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Ferriric contains iron and is not as strong as Austenitic SS.
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Ferriric contains iron and is not as strong as Austenitic SS.
Just about every product that used to be made in this country and had a phenomenal following is gone. I just bought a 250.00 kitchen aide mixer with plastic gears. This product was one of the best for many years. You can even find them in resale shops still working after 30 years. JUst look at the reviews today. It is heartbreaking what this country has done to itself with nothing more than greed and hubris.
You get what you pay for.
If you're happy with cheap knock-offs of clones they'll provide
Or if you pay em a few cents extra for decent quality control they'll provide too.
Sure, there is enough unsavoury characters that have no qualms lacing baby milk with chemicals, aren't too picky about raw materials gathered from toxic dump sites, aren't above selling flavoured cardboard in breadcrumbs as pork chops and so on and so forth. But that kind of criminal greed isn't confined to China. Just read the local media. I'm sure you'll find the odd happenstance or twenty...
Value for money. Globalisation at kitchen table scale. I can shop as easily in China as I can at home or almost any other country in the world. So I can buy a cheap mod in China directly. I can buy the same cheap mod locally at a hefty mark-up. Or I can buy some domestically crafted stuff. But I am not going to buy a sawd-off length of threaded pipe for hundred of greenbacks just because it says 'made in....'. If you wanna wave the patriotism flag in my face, be ready to demonstratewhat sets your stuff apart from the Chinese stuff. And it better not be OEM gear made to order - in China...
If you're happy with cheap knock-offs of clones they'll provide
Or if you pay em a few cents extra for decent quality control they'll provide too.
Sure, there is enough unsavoury characters that have no qualms lacing baby milk with chemicals, aren't too picky about raw materials gathered from toxic dump sites, aren't above selling flavoured cardboard in breadcrumbs as pork chops and so on and so forth. But that kind of criminal greed isn't confined to China. Just read the local media. I'm sure you'll find the odd happenstance or twenty...
Value for money. Globalisation at kitchen table scale. I can shop as easily in China as I can at home or almost any other country in the world. So I can buy a cheap mod in China directly. I can buy the same cheap mod locally at a hefty mark-up. Or I can buy some domestically crafted stuff. But I am not going to buy a sawd-off length of threaded pipe for hundred of greenbacks just because it says 'made in....'. If you wanna wave the patriotism flag in my face, be ready to demonstratewhat sets your stuff apart from the Chinese stuff. And it better not be OEM gear made to order - in China...
The sad part is that you get cheap knockoffs in this country for a premium price. I get tired of hearing about China crap. The companies in this country set the specs/costs and the manufacturer makes the items to spec. The only problem here is we sell substandard products at a premium price to feather an out of control bottom line.
Your going to blame a whole country for a Manufacturers incompetence or greed?
Have you taken the time to Read the Crap ingredient listings of MOST USA Produced Dog food?
They are just as bad, but make the Kill time much greater. Kidney failures, liver failures, Heart issues. Almost all can be related back to Poor Diet.
Then you have the Designer Dog foods - Top quality, 18-23lbs. $79-$100+ per Bag.(Entrepreneurs)
Who's doing what?
But hey, at least they are American
Most of my vape gear is Chinese. Some authentic, some not. Only having a problem with one item, a Squape R clone.
My mods have all been great: Sigelei 100W, ipv1, Eleaf iStick, hana clone and MVP.
The Lemo is an authentic Chinese atty that works great and is well machined.
My mods have all been great: Sigelei 100W, ipv1, Eleaf iStick, hana clone and MVP.
The Lemo is an authentic Chinese atty that works great and is well machined.
China is not the only country to have issue with food supply chain contamination. In this country, 128,000 get sick every year and 3,000 people die from foodbourne illnesses.
But at least it's not China right?
Now I know that those foodbourne illness figures include preparation as well as manufacture, but still, before we start throwing the general 'if it's Chinese, it's crap' statements about, why don't we look at how many people we manage to kill per year because of manufacturing and food preparation failures.
"Ferric" means iron. And in terms of strengths ferritic SS usually stronger than non-magnetic SS.
For mech mods, I'd be cautious about chinese made ones. Not that I wouldn't use em, for me caution means checking to make sure they have proper vent holes for safety.
Overall really their quality issues (that I've encountered) are more about tolerances and threads than anything really dangerous. It's more about things fitting badly. A little cleaning, sometimes a little force, and the issues usually resolve themselves. When the US makes things for a reasonable price I'll buy em, as evidenced by me purchasing entirely US juices. I feel the price is justified based on the materials used and labor time.
