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[Robino1]

The demonization of smokers started very innocuously

First came smoking sections. Then bars had to install smoke eaters. Then they made us move to the outside. Then they made us move away from doors and entrances. Pretty soon we were relegated to areas behind the buildings so we wouldn't be seen.

Then they said we couldn't smoke outside in public parks
Our outside smoking became very limited.
Then they said we couldn't smoke in rentals or condos (California and I'm sure elsewhere). Now they are saying we cannot smoke in our cars in parking lots. Granted those are on private property but really? How is that affecting anyone's health expect for the person that supposedly lives in the land of the free?

I could go on and on regarding how smokers are vilified and have been for years.

Smokers are the only group that people are encouraged to vilify and bully. Even addicts get more sympathy than a smoker.

Ugh! Stepping off soap box.

 

[stols001]

I actually meant on this thread.

If you're talking about society in general I wholeheartedly agree with you. Limiting areas is a great way to put a stranglehold on smoking generally, and it started quite some time ago, with ever increasing restrictions and we either go along with it, or live with the consequences.

CA has such a rep, I was worried I might not be able to smoke (outside) in a hotel, but I did find a few ashtrays, that was a couple years ago, though.

I think it depends where you live. If you overindulge in Sudafed byproducts around here, most ppl are going to not want so much to do with you.... Smoking is actually preferable in that case.

Anna

 

[BackDoc]

The demonization of smokers started very innocuously

First came smoking sections. Then bars had to install smoke eaters. Then they made us move to the outside. Then they made us move away from doors and entrances. Pretty soon we were relegated to areas behind the buildings so we wouldn't be seen.

Then they said we couldn't smoke outside in public parks
Our outside smoking became very limited.
Then they said we couldn't smoke in rentals or condos (California and I'm sure elsewhere). Now they are saying we cannot smoke in our cars in parking lots. Granted those are on private property but really? How is that affecting anyone's health expect for the person that supposedly lives in the land of the free?

I could go on and on regarding how smokers are vilified and have been for years.

Smokers are the only group that people are encouraged to vilify and bully. Even addicts get more sympathy than a smoker.

Ugh! Stepping off soap box.

Exceptional!!, my sentiments exactly......well said !

 

[SteveS45]

The demonization of smokers started very innocuously

First came smoking sections. Then bars had to install smoke eaters. Then they made us move to the outside. Then they made us move away from doors and entrances. Pretty soon we were relegated to areas behind the buildings so we wouldn't be seen.

Then they said we couldn't smoke outside in public parks
Our outside smoking became very limited.
Then they said we couldn't smoke in rentals or condos (California and I'm sure elsewhere). Now they are saying we cannot smoke in our cars in parking lots. Granted those are on private property but really? How is that affecting anyone's health expect for the person that supposedly lives in the land of the free?

I could go on and on regarding how smokers are vilified and have been for years.

Smokers are the only group that people are encouraged to vilify and bully. Even addicts get more sympathy than a smoker.

Ugh! Stepping off soap box.

I was a smoker through all those changes, new regulations and laws but you forgot one of the worst things they did to us. Raised the tobacco taxes until eventually they cost more for a pack then I paid for a carton! Now they are trying to do the same to vaping products.

Sign the Petition

 

[mattiem]

The demonization of smokers started very innocuously

First came smoking sections. Then bars had to install smoke eaters. Then they made us move to the outside. Then they made us move away from doors and entrances. Pretty soon we were relegated to areas behind the buildings so we wouldn't be seen.

Then they said we couldn't smoke outside in public parks
Our outside smoking became very limited.
Then they said we couldn't smoke in rentals or condos (California and I'm sure elsewhere). Now they are saying we cannot smoke in our cars in parking lots. Granted those are on private property but really? How is that affecting anyone's health expect for the person that supposedly lives in the land of the free?

I could go on and on regarding how smokers are vilified and have been for years.

Smokers are the only group that people are encouraged to vilify and bully. Even addicts get more sympathy than a smoker.

Ugh! Stepping off soap box.

This one deserves much more than just a like.

 

[sofarsogood]

Right, adults can put anything in their bodies they want except for a few illegal substances. The problem is kids get involved. They don't grow out of smoking because it's so habit forming. When I was a smoker I wished that, one morning, I went out and found there was no place to buy ciigarettes any more. I wouldn't have protested, I would have celebrated. After I was a confirmed vaper I thought, how about ban rolled cigarettes, make everybody roll their own, and offer vaping as the convenient way to get nic. Now a third idea comes along, remove nearly all the nic from cigs to discourage the kids. Smoke if you like and get the nic from something else. Apparently the FDA has the authority and it's technically feasiible. I say full speed ahead.

