes, we had tears and nosebleeds, we had arguments and threats. We had bacon and cheddar fries and it all got better!
I'm home again, and I HAVE to start on some of the chores! I'm turning on Pandora and turning it up really loud, hopefully the work will pass by with the least amount of pain.
Dale, sneaky to not tell us about your b-day! And Lori, saw your news, here's another hug. The prayers are unceasing. Shari, what a hard day for you!
I'll check back in later!
I'm home again, and I HAVE to start on some of the chores! I'm turning on Pandora and turning it up really loud, hopefully the work will pass by with the least amount of pain.
Dale, sneaky to not tell us about your b-day! And Lori, saw your news, here's another hug. The prayers are unceasing. Shari, what a hard day for you!
I'll check back in later!
Shari everyone else in the itaste coop says the evods work fine for them. Maybe I just need to fiddle with them
How much time are you getting off one charge on that 800mah itaste battery. I am vaping pretty heavy right now. I am getting less than a full day off my 1300mah spinner currently. If I go through the battery in 4-5 hours I have to decide if it is worth it right now or hold out for that VTR or something that is going to give me the hours.
Good to hear about the Evods on it though. Let me know your bat life, ok?
It did and it was delicious!
Thank you all very much, I really wasn't planning anything today but DH had other plans!Happy Birthday Dale!
Sounds like I need an E-Roll!
One of my pet peeves is that I've been ostracized before because I'ved smelled like smoke. Not that I've smoked in front of them or that my clothes were dirty, or I had a smoke on the way there. This has affected me in a number of areas that were outside of frendships. It's just the whole attitude. Seeing that silly study apx a month ago about third party smoke being dangerous (i.e. smoke on clothes) just added to the slow burn.
I've known some heavy-set people, and over the years, observed that many of them have more willpower in their little pinky than a lot of people would ever have to conjure up in a lifetime when I've watched them diet and deal with weight loss. Obviously, it's not just about food, and it's not due to lack of willpower or any weakness in character or even lack of motivation. I've known a few that were so miserable about how they looked, they've put their lives on the line. Maybe that's a little TOO motivated.
It just doesn't make sense when I think about it and the more I think about it, the less "forgiving" I am about accepting it. They are blaming the victims for their (research and policy) failures. They basically did this with the RYO industry, closing down thousands of small business' and made it near impossible to obtain tobacco through small business, outside of BT and lacking in all their wonderful chemicals.
I'm rambling and I'm going to stop here.
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Dale. Big hugs happy birthday. So glad I saw this. I would hate to miss your birthday~
Oh Lori & Thay, you guys are so sweet ... all of you
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Pretty good looking family you've got there Dale. You are a lucky woman. And they are lucky to have you. Don't think I have seen a pic of you without the little one in your arms!
Oh Lori & Thay, you guys are so sweet ... all of you
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What a great looking bunch! I'm sure you're so proud of them all.
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