Oh, question/comment: It was my understanding that steel of any kind is made of Iron with carbon added. Wouldn't that make any "stainless" steel contain at least some iron? After all...Stainless steel is just steel and chromium right? Wouldn't that make the components of stainless be Iron, carbon, chromium?
Overall really their quality issues (that I've encountered) are more about tolerances and threads than anything really dangerous. It's more about things fitting badly. A little cleaning, sometimes a little force, and the issues usually resolve themselves. When the US makes things for a reasonable price I'll buy em, as evidenced by me purchasing entirely US juices. I feel the price is justified based on the materials used and labor time.
Oh, question/comment: It was my understanding that steel of any kind is made of Iron with carbon added. Wouldn't that make any "stainless" steel contain at least some iron? After all...Stainless steel is just steel and chromium right? Wouldn't that make the components of stainless be Iron, carbon, chromium?
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When you look at China and complain just realize you are looking at the future of this country.
You are right.
But at the same time these variances means nothing for vaping gear with one single exception: screws for coils. But even these screws are bad not because variances in metal quality but because of choosing cheapest screws from cheapest supplier.
Yes, iron is the main component of SS. Addition of chromium and nickel (12-30% together) makes steel stainless.
Vaping is pretty new, so everyone is still learning. Even China. But since virtually everything else in this country is made there, things we all love and use everyday, things that are reliable and indispensable, I'm sure their quality, as well as ours, will only get better.
America was king of world manufacturing for a few decades. China is working toward that end now. Farmers are coming to the city to work in factories just like Americans did in the 30s and the 40s. We just got way too expensive for the world market and our companies looked around for a cheaper source of labor.
I have no problem with the quality of most Chinese products as long as there's an American company monitoring and riding herd on quality. Given the proper machinery any trained worker can produce a good product. They just need American (or Japanese or German) engineering and QC right there in the factory to make sure the product is made to spec.
My Chinese Epiphone guitars are just as pretty and accurate as my American Gibson. I have both and they both need a little fret work and adjustment when new unless you get the custom shop version that's finished up in the U.S. My Delta floor model table saw was made in China and assembled and finished in the U.S. It's dead nuts accurate and several hundred dollars less than its American twin. Nowhere on the table can you see light under a good straightedge.
It all depends on who's overseeing the work.
I have no problem with the quality of most Chinese products as long as there's an American company monitoring and riding herd on quality. Given the proper machinery any trained worker can produce a good product. They just need American (or Japanese or German) engineering and QC right there in the factory to make sure the product is made to spec.
My Chinese Epiphone guitars are just as pretty and accurate as my American Gibson. I have both and they both need a little fret work and adjustment when new unless you get the custom shop version that's finished up in the U.S. My Delta floor model table saw was made in China and assembled and finished in the U.S. It's dead nuts accurate and several hundred dollars less than its American twin. Nowhere on the table can you see light under a good straightedge.
It all depends on who's overseeing the work.
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Well,
I gotta tell you, Vape gear has changed the way I see the Chinese.
Let me preface this by letting you know I am a mechanical watch mechanic that is heavily involved with custom watches and vintage restorations.
I have railed about the Chinese in-ability to make a good CLEAN watch for the last twenty years. The perfect machining and cleanliness required to make accurate watches just escapes them to a great degree.
But, when it comes to vape gear, its a completely different story. For the most part everything I have vape is Chinese, cept for batteries and juice. And while none of it looks like it was made by a dedicated American or Swiss craftsman, that`s finished it by hand and held it to the most exacting standards, it is all very functional and fairly well finished. While I cant recommend Chinese watches in any any form or fashion, I can say that they have made me their Vape Friend and I do appreciate the energy and passing quality they put into their vape gear. I guess this all stands to reason since Vaping, as I understand it, was really a Chinese invention.
R
I gotta tell you, Vape gear has changed the way I see the Chinese.
Let me preface this by letting you know I am a mechanical watch mechanic that is heavily involved with custom watches and vintage restorations.
I have railed about the Chinese in-ability to make a good CLEAN watch for the last twenty years. The perfect machining and cleanliness required to make accurate watches just escapes them to a great degree.
But, when it comes to vape gear, its a completely different story. For the most part everything I have vape is Chinese, cept for batteries and juice. And while none of it looks like it was made by a dedicated American or Swiss craftsman, that`s finished it by hand and held it to the most exacting standards, it is all very functional and fairly well finished. While I cant recommend Chinese watches in any any form or fashion, I can say that they have made me their Vape Friend and I do appreciate the energy and passing quality they put into their vape gear. I guess this all stands to reason since Vaping, as I understand it, was really a Chinese invention.
