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I picked it up from Hoosier E-Cig Supply for $2.39 (XXXL Clear Dual Coil). It's a .....in' carto, kicks out a ton of vapor and flavor, but it's quite a bit hotter than the Boge 2.0 ohm cartos I've been using and really hits me in the throat sometimes. First carto I've used that's made me cough. Of course the remedy for that is to take shorter drags, since vapor is about the same whether I take a long or short drag (as far as I can tell).
Everybody is different though, and it's not bad by any means. If you're interested in it, pick one up, it's only $2 lost if you don't like it. The only thing I really don't like about it is that it looks like crap on my black KGO, and if I try a dual coil big boy again it'll be the Ego Mega Dual Coil since it will cover the cone threads and look a bit better. I think a tank is next on the list though.
Everybody is different though, and it's not bad by any means. If you're interested in it, pick one up, it's only $2 lost if you don't like it. The only thing I really don't like about it is that it looks like crap on my black KGO, and if I try a dual coil big boy again it'll be the Ego Mega Dual Coil since it will cover the cone threads and look a bit better. I think a tank is next on the list though.
I am only 20 and have made the switch to full time vaping. Smoked for about 6 years since I was 14 and its been a PAD for at least 4 years. I have been vaping for almost 2 months and completely analog free as of Sunday night! As well as OP I cycle as well (oddly enough I as well have a 2.1 hahaha), have noticed that I can breath a bit better already and don't feel so blah and groggy in the mornings.
Plumes and Chaos, you have really really gained my attention!! Your conversation has been the most interesting thing I've read all year. Keep going! I have little knowledge in philosophy and what not but I think I'd like to
Awesome! grats on makin' the decision to quit smoking early on. It'll save you on those long rides. I was gettin' these tremors 'n weird unbalanced feeling after even a 20 mile ride. . and chest pain. Since I quit smoking most of the symptoms have cleared away. I might even have a chance to compete now.
An incessant, almost relentless urge to satisfy the curiosity of the mind is the first step to gettin' into deep philosophical inquiry. Take things that we "know" to be real and question them to absurdity like René Descartes did with doubt and existence. What is knowledge? free will? emotion? morality? what is sight? sound? taste? what is space? matter? time? nothingness? infinite? Who are we, why are we? How do we really know?
The advent of my philosophical journey came as sort of an existential crisis after some very profound derealizations I had while taking psilocybin. Once you get to the point of saying, "wait, why is this?" about pretty much everything you once thought to be true, then you can really get into some seriously complicated and wonderful things.
what I did with physics was start at the most current research and then worked my way back to the foundation. To me physics and philosophy are symbiotic. You'll soon discover that some of the riddles that puzzled the ancient philosophers are still just as perplexing today. I'll send you some cool links when I get back home tonight (at work now, *whoops* hehe)
I think I've found the video I was speaking of earlier. Here it is:
http://www.ted.com/talks/antonio_damasio_the_quest_to_understand_consciousness.html
http://www.ted.com/talks/antonio_damasio_the_quest_to_understand_consciousness.html
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Chaos do wonders dont they hehe but theres a strict rule on these here forums :X
What i got from something more joe-rogan style was that we walk the earth without purpose consuming everything within reach and as humans we are born into a self destructing society.
What i got from something more joe-rogan style was that we walk the earth without purpose consuming everything within reach and as humans we are born into a self destructing society.
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Existentialism with a destructive twist. We are gears in a seemingly meaningless machine built for the sole purpose of being built, being present, and we are unlubed, and full of sand, and grit and we will continue to consume energy and resources until we break down. 
SO screw it, lets party?
SO screw it, lets party?
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Then there is the theory that our Universe was created by accident, a complete mistake. We have a nanny universe that watches over us. They take good care to keep us safe, because it is essentially the beings within that universe who accidentally created ours. Maybe it was through particle acceleration research? Perhaps they were attempting to research something similar to the laws of string theory, which we are just beginning to research in our own universe. Or maybe they were experimenting with understanding different dimensions. The scary thing is, that is exactly what we have recently begun. We now have the large hadron-collider, which, (from what I've read, and I'm not positive about this) has a miniscule, but very interesting capability, of accidentally recreating a big bang scenario within our own universe, which would in effect destroy our own. Somehow our mother universe was able to contain our own universe, and we may pale in size comparison, but there IS a possibility that this "universe" as we like to call it, was created by a higher being. Our consciousness comes out of living within this universe. We are incapable of comprehending anything outside the limits of our own universe. We are in effect stunted and unable to comprehend anything further than our limits.. Perhaps we do not live in a place that had an eternal nature, we may live in a secondary world.