 

[SteveS45]

In my opinion if they lowered the amount of nicotine in cigarettes it would be like years ago when they came out with lights and low tar cigarettes. People who smoked them inhaled deeper and smoked them further down along with smoking more. I could never smoke anything other then my Marlboro Reds in the box because even the soft packs tasted different to me. Taste is subjective you know? LOL

 

[sofarsogood]

In my opinion if they lowered the amount of nicotine in cigarettes it would be like years ago when they came out with lights and low tar cigarettes. People who smoked them inhaled deeper and smoked them further down along with smoking more. I could never smoke anything other then my Marlboro Reds in the box because even the soft packs tasted different to me. Taste is subjective you know? LOL

A study cited above suggests that smokers who only have ultra low nic cigs available smoke less, not more. What if you also gave them something to vape on that makes up the nic. I was a dual user for 6 weeks. Vaping reduced my daily cigs 80% immediately. When I tried for zero cigs it was easier because I only needed 5 cigs, not 25.

 

[SteveS45]

A study cited above suggests that smokers who only have ultra low nic cigs available smoke less, not more. What if you also gave them something to vape on that makes up the nic. I was a dual user for 6 weeks. Vaping reduced my daily cigs 80% immediately. When I tried for zero cigs it was easier because I only needed 5 cigs, not 25.

Forget talking about studies I am talking about Real Life experiences and what I saw personally. I smoked for almost 40 years so I don't need studies to tell me about what I witnessed for myself.

 

[ENAUD]

The demonization of smokers started very innocuously

First came smoking sections. Then bars had to install smoke eaters. Then they made us move to the outside. Then they made us move away from doors and entrances. Pretty soon we were relegated to areas behind the buildings so we wouldn't be seen.

Then they said we couldn't smoke outside in public parks
Our outside smoking became very limited.
Then they said we couldn't smoke in rentals or condos (California and I'm sure elsewhere). Now they are saying we cannot smoke in our cars in parking lots. Granted those are on private property but really? How is that affecting anyone's health expect for the person that supposedly lives in the land of the free?

I could go on and on regarding how smokers are vilified and have been for years.

Smokers are the only group that people are encouraged to vilify and bully. Even addicts get more sympathy than a smoker.

Ugh! Stepping off soap box.

What you describe was actually part of the foundational planning to eradicate smoking from the onset. They have been brilliantly successful because they turned the heat up ever so slowly. I rember reading somewhere here on the forum, maybe a couple years ago where somebody linked to a manifesto describing this in detail, I'll dig around the googles later and see if I have any luck finding it...

 

[mcclintock]

When I was a smoker, I would have liked somewhat reduced nicotine cigs. The nic level tends to be ridiculous. I don't know if I would have smoked more or less though.

 

[motordude]

So,
Some people are comfortable with a government entity experimenting with what you inhale versus a corporation.
Interesting.....



I thought about it.
Eyes ain't.

As in most things in life now a days I'll set back and watch and learn.

 

[zoiDman]

If the FDA wants to Reduce the Nicotine in Cigarettes (Or maybe more precisely, the Amount of Nicotine Absorbed by the Body when a Cigarette is Smoked), maybe a Good Place to start would be Banning the adding of Ammonia Compounds in cigarette tobacco by BT.

 

[beckdg]

Just stop the lies and I think more smokers would be willing to do it on their own.

I think we can all get behind that.

Except the media, BP, BT, Congress, fda, WHO and the 3 letter agencies and "health organizations" that sent the letter to Obama.

All of whom have stake in the claims if not only on the house of cards they built for themselves, but in some cases SOOO much more.

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[beckdg]

Reading through this thread I had an epiphany.

I just realized nicotine is the only addictive substance known to man... and obviously known to BT.



Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[beckdg]

I was 18 and knew everything ...

Anna

My dad used to swear at 18 a person was granted infinite knowledge.

And every day after a person would lose some.

By his calculations, the day I turned 18 he'd already been a bumbling idiot for quite some time.

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[beckdg]

I am really glad I can understand sarcasm when I see it [emoji38][emoji38][emoji38]

Oh yeah?

Try me!

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

 

[Robino1]

When cigarettes were cheaper and we could smoke just about everywhere, we actually smoked less. Most burned up in ashtrays. The worst of the dangerous crap comes when the filter is saturated which happens at about when half the cigarette is smoked.

With the restrictions and the taxation, we feel as if we are wasting money if we let them sit and burn. We don't have time to waste so we huff down that cigarette hoping to get another one in before going back inside.

It took 7 minutes for me to smoke a whole cigarette. I would time it so I could calculate how much time it would take me for lunch and a cig or 2 or 3.

Puttting on restrictions and raising taxes compounded the dangerousness of cigs.

Agree or not, just my observations.

 

[Robino1]

Right, adults can put anything in their bodies they want except for a few illegal substances. The problem is kids get involved. They don't grow out of smoking because it's so habit forming. When I was a smoker I wished that, one morning, I went out and found there was no place to buy ciigarettes any more. I wouldn't have protested, I would have celebrated. After I was a confirmed vaper I thought, how about ban rolled cigarettes, make everybody roll their own, and offer vaping as the convenient way to get nic. Now a third idea comes along, remove nearly all the nic from cigs to discourage the kids. Smoke if you like and get the nic from something else. Apparently the FDA has the authority and it's technically feasiible. I say full speed ahead.

Let's save the kids.

Has it ever worked....for anything?

 

[Eskie]

Reading through this thread I had an epiphany.

I just realized nicotine is the only addictive substance known to man... and obviously known to BT.



Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries