ZFM Zero Filler Mod

[Flitzanu]

Well I guess that knocks out PG, VG, polly,foam,Nickel alloy,fiberglass.... if you are that worried about inhaling silicone It might be a good idea for you to quit vaping altogether nothing in a e-cig has been proven safe yet...

i didn't say safe, i said ingestion is different than inhalation.

again, if you eat fiberglass, foam, and Nickel alloy, that is your decision. inhaling fiberglass isn't so safe last i checked, and eating it probably isn't either.

however, there are studies on inhalation of PG that go back decades, so that's not a valid argument.

inhalation of heated silicon, spatulas, human hair, and everything else people are trying...well...i don't think they have studies on that, do they?

you could take my position as bashing an idea, but some of you people need to start considering that people will blindly do these things and can potentially cause unwanted harm.

that's MY position.

 

[Darmeen]

i didn't say safe, i said ingestion is different than inhalation.

again, if you eat fiberglass, foam, and Nickel alloy, that is your decision. inhaling fiberglass isn't so safe last i checked, and eating it probably isn't either.

however, there are studies on inhalation of PG that go back decades, so that's not a valid argument.

inhalation of heated silicon, spatulas, human hair, and everything else people are trying...well...i don't think they have studies on that, do they?

you could take my position as bashing an idea, but some of you people need to start considering that people will blindly do these things and can potentially cause unwanted harm.

that's MY position.

Here is a link the Dow Cornings MSDS for silicone rubber http://207.250.200.229:8080/1/doc?id=42874

Keep in mind that the liquid form (before cured) is MORE volatile than the cured form (which is considered inert at that point)...and even the liquid form would only create a slight irritation in the throat if the fumes were inhaled...and that no first aid would be necessary.

The cured form also has a heat resistence over 300C...at which point it would warp, not melt. I have seen ZERO warping from the plugs I have made, and I vape pretty hard...and i have not seen any change in the material...which is more than I can say for the original polyfil!

I appreciate concern, and thank you for it...it is just that your original post didn't come across as concern to me...to me, it felt like you were calling us idiots and fools for attempting something so dangerous with a highly volatile material.

 

[kristin]

i didn't say safe, i said ingestion is different than inhalation.

again, if you eat fiberglass, foam, and Nickel alloy, that is your decision. inhaling fiberglass isn't so safe last i checked, and eating it probably isn't either.

however, there are studies on inhalation of PG that go back decades, so that's not a valid argument.

inhalation of heated silicon, spatulas, human hair, and everything else people are trying...well...i don't think they have studies on that, do they?

you could take my position as bashing an idea, but some of you people need to start considering that people will blindly do these things and can potentially cause unwanted harm.

that's MY position.

We look into the properties of these items before we start using them. For instance, I was looking into floral foam as a filler, but before I tried it, I researched it and found out it has formaldehyde in it, so I nixed it. Same with styrofoam - poisionous stuff that can leech into the liquid.

Silicone is waterproof & resilient to heat. Not a carcinogen, chemically inert and stable, so it is unlikely to react with or leach into food, nor outgas vapors. MSDSs also note that silicone is not toxic to aquatic or soil organisms, it is not hazardous waste, and while it is not biodegradable, it can be recycled after a lifetime of use. It's approved for use for baking and food handling.

Trust me - I'm not going to quit tobacco toxins and blindly start putting something else toxic into my body.

BTW - his point was that there already IS poly, nickel alloy, fiberglass, etc IN e-cig construction.

 

[kristin]

Guys!! What about heat resistant, silicone TAPE??

Silicone tape is a remarkable feat of chemical engineering that has resulted in a long lasting and highly durable protective tape. Made from cured silicone rubber, silicone tape typically contains a thin layer of silicone gel to make the product self fusing, which forms a permanent bond around whatever it is applied to. This quality has led to a number of alternate names for silicone tape, including self amalgamating tape, self vulcanizing tape, and silicone gel tape. The tape forms the bond when stretched and wrapped around an object and, depending on the specific brand and how it is used, will self fuse within minutes or a few hours.