I sometimes like to think about how organic and rare we truly (or.. not) are. We like to think about aliens but I don't think we can even begin to imagine what aliens might be like. We know of the EARTH'S elements, the Earths proteins and building blocks, the Molecules, the Atoms, the Quarks, the Energy String Vibrations that create all of these things. We came out of these things. We know nothing different from these things. We would not be here breathing air if air weren't present. Right? We wouldn't be breathing air, we wouldn't have developed lungs TO breath air, because we wouldn't have had to. Perhaps air is not needed for life elsewhere? Is this possible? (and this is where you do research) Perhaps WATER isn't needed for life.. Is this possible? (Research) Perhaps we are only water based because water happens to be what was available to create beings.. on our particular sphere? Are there spheres where the animals drink and swim in kretomite? (made up word) Are there spheres where the beings breath Barboktillec? (made up word) I like to think about what mass is, what mass weight and density really is, to us, and how it might differ from other parts of the universe. What if the mass we have here, weighs differently or is more, or less dense, than the majority of mass in another part of the universe? What if walking through our air would be likened to walking through a room filled to the ceiling with gelatin, to aliens? Is our gravity bone crushingly powerful as compared to an alien's home planet somewhere out there? Is there a planet 1000x the size of our sun, with aliens the size of our Earth, those space ship would pick our galaxy up in its dust filter without even being detected? Are we just a tiny dust spec in a grass field, just waiting to be stepped on?
But I really like to wonder, can the Universe contain other elements? Can it really contain elements exotic to our own Earth? Or rules that don't pertain here? My imagination really sparks when it comes to this sort of thing. A physicist would probably give me a great, interesting speech on why these things are impossible, or maybe why they are possible. I'm not trying to implement reality, and truth, into these imaginative thoughts, its always just for fun. If I want to be precise, and have everything coincide with what we know to be fact, I research. See how far your mind will go. See if you can "psych" yourself out. Enjoy that "psyched out" feeling. Does your brain literally feel a physical shock sensation, like mine, when I feel I've fallen deep into another rabbit hole? This is why we are here! We are designed to question everything! Use your minds! A great quote is "An unexamined life is NOT worth living!" And, if you'd like to be more precise and know the true possibilities, then research physics on the side. But always imagine, ponder, think!
I sometimes like to think about how organic and rare we truly (or.. not) are. We like to think about aliens but I don't think we can even begin to imagine what aliens might be like. We know of the EARTH'S elements, the Earths proteins and building blocks, the Molecules, the Atoms, the Quarks, the Energy String Vibrations that create all of these things. We came out of these things. We know nothing different from these things. We would not be here breathing air if air weren't present. Right? We wouldn't be breathing air, we wouldn't have developed lungs TO breath air, because we wouldn't have had to. Perhaps air is not needed for life elsewhere? Is this possible? (and this is where you do research) Perhaps WATER isn't needed for life.. Is this possible? (Research) Perhaps we are only water based because water happens to be what was available to create beings.. on our particular sphere? Are there spheres where the animals drink and swim in kretomite? (made up word) Are there spheres where the beings breath Barboktillec? (made up word) I like to think about what mass is, what mass weight and density really is, to us, and how it might differ from other parts of the universe. What if the mass we have here, weighs differently or is more, or less dense, than the majority of mass in another part of the universe? What if walking through our air would be likened to walking through a room filled to the ceiling with gelatin, to aliens? Is our gravity bone crushingly powerful as compared to an alien's home planet somewhere out there? Is there a planet 1000x the size of our sun, with aliens the size of our Earth, those space ship would pick our galaxy up in its dust filter without even being detected? Are we just a tiny dust spec in a grass field, just waiting to be stepped on?
