Zen~ Family Reunion

[RippleInStillWater]

I know, Mike asked me if I was going last week. I had to tell him I wasn't. He tried to solicit me on your behalf...I told him I knew how much he loved working tables at vape meets and he should volunteer his services You can guess how that went, lol!

 

[Projectguy]

Hi All,

Been lurking (mostly) for quite some time... almost feel I know you all. Thought I'd say "hello", and introduce myself before I go to bed, especially now that I'm all read up to this page. Whew! BTW, my real name is Matt, I kept my TalkingCactus just incase I bump into an old friends from other forums I used to frequent. Hope to fit in, somewhere on this ECF monster of a forum.

Now that's funny! That's a move I'd make for sure. A few times in the past, that I only meant to help out a fellow Webmaster, there was an obvious reason for the "error". Gotta love it!

What I'm not lovin, is that I spent so much time reading this thread (so I'd be up to speed w/everyone), that I missed out on the blemished cobalts :-( That was one heck of a good deal! But I really like the original finish better, like the BAM. Hope to get my first Zen soon...

Hey Matt welcome to the Thread. Find a place on the Chesterfield relax have fun.

The Cobalts haven't yet arrived so stay close this week they'll be here.

 

[Vapor2112]

Quoted for truth...

My (stock form) Ti Mini, Sidewinder, and BAM are the best performing APV's I own / have owned, consistently.

Good morning, everyone.



You really don't need to replace any parts. It isn't going to increase conductivity, contrary to popular belief. The bridge and the device itself are still aluminum and the device is only going to conduct as well as aluminum does. You're going to find that lots of people like to chase the best possible performance and there's nothing wrong with that but brass parts in an aluminum device are not going to make the vape any better.

There was another member who did a co-op for brass parts to the sidewinder and metered the voltage under load. Firing under load, he was only getting 3.6X volts. My completely unmodified sidewinder, exactly how it came from Zen fires at 3.7X volts under load. If your device isn't firing right, something is usually going on with the coil.

Another thing to consider is that the nylon nut that secures the long screw in the atomizer is a one-time use piece. Once tightened, it crushes and if it is reused, you run the risk of a dead short which is very dangerous.

 

[millertime660]

kiba, what we are trying to say is that while you are free to make any modifications to your APVs that you want, advocating all these changes to Zen's design affects the safety of the APV and not all new people are aware of that fact.

Zenesis devices, as they are sold, are among the very safest APVs made. A lot of thought and planning went into the design to make that so. You are changing the underlying dynamics that make Zenesis devices so safe.

Mike is a very innovative APV designer. He puts a lot of thought and knowledge into his designs, always with safety in the forefront of his mind. They are not ecigs thrown together for the money to be made.

Anyone making modifications to the Zens are doing so at their own risk. You are turning your Zens into 'not Zens'.........

Wow that is excellent to know. Thanks for the post! Is there anywhere I can get more in depth info on why? Now I'm curious while I wait for, hopefully, my first zenesis!

 

[dearme]

The very best Zenesis education that you can get can be found in the old HOH thread. It's a VERY long thread, but follows the Zenesis APVs from the very beginning, and there you will find all the whys and wherefores and follow all the changes that were made in the design.

Reading the old thread will be time well spent.

PS.......change your Settings to be able to read 40 posts per page instead of 10........

 

[Nurzrachit]

Morning, Nothin wrong with my Coil.

 

[dearme]

Coming by to say hi, haven't dropped by this thread much but seeing as I ordered my third zen yesterday (camo sidewinder) to join the standard #0149 I got in the mail yesterday and my ZAGGTS that's my carry out. I think it's time to at least say hi here. I do see lots of friends here already though

also wanted to ask a couple questions:

do the efest 18350's fit the sidewinder or do I need to go get some AW's?

is there a glass tank that fits the sidewinder?

The efest batts will fit.........However, the Zens were designed for AW IMR batts and are the ONLY batts that should be used with Zens. Zen determined that they were the safest to use in the Zens. No other batts were allowed to be mentioned in the old thread......LOL

There is/will be a glass tank for the SW.......eventually, maybe.......You might want to have your grandchildren check for availability when you leave your Zens to them.......LOL

Just a reminder........Batts in the SW should always be inserted with the nipple down. The SW is the only Zenesis that this is true for..........