Another feature of silicone tape is the inclusion of polydimethylsiloxane in the gel, which contains zinc oxide. This material is added to act as a UV inhibitor. This means that the tape is resistant to ultraviolet radiation from natural sunlight, which often contributes to the degradation of ordinary tape. It is also resistant to other environmental factors, including the effects of ozone. In addition, silicone tape is designed to withstand moisture, as well as contact with solvents, fuels, acids, and even splashing from soldering.

This tape remains flexible in cold temperatures too. More importantly, some kinds of silicone tape are heat resistant and flame ......ant. This is achieved by formulating the composition of the tape to allow it to evenly conduct and disperse heat, yet remain non-combustible. This is obviously very desirable when using silicone tape under conditions where it may come into contact with excessive heat or open flame.

As might be expected, there is an abundance of applications for the use of this tape. For instance, adaptations of silicone tape are used in the biomedical and pharmaceutical fields where it performs a variety of functions. In clinical settings, it is used to adhere medical equipment to the body, such as catheters and prosthetic devices. In addition, since this tape is not affected by moisture and will adhere to many different surfaces, it can be reapplied. In some cases, it can even be cleaned and reused when appropriate.

 

[Darmeen]

Guys!! What about heat resistant, silicone TAPE??

That is an awesome idea Kristin...I think that ultimately we just need to lure someone that works at (or better, owns) some molding factory onto the site...the ultimate cure for this would be to have a cart that literally had a silicone membrane on the atty side, a membrane that had the cuts in it, would allow the atty to open it slightly to soak up the juice, allow a dropper to be placed in for re-filling, etc.

I would buy 5 of those for $50! (Knowing that we wouldn't have to worry about replacing material filler, that they would last significantly longer, etc)

 

[sparky_ahs]

Holy s*** this thing works.... I quit vapeing a while ago and went back to my analogs because I couldn't stand the taste of the e liquid. I couldn't get the hang of dripping not to mention it was way to much work. So it was either drip or use the poly (a few other filler ideas didn't work for me either) and get the acrid burnt taste if I didn't get a leak.

Stumbled on this yesterday and made one of them for the 510 stock cart (no punch). I guess I got lucky because it went fairly smoothly and have gone through a good bit of testing chain vape with a strong pull, lay down stand up it seems to be holding up well only tiny bit of leak and able to correct it quickly. Tried two from the side of the cap for a 901 but because of the curve on the cap its not working, but I'm sure it will with a flat piece but I'm waiting for my 801 stuff to come in so I can try it with that. This is a big step in me getting back into vapeing and hopefully with the 801 that has the bigger carts, this mod, and a custom pv with the big battery it will be as easy as buying a pack of analogs and keep me with it.

Is there a brand on those cup cake dishes or where others have been getting sheets of silicone? Any one know what size punch for the 801?

 

[Mr Sinister]

I was skeptical at first, but I tried it and I am surprised. I don't know how it works, but it does. It worked great for the first couple fills. Now it just floods the atomizer. But its my first go at it, so I'm sure I just need to tweak something. Very impressive Scotty.

 

[Archer74]

Just a thought, I didnt have time to read through all the 29 pages - just the 1st 9. I read that some have problems of leaks and floods when the mod is left alone for some time. so how about sliding the cart out a litttle to "close" the opening? this should keep the wick away from contact with the opening and stop unintentionally drawing liquid out of the cart when not in use.

 

[the86d]

I just found a way to cut the sili almost perfect. I didn't see any posts on this way, so EFF me F I'm wrong.. I can't read them all! I put the sili cap on, and pressed it down against a metal surface. I use a blade to cut around the cart inward at an angle. Bottom of blade tward the cart and keeping it close all the way around. WORKED PERFECTLY FOR A GREAT SEAL, and did not have me cleaning up the edges.

I have not had any substantial leaks since starting to toy with this Effin' NINJA MOD, by the EFFIN' NINJA SCOTTY in this thread!