But I really like to wonder, can the Universe contain other elements? Can it really contain elements exotic to our own Earth? Or rules that don't pertain here? My imagination really sparks when it comes to this sort of thing. A physicist would probably give me a great, interesting speech on why these things are impossible, or maybe why they are possible. I'm not trying to implement reality, and truth, into these imaginative thoughts, its always just for fun. If I want to be precise, and have everything coincide with what we know to be fact, I research. See how far your mind will go. See if you can "psych" yourself out. Enjoy that "psyched out" feeling. Does your brain literally feel a physical shock sensation, like mine, when I feel I've fallen deep into another rabbit hole? This is why we are here! We are designed to question everything! Use your minds! A great quote is "An unexamined life is NOT worth living!" And, if you'd like to be more precise and know the true possibilities, then research physics on the side. But always imagine, ponder, think!
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I imagine that any older folks venturing into this thread from the 55+ thread are facepalming at us youngsters' need to explore all possibilities. "Been there, done that, wasted enough time on it and damnit I'm finally happy to just be."
Honestly, after getting married, having kids, and getting off most of the mind altering substances I was on, I'm in that same boat, lol. Yes, every now and then I get to thinking about how absurd everything really is and my mind travels to the world of what ifs...and then I remember my 8 year old asking a string of 83 what if questions in a row on a daily basis and I cut myself off. I think I have come to accept that things right now are the way they are, in the past they were different, and in the future they will change...but I don't think I'm going to put a lot of effort into trying to predict what will be or go back to what was. The world of my own family is big enough and important enough that I tend not to get distracted with how expansive everything really is.
Honestly, after getting married, having kids, and getting off most of the mind altering substances I was on, I'm in that same boat, lol. Yes, every now and then I get to thinking about how absurd everything really is and my mind travels to the world of what ifs...and then I remember my 8 year old asking a string of 83 what if questions in a row on a daily basis and I cut myself off. I think I have come to accept that things right now are the way they are, in the past they were different, and in the future they will change...but I don't think I'm going to put a lot of effort into trying to predict what will be or go back to what was. The world of my own family is big enough and important enough that I tend not to get distracted with how expansive everything really is.
I am also at the point where I don't think about these things anymore. And I have also come to the conclusion that a tight family bond IS the world, IS each individual's universe. Sociology is another fascination of mine. I don't know, some make pondering these things a career, and some move on to accept. I have moved on to accept, but I still love to think and research when I don't have other higher priorities. A man with too many hobbies and little time management skill is similar to the man with no hobbies or interests at all... If I had the money, I'd go to school for sociology, or psychology, philosophy, analytics in these fields.. But I don't have any money. I can't even afford to keep a checking account open. So, for now, I will dream and do my little research online.
It is human nature to question, and philosophize... Becoming more apathetic toward learning the great mysteries of the world and of the universe in age is very common in today's time, I think because we as a people, are all so very busy and entertained by outside forces. In the time of Aristotle and Galileo, instead of TV, they stared into the night sky and thought about the relationship between the atoms in their bodies and the atoms of the moon. I think there is importance in maintaining your imagination. There is a certain bliss in ignorance at death, but I would rather have learned everything I could than lay dying, having only collected a vast memorization of Saved by the Bell quotes and which foods go with red wine. Life, to me, does seem a bit trivial without examination. Dying having not formed solid beliefs in what I am, where I am, and what death is, would fill me with an emptiness on my death bed and I wonder how many people experience this in today's times. Cosmology, philosophy, the mind, they all pose an importance in my life and make me feel like if I should die, I can die knowing I've used my time to learn. There is also the "Tuesdays with Morrie" type of thinking where sociology takes presidence over anything else, and relationships that you've made while alive become what you reflect on and savor at your time of death. I personally think I'd prefer a mix of both if I had to sit in a hospital knowing I'll probably be dying in my sleep tonight.
It is human nature to question, and philosophize... Becoming more apathetic toward learning the great mysteries of the world and of the universe in age is very common in today's time, I think because we as a people, are all so very busy and entertained by outside forces. In the time of Aristotle and Galileo, instead of TV, they stared into the night sky and thought about the relationship between the atoms in their bodies and the atoms of the moon. I think there is importance in maintaining your imagination. There is a certain bliss in ignorance at death, but I would rather have learned everything I could than lay dying, having only collected a vast memorization of Saved by the Bell quotes and which foods go with red wine. Life, to me, does seem a bit trivial without examination. Dying having not formed solid beliefs in what I am, where I am, and what death is, would fill me with an emptiness on my death bed and I wonder how many people experience this in today's times. Cosmology, philosophy, the mind, they all pose an importance in my life and make me feel like if I should die, I can die knowing I've used my time to learn. There is also the "Tuesdays with Morrie" type of thinking where sociology takes presidence over anything else, and relationships that you've made while alive become what you reflect on and savor at your time of death. I personally think I'd prefer a mix of both if I had to sit in a hospital knowing I'll probably be dying in my sleep tonight.
