Ẁhere to get combustible tobacco cigarettes with no nicotine?

[Bunnykiller]

They already have non alcoholic beer. Must not sell very well cause I'm assuming you haven't heard of it. You may know or heard the name O'Doul's. It's an Anheuser Busch product that is a non alcoholic malt beverage. Never had one but just remember hearing about it years and years ago.

If no nic analogs do as well as the O'Doul's, we probably won't be hearing about them lol.


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beer is beer but Everclear or Barcardi 151 is more of what I had in mind

 

[Eskie]

beer is beer but Everclear or Barcardi 151 is more of what I had in mind

There's always margarita mix you don't have to the the Bacardi to.

 

[Wheelin247]

Well nicotine IS the demon and we All need an exorcism!
Especially the smokers!

ETA
I also believe all teenagers need to go through government funded mind control.
End of "for the children "

The nicotine isn't the "demon" as you say. Nicotine is just a natural stimulant in tobacco. It isn't anything more than a stimulant just as caffeine is a stimulant. All the other 3,999+ chemicals in the tobacco is the demon. Nicotine is a chemical that has addictive property that we get hooked on but we also get hooked on some of the other chemicals found in analogs. When we switched from analogs to vaping it was easier to quit because of the nicotine that we were getting from the juice but some of us would still have cravings for a cig. Even though we were getting the nicotine we would still crave a smoke because of the other chemicals in the tobacco. Just my .2¢ on the nicotine being a "demon" as you say.


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[Wheelin247]

beer is beer but Everclear or Barcardi 151 is more of what I had in mind

I got ya


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[motordude]

The nicotine isn't the "demon" as you say. Nicotine is just a natural stimulant in tobacco. It isn't anything more than a stimulant just as caffeine is a stimulant. All the other 3,999+ chemicals in the tobacco is the demon. Nicotine is a chemical that has addictive property that we get hooked on but we also get hooked on some of the other chemicals found in analogs. When we switched from analogs to vaping it was easier to quit because of the nicotine that we were getting from the juice but some of us would still have cravings for a cig. Even though we were getting the nicotine we would still crave a smoke because of the other chemicals in the tobacco. Just my .2¢ on the nicotine being a "demon" as you say.


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Sorry, I was feeling very sarcastic yesterday

 

[Wheelin247]

Sorry, I was feeling very sarcastic yesterday

Lol...No worries my friend. I have those days too so I know what ya mean!


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[mattiem]

Oh yeah?

Try me!

Guns don't kill people, virgins do! -Jim Jeffries

okey dokey

Reading through this thread I had an epiphany.

I just realized nicotine is the only addictive substance known to man... and obviously known to BT.

sarcastic epiphany

 

[WorksForMe]

What you describe was actually part of the foundational planning to eradicate smoking from the onset. They have been brilliantly successful because they turned the heat up ever so slowly. I remember reading somewhere here on the forum, maybe a couple years ago where somebody linked to a manifesto describing this in detail, I'll dig around the googles later and see if I have any luck finding it...

IIRC, that was something @DC2 posted a few times. When I first read it, I thought it was just a few anti-smoking nutcases, but as you said they've been really successful.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

ANTZ has also been successful in squashing all research showing that menthol flavored tobacco is multiple times worse in terms of causing lung disease and tissue damage than unflavored tobacco.

Two reasons for this:

1. They need people to believe that all tobacco is bad and that no form is less harmful and
2. African Americans and women use menthol more than other demographics, so banning menthol would be sexist and racist, or something.

I can't link to the research now because I'm mobile.

 

[KenD]

You can get no nic cigarettes, at least you used to be able to but they're not made of tobacco, just a "random herb blend." They were disgusting, and they were combustible, but they're available now, you'd need a specialty cigar store and they might even need to order them for you.