This is my 3rd try and I do Chain-Vape, so maybe I empty them too fast to leak enough to piss me off.

AGAIN PROPS SCOTTY-BiZ-allZ!!!

I am going to be doing 10mils a day! (1-4mg/ml that is, so it's OK!)

 

[DapperDan]

You know, the silicone caps are what I don't have an abundance of right now. If fact I wish I could find more of them instead of cutting up some that I have. Maybe I can find an alternative source for the plugs.

My thoughts exactly. I've read through the entire thread, and am patiently waiting for an alternative of functional equality to the stock caps.

While I'm on the subject, if anyone knows where to purchase extra caps, help me out over here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/joye-510/49840-extra-rubber-caps-carts.html

I really want to give this mod a go, however I really don't want to slice up a handful of caps...

 

[mcl5000]

I figured out that you can get 3 plugs out of each cap. Aren't 5 blank carts like $2? So you can get 15 plugs for $2.

 

[Dark Knight]

I found a silicone strap on a swimming mask I had. I think I saw goggles at the dollar store, The strap is the same thickness as the cart top. I still have not been able to get this to work, It wont give up the juice. Tried the hole, Cant use the x every time I try I wind up cutting the piece in half...I`m going BATTY!

 

[smonomo]

Well, I think this about wraps it up for me, I've thrown all the cut up cart caps in the trash, and have three moulded plugs on the go right now..

The plugs vary in thickness from 3/16" to 1/8". The holes are the hardest part to get right, mine are about the size of a medium to large safety pin, I just keep digging and picking away until I can see daylight, it ain't pretty but it works.

I've reworked the platform by making four 3/8" cuts in the straw and fold them back down the sides, this helps to center the straw and gives a softer folded edge for the plug to sit on. I then fine tune the length of the straw to recess the plug between 1 and 2mm.

801, BE112 atty.

 

[Natnade]

Has anyone really gotten the X to work on the plug? I tried it a couple times and both failed for me. I just made a hole in mine and it leaks, but it works fine when in use.

 

[codfish124]

i find i have to stor my ecigs upside down but that better than haveing to refill all the time. the 801 carts must take a ml or more of juice. another thing you could use is a cell phone gel skin. any know of a good glue for an the cart?

 

[smonomo]

I don't know of any glue that works with silicone, the next thing I would try is two part epoxy.

btw, another source for silicone....Fishing lures.

 

[Stehle]

I don't know of any glue that works with silicone, the next thing I would try is two part epoxy.

btw, another source for silicone....Fishing lures.

Makes sense! Time to breakout the tackle box... I feel a worm dissection coming on! 8-o

"Now where is that "Tequila Sunrise" Culprit!® anyways???"

(Great idea smonomo!)

 

[DC2]

I don't know of any glue that works with silicone, the next thing I would try is two part epoxy.

btw, another source for silicone....Fishing lures.

Something thicker and gooshier might be the way to go.

How about a slice of worm, about five times thicker than the cartridge cap.

And then a hole through it, which is cone shaped, so it is more open at the bottom and just big enough at the top to let your atomizer bridge gently snuggle through?

 

[Scottbee]

Something thicker and gooshier might be the way to go.

How about a slice of worm, about five times thicker than the cartridge cap.

And then a hole through it, which is cone shaped, so it is more open at the bottom and just big enough at the top to let your atomizer bridge gently snuggle through?

I actually molded this exact shape last night and was working with it today.

Thought I had it *perfect*.... then I moved it to a different atomizer... and BLEH! Then I tried it back on the original atomizer.. but rotated 180 degrees.... BLEH!

Having my fair share of problems....

 

[SCOTTYBALLS]

I actually molded this exact shape last night and was working with it today.

Thought I had it *perfect*.... then I moved it to a different atomizer... and BLEH! Then I tried it back on the original atomizer.. but rotate 180 degrees.... BLEH!

Having my fair share of problems....

Scottbee you finally got your a picture for your avatar! perfect fit