Not being religious, my belief structure is pretty simple and comes mainly from responsibility and family. If I stay out of legal trouble, support my family and friends in every way possible and strive to be the best person I can be, I'll be in pretty good shape at the end of my life. If on my death bed I can look back and see that through all the negatives that come inherently with growing and living I had a hand in affecting positive experiences in my children and my family and did everything I could for those who reached out to me for assistance of some kind, I will die a happy man. Not that death is something I ever care to think of when applied to myself or those close to me.
my belief structure is "I dont know, so why assume anything" i settle for not knowing, and embrace the fact that i never will know.
Am I curious? F* yes i am. But some things just cant be answered. The problem with mankind is that we HAVE to know the hows and whys to everything. We're all victim of it. Its the reason for our constant "advancements" which in the long long run..are just setting us back.
And as far as morals, I dont need a book telling me right and wrong. I have made mistakes since im only human, but mistakes with a lesson learned. Be good, and you'll get the most out of everything.
Am I curious? F* yes i am. But some things just cant be answered. The problem with mankind is that we HAVE to know the hows and whys to everything. We're all victim of it. Its the reason for our constant "advancements" which in the long long run..are just setting us back.
And as far as morals, I dont need a book telling me right and wrong. I have made mistakes since im only human, but mistakes with a lesson learned. Be good, and you'll get the most out of everything.
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I think I am in this exact same boat as you. I am still very curious, but I have stopped putting so much effort into trying to predict what I simply don't know, and don't have the information able to do so. Not that I don't question things, I most certainly do, a lot, as I am not a fan of status quo. It is just the amount of energy I choose to put into it isn't as great as when I was 18.
My biggest goal these days is trying to ensure I impact people in my life in a positive manner. I won't impact everyone, but if I can make some type of impact, I consider myself successful. OF course I also have career goals, but the biggies are a lot less about that and more about 'when I leave this world, did I somehow leave it a bit better than when I entered it". I am also not religious so my morals are set based on what I have learned and what I think is right, vs what I am told is right.
And like you, I don't sit around thinking about dying either, but I think this mindset we have is just a sign of maturity, and growing up, and life's experiences we have had leading us to this type of thinking. Not that I am saying those who spend a great deal of time philosophizing are immature, just at a different mindset which is perfectly a-ok too. If we didn't have that group of people we'd never progress as a society, so I am thankful for them. I personally just have grown to know what my limits are, in addition to what they not are and continue to stretch myself.
Out of all of the things I learned in school, life, etc to me the most valuable is 'energy follows thought' so by that I try to keep my energy focused on things that are positive and that I can impact, and put as little energy into things I absolutely cannot change (like mistakes made in the past, for example) as possible. Regret IMO is a first cousin to defeat.