 

[goldcoastmat]

The efest batts will fit.........However, the Zens were designed for AW IMR batts and are the ONLY batts that should be used with Zens. Zen determined that they were the safest to use in the Zens. No other batts were allowed to be mentioned in the old thread......LOL

There is/will be a glass tank for the SW.......eventually, maybe.......You might want to have your grandchildren check for availability when you leave your Zens to them.......LOL

Just a reminder........Batts in the SW should always be inserted with the nipple down. The SW is the only Zenesis that this is true for..........

Thank you very much, I only asked about the efest because they are slightly wider, and the 18650's actually don't fit in my standard at all. I rarely use them in my hybrids and always up a wrap or two for safety when I have to. (never under 1 ohm because I haven't been able to find the amp limit or c rating to figure them out.

on the tank is there size/specs so I can have one made?

 

[Vapor2112]

I tried the efests once, because I got a smokin' deal on them. Interesting thing to me was that even with the higher MAH ratings, they didn't last worth a cr@p for me. They dropped off incredibly fast. I used them for about a week, and they've sat ever since.

I swear by the AW IMR's...

I'm sure you know that AW's are the recommended battery for Zen's, use the efest at your own risk, etc, etc... But bottom line for me was, they fit fine, performed terrible and I wouldn't recommend them. In a pinch, they'll work, at least for a little while.

Coming by to say hi, haven't dropped by this thread much but seeing as I ordered my third zen yesterday (camo sidewinder) to join the standard #0149 I got in the mail yesterday and my ZAGGTS that's my carry out. I think it's time to at least say hi here. I do see lots of friends here already though

also wanted to ask a couple questions:

do the efest 18350's fit the sidewinder or do I need to go get some AW's?

is there a glass tank that fits the sidewinder?

 

[dearme]

Thank you very much, I only asked about the efest because they are slightly wider, and the 18650's actually don't fit in my standard at all. I rarely use them in my hybrids and always up a wrap or two for safety when I have to. (never under 1 ohm because I haven't been able to find the amp limit or c rating to figure them out.

on the tank is there size/specs so I can have one made?

There is something else going on if AW IMR 18650s don't fit in your Zenesis Standard. Have you made any modifications in your APV? Are you sure it's not a counterfeit batt? We need to get this problem figured out...........

The tank on the SW is between the 4 and 5ml tanks (I think those mls are figured without the center post displacement so the actual ml may be slightly different).

I have never seen any measurements for a SW tank. The circumference will probably be the same as on all tanks. You could check the FAQ for that measurement and the inside wall thickness. I suppose you could probably play with poly to get the correct height measurement.......and you would have to watch which ejuices you put in the tank.........

It seems a lot of trouble to go to for a see thru tank. You will quickly become accustomed to the SS tank. You can tell by how it vapes when you need to refill.......or you could just add ejuice whenever you think about it and not worry about how much is still in the tank. You can tell when it's full because it will bubble up around the wick when it's full..........

 

[goldcoastmat]

There is something else going on if AW IMR 18650s don't fit in your Zenesis Standard. Have you made any modifications in your APV? Are you sure it's not a counterfeit batt? We need to get this problem figured out...........

The tank on the SW is between the 4 and 5ml tanks (I think those mls are figured without the center post displacement so the actual ml may be slightly different).

I have never seen any measurements for a SW tank. The circumference will probably be the same as on all tanks. You could check the FAQ for that measurement and the inside wall thickness. I suppose you could probably play with poly to get the correct height measurement.......and you would have to watch which ejuices you put in the tank.........

It seems a lot of trouble to go to for a see thru tank. You will quickly become accustomed to the SS tank. You can tell by how it vapes when you need to refill.......or you could just add ejuice whenever you think about it and not worry about how much is still in the tank. You can tell when it's full because it will bubble up around the wick when it's full..........

AW's fit fine, Efest 18650's don't. I got my standard used and as far as I know the only mods where magnets in the switch.

I wouldn't use a poly tank but know people that cut glass and would more than likely be willing to make a quartz or pyrex tank for it if I knew the measurements. I'll check the FAQ you have been very helpful thank you.

 

[Vapor2112]

At some point, there will be a quartz tank available for the Sidewinder, right now, making a tank IMO wouldn't be helpful as the top portion of the tank contains the treading for the top cap. Not sure how you'd be able to make that work (top cap remain stable) with a glass tank under it.

Maybe some o-rings of the right size, but not sure.