R
America- Home of the "Free market."
When the Chinese can get you a good product at a better price, wouldn't it be un-American to buy the product with a worse quality-to-price ratio?
Unless of coarse you are buying with the intention of not buying again, even if so, US made is not the end all be all of quality.
When the Chinese can get you a good product at a better price, wouldn't it be un-American to buy the product with a worse quality-to-price ratio?
Unless of coarse you are buying with the intention of not buying again, even if so, US made is not the end all be all of quality.
Get an ibtanked carto tank from the good ol U.S of A would be my suggestion. 19mm is similar to a mini. Go here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/baditude/3318-3-ibtanked-pyrex-glass-tanks-review.html
As for Chinese vape gear well I used to use a bunch it doesnt really bother me. It just so happens my main tanks are from ib and I stopped using my Vamo when I got my provari. Location of manufacture doesnt bother me as long as the item has what I need, I like it and feel its quality. I like the Nautilus tank I got an MVP from my b a d m plus a Vamo I bought online and a slew of other cleorimizers.
As for Chinese vape gear well I used to use a bunch it doesnt really bother me. It just so happens my main tanks are from ib and I stopped using my Vamo when I got my provari. Location of manufacture doesnt bother me as long as the item has what I need, I like it and feel its quality. I like the Nautilus tank I got an MVP from my b a d m plus a Vamo I bought online and a slew of other cleorimizers.
Manufacturers will move production to wherever the costs (materials and labour) are cheapest, therefore maximising the end profit for their shareholders. It doesn't matter whether it's China, India, or the Philippines. It's what happens nowadays.
You don't trust products made in that country? Don't buy it, but expect your choice to be vastly reduced because of it.
You don't trust products made in that country? Don't buy it, but expect your choice to be vastly reduced because of it.
if i had money, i would drive american cars. not that buying the american car is so expensive, but what happens after my payment ends. i have heard american cars have improved recently, but i still don't feel good about them due to too much issues i have ran into sometime ago.
if i had money, i would buy authentic mods and attys. but since i don't, i buy chinese made ones. i don't mind little tweaking and making things to work as they should. as to the quality, i'm sure they are not up to the authentic items, but from what i have been reading, not too far from the authentic items. good enough for me at this point. i'm just starting out trying to quit smoking.
if i had money, i would buy authentic mods and attys. but since i don't, i buy chinese made ones. i don't mind little tweaking and making things to work as they should. as to the quality, i'm sure they are not up to the authentic items, but from what i have been reading, not too far from the authentic items. good enough for me at this point. i'm just starting out trying to quit smoking.
I haven't purchased a lot of mods, just the early eGo 650mah, The Riva (eGo clone), the Provari V2, and the Sigelei Zmax V3. All worked as advertised. The eGo's have been in a vaping junk box for a couple of years or more, but they still work when charged. The Provari hasn't let me down since I bought it 2 1/2 years ago and it's pretty much my daily vape. The Sigelei Zmax is a perfectly good VV/VW mod that could use a little tighter tolerances in the threading, but it works just fine aside from the cheap, bouncy fire switch, but it's a good dependable vape, also.
I have a box full of Chinese tanks from the plastic clearos to the Kanger Pro line and the Aerotank Mega. The Aspire line has always been good and I'm a fan of the Nautilus. I understand that my EHPro Kayfun 3.1 is of Chinese origin and it's a great RBA. Tanks flood and no one has created the ultimate design as of yet. They all have their own little personalities.
Since the first commercial mod hit the markets years ago, we are in the beginning stages of research and development for the ecig. Give it five, ten, or twenty years and the product will mature beyond our wildest expectations.
Right now, it's obvious from those who have tried tobacco company ecig products that their highly talented engineering crews haven't produced anything that makes us throw out our Chinese mods.
I have a box full of Chinese tanks from the plastic clearos to the Kanger Pro line and the Aerotank Mega. The Aspire line has always been good and I'm a fan of the Nautilus. I understand that my EHPro Kayfun 3.1 is of Chinese origin and it's a great RBA. Tanks flood and no one has created the ultimate design as of yet. They all have their own little personalities.
Since the first commercial mod hit the markets years ago, we are in the beginning stages of research and development for the ecig. Give it five, ten, or twenty years and the product will mature beyond our wildest expectations.
Right now, it's obvious from those who have tried tobacco company ecig products that their highly talented engineering crews haven't produced anything that makes us throw out our Chinese mods.
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