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Anybody checking Id's? I thought I'd snoop and see what the youngsters were talking about. I will say this when you get up in your 70's you still feel about 25 in your mind and Spirit and only the body gets old. Also time goes by really really fast the older you get and as we get down toward the end of the trail you think wow if this is all there is to life it sure went fast. Personaly I believe we are only beginning and our Spirit seems young because it is and it has an eternity of life yet to go. Hope you didn't mind me butting in but I just couldn't resist. lol
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at 7000kbps on the fastest and most vast information systems data sharing network in the known universe, I'd rather use my internet connection to learn what we have learned and figured out thus far as humans, rather than laugh at cats with bad grammar wishing for "cheezbugahs." I'm sorry but I don't really see an excuse to not delve into the great science and thought theories of the world when you no longer need to sift through a 500 page book written in olde english. Everything is laid out for you. You want to know what created the Big Bang in the first place, you Google "What created The Big Bang" No excuses. You can learn virtually anything you'd like (that we have figured out, or have solid hypothesis for) Of course, if you are not interested, then your not interested. There was a time when I would literally feel bad for those not interested. Or a time when I would be writing a persuasive essay to you, trying to get you to see the light. But now that I am older, I understand that the older you get, the less you feel the urge to explore.. The more you feel like your own family is the most beautiful microcosm of the universe and its all you've got to worry about. I completely understand this, and I see this happening for myself. But, I hate to see people with no real knowledge of the Universe, never really went for self exploration, or looking inward on their own mind, or cosmology or philosophy or any of that. If all you've ever done is what was expected of you, then how will you ever learn who you are. If in middle age, you are switching between American Idol and The Biggest Loser... And you have got absolutely no idea, literally NO idea, what you are, who you are, why you are, why your here, what IS here, what is the point, etc etc.. Then I really worry for you because life is a ticking time-bomb and wasting it night after night on things like mindless entertainment based telivision shows, watching Dabid Huang sing everybody kung pow tonight is not going to make you feel confident in knowing that you know the truths, or its not going to help you as you age and worry about your life slipping away. Its not going to help you when your grandchildren come to you wanting to understand things, wanting to hear the "vast, and seasoned" knowledge you'ved picked up. I was brought up to believe that... Entertainment: Sex, Drugs, Movies, Violence, Shock&Awe, War... All of these things keep us occupied and worried, or on the edges of our seats, (Or.. Alternatively... Completely jaded toward it all, but still completely addicted) and you really miss out on gathering great knowledge. Now, I'd say great knowledge entails everything that Jammin and txtumbleweed have touched on, everything. I think that it is possible to be happy with what you know, but I hope that what you know is all that is great about doing the research I'm speaking of in the first place. I hope that none of my close friends end up having never researched into psychology and why they feel happy or why they feel sad, or philosophy and why we are what we are, or sociology and why we are loving and lying and dying, and religion and where we go afterwards. I feel like it is my job to promote research because I truly believe that many go through life never looking into any of this, and they die uncomfortably, or less comfortably than what is possible because of this. I don't know where I'm right, and where I'm wrong. I was raised by the interwebs and the interwebs taught me that there are plenty of institutions attempting to brainwash us into believing our only rout to happiness is through them, or our only rout to knowledge is through them, and thats wrong. My rout to happiness is learning and teaching and sharing and I hope ECF members reading this will take an hour out of their day to look up 5 questions about life, about death, about the universe, about anything, that they have gone without knowing because it never dawned on them that the internet CAN reveal great truths and theories. Fin.
txtumbleweed, I would have never guessed by the picture that you were in your 70s. Although, I am not great at guessing at age. I once knew a man whom I had always thought was in his late 40s, early 50s, and one of the last times I met with him, he actually told me that he was in his mid 80s and I was completely shocked. We are getting older, and we are staying healthier. I hope you make it well into the 100s. If the characters in the Old Testament lived well into their 200's, so can we.
txtumbleweed, I would have never guessed by the picture that you were in your 70s. Although, I am not great at guessing at age. I once knew a man whom I had always thought was in his late 40s, early 50s, and one of the last times I met with him, he actually told me that he was in his mid 80s and I was completely shocked. We are getting older, and we are staying healthier. I hope you make it well into the 100s. If the characters in the Old Testament lived well into their 200's, so can we.
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My post did come off as me having a lack of interest of knowledge. By all means, i do try to take in as much as possible. But i dont say i KNOW the big bang is real. I dont say i KNOW anything is real.
The urge to know answers seems to be how religions form. And opposing religious beliefs are how wars have started just about every time. yet, MY morals get questioned when i tell people i dont have a religion. Kind of ironic..isnt it. As far as i know, those who dont live by a book should be able to flaunt it as those who do.
Ive fallen down the rabbit hole before. but i dont take my knowledge obtained as strictly "Fact." I throw it in the possibilities bin.
The urge to know answers seems to be how religions form. And opposing religious beliefs are how wars have started just about every time. yet, MY morals get questioned when i tell people i dont have a religion. Kind of ironic..isnt it. As far as i know, those who dont live by a book should be able to flaunt it as those who do.
Ive fallen down the rabbit hole before. but i dont take my knowledge obtained as strictly "Fact." I throw it in the possibilities bin.
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weekend away from cyberspace and I miss all the good discussion. Fortunately for you all I am far too lazy to catch up
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