FDA Zeller Actually Lets the Truth Slip Out - Let's Pay Attention
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Well, so far nobody that matters is profiting from them.Why Do Members Say that __________ Hates e-Cigarettes.
Nobody Hates e-Cigarettes. As long as They are the Ones making the Profits off them. Or the Taxes from them.
So for now, they hate them.
Well, so far nobody that matters is profiting from them.
So for now, they hate them.
What I think is Funny is if e-liquids had Started Off from day one as a Taxed Product such as a Pack of Smokes are, None of all this Would have Happened.
Because then People would have Looked at the Studies to See if it was Really a Big Health Risk to the User and to the People around the User. And when they saw it Wasn't, that would have been the End of the Debate.
The Government wasn't Out any Money. And the Free Market would Decide who got the Profits by Making a Better Product.
And Instead of ProVape making the Provari, it might have been Lorillard. Or Maybe Pfizer. Or maybe Intel.
Have you ever done the math on what you think they can get in taxes from e-liquids versus cigarettes?
It is Staggering.
Not sure what Amount California accounts for the Total vapers in the USA? But just for Talking say it is 10%
Take 10% of the Estimated 4,000,000,000 Dollars worth of Sales for 2014. That would be How Much Money Californians fork out to hit on their e-Cigarettes in a Year.
Now Multiply what you got by the say 8%. That is Roughly what California could have taken in if Sales Tax was applied to All Sales of e-Cigarettes.
And then think if they could put One of These Stickers on every Bottle of e-liquid sold to a California Resident?
And you wonder why e-Cigarettes are a Big Deal to Some Policy Makers? And why things like CA AB-1500 pop up under the Cry that it is About "Saving the Children".
wiki: "Phillip Morris currently lists all taxes, including federal, state, local, and sales taxes, as 56.6% of the total cost of a pack of cigarettes." From 2011 and the tax is even more now. And that's an average. Their cost is $2.60 a pack, up from $2.20/pack in @ 2000.
Honestly, I thought that it would be higher... It's certainly higher in NY, where a pack costs 12 bucks.
Quick subjective calculations
I smoked three packs a day.
I vape about 5ml a day.
The tax on three packs a day in Ohio would be about (just to make it easy) $9. Cost of cigs per above $2.60, so $3/pack for tax (total cost per pack @$5.60/pack)
A 10ml bottle of eliquid (approx., ymmv, etc.) $5.
So... two days of vaping (10ml) vs. 2 days of smoking (6 packs) would be $18 tax on the smokes.
10ml bottle of eliquid for $5 plus $18 for "equivalent" taxes = $23 for a taxed 10ml bottle of eliquid. ymmv greatly
Understand, there are many 5ml vapers that only smoked 1 pack a day - hence the emphasis on 'subjective'. Plus the gov't is going to want 'back taxes' on all the reduced sales in cigarettes caused by ecigarettes
Honestly, I thought that it would be higher... It's certainly higher in NY, where a pack costs 12 bucks.
Again, that's 2011 tax rates - many have gone up since - even Obama's tax and it's an average at the time. Most of the blue states have really high rates - NY, NJ, Ill., Hawaii!!, andCalifornia but not as much.....
It's $12.50 a pack where I live, though I've read some stores in Manhattan charge up to $14.50. At 2 pad (what I smoked), it would take a long time for my vaping expenses to equal my smoking expenses.
I 'like' that you contributed, I don't like those costs
Wow. We can get premium cigs, Salem, eg. for around $60 a carton.
I just hope Kasich doesn't see this post.
I did think of that...
not wrt Kasich but gov't in general and Roger. Quick subjective calculations
I smoked three packs a day.
I vape about 5ml a day.
The tax on three packs a day in Ohio would be about (just to make it easy) $9. Cost of cigs per above $2.60, so $3/pack for tax (total cost per pack @$5.60/pack)
A 10ml bottle of eliquid (approx., ymmv, etc.) $5.
So... two days of vaping (10ml) vs. 2 days of smoking (6 packs) would be $18 tax on the smokes.
10ml bottle of eliquid for $5 plus $18 for "equivalent" taxes = $23 for a taxed 10ml bottle of eliquid. ymmv greatly
Understand, there are many 5ml vapers that only smoked 1 pack a day - hence the emphasis on 'subjective'. Plus the gov't is going to want 'back taxes' on all the reduced sales in cigarettes caused by ecigarettes
Here is something I posted Today in Another thread.
I think that Pretty Much sums up Where we are Headed.
Have you Every Heard of a "Sin" Tax going Down?
No, but there was a luxury tax in the 90's that did. Every state that had a coast was put into a depression by the luxury tax on yachts. A few boat manufacturers went under but who was really hurt were the lower and medium level jobs - no boats to sand, no rigs to rig, etc. etc. All yacht owners just held on to what they had. Even my Congresswoman Kaptur, who sponsored the bill had to say uncle and help repeal it. Lake Erie, part of her district was clobbered by the tax.
It was supposed to be a type of a 'sin tax' since rich people are sinners but where it really hurt was the lower paying jobs which were eliminated as a result. (typical for gov't missing their 'mark' and hurting the people they intended to help)...sigh. When will they ever learn.... And they still kept electing her, blaming it all on the companies, of course, for laying them off or going out of business.
Only if you convert several congressmen and senators to ecigs. It might work then.
We don't have to Convert them, or as Harkin said, even know what one is.
The Important part is that they "know one when they seen it."
LOL
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