I hear ya... ... !!! WHY !!!!
I just don't understand... Maybe it has to do with a Certain age group..... All I can think of..
Chit.... I'm 43 and Trust me... It's not a lets be cool/ fit in factor..
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I hear ya... ... !!! WHY !!!!
I just don't understand... Maybe it has to do with a Certain age group..... All I can think of..
Chit.... I'm 43 and Trust me... It's not a lets be cool/ fit in factor..
The difference is that expressing our opinion is not the same as legislating that person's behavior.
I vape and was never a smoker. I am an a fidgety person. I work a lot and enjoy it. I used to do things like chew a whole pack of orbit gum a day, chew on straws or tap on things. I have been vaping for two years. I use juice with nicotine. It has a slight calming affect. If I dont have it I don't get irritable or care. I live in Michigan and nobody thinks its cool looking. My ex was a light smoker and I got her vapijg for 2 years now. I learned about vaping after my dad started. He has been vaping for 4 years after smoking for over 30 and his health has improved tremendously.
Some people can do that without nicotine withdrawal. That's where social smokers come from. The thing is, a non-nicotine user taking up vaping has no guarantee that they will not become addicted. You don't seem to have that relationship with nicotine, but I am sure others would.
But the effect is the same. We are telling someone of legal age to partake in the habit that it is bad and they should not do it. Even though we do. Sounds like Congress to me. The only difference is our opinions carry no legal weight.
for those of you blaming it on people wanting the "hipster look" --well i live in hipster central in brooklyn, ny and i can tell you vaping is not particularly thought of as cool and it's super rare to see it in clubs, bars, parties, etc.
just sayin'
just sayin'
For me the habit/addiction is not just the nicotine. I don't think I am alone in this, hence why so many gain weight when they quit smoking. The motion also becomes a habit. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would want to start. Smoking cigarettes was something that all of my friends did, my parents did, most people I was around smoked so I started smoking. I have regretted it for years, I wish that I had never started. Not because I didn't enjoy it (I loved it!) but because it takes over your life. I would be strongly against someone who didn't smoke starting vaping, I don't know much about a hookah so I can't comment about that and vaping as an alternative.
I'm pretty sure the effect is not the same as all since that person is totally free to do as they wish and ignore our advice.
Well, I guess it's a regional thing, because vaping is blowing up here in SoCal. There's like a new vape shop opening up every week. LOL Also, it does seem to be an age/demographic thing here too, as the only vapers I usually see here in SoCal are the younger crowd 18-30ish.
But Why !!!! If you Never Smoked Cigarettes before... Help me to undertsand... Do you happen to be younger than say 25 yrs old?
I just don't understand... lol.. listen to me.. But. I guess that's how I started smoking Reg Cigerattes soo long ago....
Dude... Do yourself a favor.. Just through all that crap out and be done with it, before you even start.
your investment is small, in comparison..... Throw it out.. mark it up as a bad decision and go about your happy life..
we're not in a cool factor here, 98% of us here are trying to quit a really bad habit. Don't start one yourself!! Trust me.. There's nothing to gain from it at all..
I just don't understand... lol.. listen to me.. But. I guess that's how I started smoking Reg Cigerattes soo long ago....
Dude... Do yourself a favor.. Just through all that crap out and be done with it, before you even start.
your investment is small, in comparison..... Throw it out.. mark it up as a bad decision and go about your happy life..
we're not in a cool factor here, 98% of us here are trying to quit a really bad habit. Don't start one yourself!! Trust me.. There's nothing to gain from it at all..
I was speaking about the effect it has on someone when you say not to do something when you are yourself doing it.
It is clear we do not agree on the matter. That is fine and I respectfully agree to disagree.
"Do as I say, not as I do." No one likes being a hypocrite, but that doesn't mean they aren't correct in their assessment of the activity they are warning others about. We can agree to disagree; I will respectfully insist that I am correct, though.
Kidding, I won't say anymore about it.
fyi I've been on and off vaping for almost two years. I always vape with nicotine and I would say there is absolutely no withdraw effect whatsoever. my conclusion is it has something to do with if you were a smoker before brain is fully developed your brain will rely on the substance. if you've never touched nicotine before that you will most likely not have the withdraw effect. just figured I should let you guys know what I've been experiencing.
I disagree. I know a few people who always wanted to smoke but couldn't, be it an allergy or they just couldn't hack it. they wanted the ceremony, the experience. Vaping can provide that! Like others mentioned, no nic for them. Seriously why?
Hookah shisha can have real tobacco in it. With all the deleterious effects intact.
Smoking a hookah is still burning something despite its water filtration.
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I see a potential flaw in this hypothesis, namely that the brain is the slowest developing organ of the body and is reported to not be fully developed until around age 25. Generally speaking nicotine users start using nicotine before that age.
However, it may be possible that the nicotine on its own is not inherently addictive, or if it is addictive the addiction is more psychological than physiological. Also it is possible that the major symptoms of withdrawal that tobacco users face, when quitting, is related not so much to the nicotine as it is the other compounds in tobacco smoke or tobacco itself. This would of course explain why some vapers have reported that they cannot quit smoking entirely without use of WTA juices.
I've not smoked a pipe in over a week (and I smoked for 20+ years), the longest time I've actually been "quit". I've completely replaced smoking (so-far) with vaping and have had very few withdrawal symptoms apart from the desire to smoke on occasions. These "cravings" seem to not be related to my nicotine level as I'm using rather strong juices (24mg usually though I do have a 21mg I use in the evenings) so I believe that it may be withdrawal symptoms of the other compounds in tobacco smoke. I have also found that it is easier to use will power to slog through those "cravings" if I have nicotine, and have that nicotine in a manner of ingestion under my control (something that the patch and gum are terrible at doing).
All of that said, I stand by what I said earlier, I would not recommend vaping to an adult nonsmoker (there simply is no tobacco harm present to reduce) and if they insisted on vaping I feel that they should use 0mg juices. As for minors, well minors should not vape just like they should not smoke. But honestly the youngest vapers I've ever encountered are in their mid-twenties, all of them vape to not smoke, and I do not see a "cool factor" present to attract minors.
I probably would not, personally, recommend vaping to someone who wasn't a smoker, but I'd rather see someone turn to vaping than other "bad" habits (smoking tobacco, drugs, etc.). I've heard of some of the positive effects it can have on people who suffer from depression, and even of a doctor, or two who've suggested moving from regular cigs to electronic cigarettes in order for people who suffer from depression to continue utilizing those benefits in a much safer way. Although, I haven't heard it recommended to people who aren't already smokers.
Considering some of the effects depression medications can have, sometimes, I'd almost recommend electronic cigarettes instead of those medications.
Considering some of the effects depression medications can have, sometimes, I'd almost recommend electronic cigarettes instead of those medications.
My brother has some wicked adhd. Used to smoke (and occasionally still does) the stinkies. He's not addicted to the nic, because he has been able to stop without any problems, multiple times. The thing is, nic seems to calm him. Supposedly there have been studies about adhd and nic, and the benefits of it. He's been on adhd meds, and has had nothing but problems from them.
But anyways, nicotine has been somewhat helpful to him, and even though he technically isn't a smoker, I would much rather him pick up a pv, rather than the alternatives.
But anyways, nicotine has been somewhat helpful to him, and even though he technically isn't a smoker, I would much rather him pick up a pv, rather than the alternatives.
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