You may want to try fitting the top cap without the standard SW tank on it to see what you can do before going through the effort of getting a custom tank cut.

I really do like the metal tank myself and likely will personally stick with it regardless of future offerings as the Sidewinder really is my work horse. The form factor and durability of the anodizing + the metal tank and threaded cap really make the thing virtually indestructible.

AW's fit fine, Efest 18650's don't. I got my standard used and as far as I know the only mods where magnets in the switch.

I wouldn't use a poly tank but know people that cut glass and would more than likely be willing to make a quartz or pyrex tank for it if I knew the measurements. I'll check the FAQ you have been very helpful thank you.

 

[dearme]

AW's fit fine, Efest 18650's don't. I got my standard used and as far as I know the only mods where magnets in the switch.

I wouldn't use a poly tank but know people that cut glass and would more than likely be willing to make a quartz or pyrex tank for it if I knew the measurements. I'll check the FAQ you have been very helpful thank you.

Magnets in one of the original Zens is not a modification. They all came with magnets originally and are still preferred to springs by some Zenfidels. Springs were not an option until about the time the BAM was in the works as (I think) magnets will not work with aluminum..........

 

[Vapor2112]

Why would magnets not work with aluminum?? They just have to repel each other to open the switch, they don't need to repel or attract to the APV itself.

I can't recall, but the original aluminazens may have even come with magnets (don't quote me on that).

I used magnets in my Cobalt with no issues.

Magnets in one of the original Zens is not a modification. They all came with magnets originally and are still preferred to springs by some Zenfidels. Springs were not an option until about the time the BAM was in the works as (I think) magnets will not work with aluminum..........

 

[UnFettered_Soul]

Hey, Karen! Sorry I won't be able to make it to vape fest with you guys

Oh and I saw mention a few pages back about anodized pv's and using insulators. The BAM and cobalt have anodized atomizers so they don't need insulators. The MFA isn't oxidized or anodized, it's just bead blasted so it's still raw aluminum all over the pv, including the wick hole. If you use insulators in your metal pv's, this wouldn't be any exception.

Ah...
I knew Andy would know.
I may have remembered that if I actually had use of my MFA. LOL

 

[dearme]

Why would magnets not work with aluminum?? They just have to repel each other to open the switch, they don't need to repel or attract to the APV itself.

I can't recall, but the original aluminazens may have even come with magnets (don't quote me on that).

I used magnets in my Cobalt with no issues.

I don't know. It's just something I heard Zen say when discussing the BAM in the design stage..........Did you forget that I'm the mechanically challenged Zenfidel?......LOL

My net worth to this thread regarding mechanical/electrical stuff is parroting things I have heard Mike say......LOL........and perhaps that is also true about all my posts.........LOL

 

[goldcoastmat]

I don't know. It's just something I heard Zen say when discussing the BAM in the design stage..........Did you forget that I'm the mechanically challenged Zenfidel?......LOL

My net worth to this thread regarding mechanical/electrical stuff is parroting things I have heard Mike say......LOL........and perhaps that is also true about all my posts.........LOL

magnets definitely work in allum, I've used them in other hybrids that are allum. although I preferred the springs because it was more stable.

 

[UnFettered_Soul]

Why would magnets not work with aluminum?? They just have to repel each other to open the switch, they don't need to repel or attract to the APV itself.

I can't recall, but the original aluminazens may have even come with magnets (don't quote me on that).

I used magnets in my Cobalt with no issues.

Magnets were in my AlumiZen Standard.
And they should work in any Zen. Will they work in the SideWinder?

Interestingly, I tried them in my BAM and couldn't get it to fire. I'm sure it's something I did/didn't do.

 

[UnFettered_Soul]

I don't know. It's just something I heard Zen say when discussing the BAM in the design stage..........Did you forget that I'm the mechanically challenged Zenfidel?......LOL

My net worth to this thread regarding mechanical/electrical stuff is parroting things I have heard Mike say......LOL........and perhaps that is also true about all my posts.........LOL

I think I remember him saying something along the lines of he "broke down" and started including springs starting with the BAM.

I have one set of magnets thanks to Ed, and wish they were still available for purchase.
Are they on ENS? I'm gonna go check.

 

[UnFettered_Soul]

Nope. LOL
I think I even posted somewhere in here the measurements for the magnets.
I guess I'll hunt that up eventually. I'm lazy.