They quickly convinced me of the disgustingness of smoking non-nic combustibles, I think I smoked about 3 of them. That said, I wasn't getting my nicotine/MAOI soup, just inhaling some rather flavorless smoke. I am unsure if there's a 0 nic tobacco product out there. I think you'd have to go to ultralights... but why would you? Curiosity? Hoping for a "safer" combustible? That doesn't exist in the BT planet though they are saying those IQOS things do, and it's a vape, but it does have nicotine in it. I would be scared, personally, of trying a BT product that might draw me away from vaping so I have no interest. Nor would I smoke 0 nic cigarettes, I already tried that experiment

Anna

Back in the day I tried smoking some tea, as a tobacco substitute. Didn't take many puffs before I gave up

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[Rossum]

ANTZ has also been successful in squashing all research showing that menthol flavored tobacco is multiple times worse in terms of causing lung disease and tissue damage than unflavored tobacco.

Two reasons for this:

1. They need people to believe that all tobacco is bad and that no form is less harmful and
2. African Americans and women use menthol more than other demographics, so banning menthol would be sexist and racist, or something.

I can't link to the research now because I'm mobile.

 

[eastcoaster91]

I am curious. I am wondering what level would be considered a non-addictive level. Either nicotine is addictive or isn't addictive. I am in the camp that believes it isn't addictive when separated from cigarette smoking.

Do you really believe that if a smoker is faced with barely detectable nicotine they will just quit smoking or are you talking about a never smoker?

I personally believe that nicotine isn't that addictive. My first go around with vaping after 2 weeks off the cigarettes, I could walk away from my vape for hours and not get that jittery on edge feeling. I would say in my case nic is barely addictive. It stunned me by how much I didn't need to vape once my body detoxed from cigarettes.

 

[Mike McVape]

P.S. Apparently there are a number of ways to take the nic out of tobacco while preserving it's smoking qualities.

Oh you mean the thousands of other chemicals inhaled while burning tobacco that are far more harmful than nicotine?

 

[QcVaper]

Nicotine has been proven not to be a cancerous substance,it's the other 4000 chemical in a cigarette that are. So removing the nic only removes one of the addictive properties, it's dumb and pointless if you wanna transition to vaping use tobacco flavors not cigarettes.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

I forgot about this, but then I have an excuse: this was the night of my hip surgery and I was slidin' right along on prescription meds.

Here's the link:

Menthol cigarette smoking in the COPDGene cohort: Relationship with COPD, comorbidities and CT metrics

 

[Eskie]

I forgot about this, but then I have an excuse: this was the night of my hip surgery and I was slidin' right along on prescription meds.

Here's the link:

Menthol cigarette smoking in the COPDGene cohort: Relationship with COPD, comorbidities and CT metrics

OK, it's too early and I haven't my coffee as I ran out and it's pouring out so no run to buy a cup. I'm not sure what the point about that study, menthol, and ANTZ. The big findings were menthol was no safer than plain tobacco (no surprise there) and other than worsening acute exacerbations of COPD (not baseline) it didn't do any more harm than plain tobacco.

So, how is this good or bad in relation to ANTZ? It doesn't look any wildly worse for you than plain tobacco. There is also zero data in that article that menthol cigarettes are any safer either. Now, that's only one paper, and I don't know all the literature there is on testing menthol in combination with combustible tobacco, but what conclusion should I be drawing that I'm missing?

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

OK, it's too early and I haven't my coffee as I ran out and it's pouring out so no run to buy a cup. I'm not sure what the point about that study, menthol, and ANTZ. The big findings were menthol was no safer than plain tobacco (no surprise there) and other than worsening acute exacerbations of COPD (not baseline) it didn't do any more harm than plain tobacco.

So, how is this good or bad in relation to ANTZ? It doesn't look any wildly worse for you than plain tobacco. There is also zero data in that article that menthol cigarettes are any safer either. Now, that's only one paper, and I don't know all the literature there is on testing menthol in combination with combustible tobacco, but what conclusion should I be drawing that I'm missing?

Unfortunately (for me), I can't find the other literature showing that menthol is more harmful AND, given an apparent genetic link between African DNA and lung cancer, AND given that African Americans tend towards menthol cigarettes, menthol was more harmful even if it had no statistically significant effect on general population data.

It's kinda like a murder case where where we all know whodunnit, but I (The DA) can't prove it.

 

[Eskie]

Unfortunately (for me), I can't find the other literature showing that menthol is more harmful AND, given an apparent genetic link between African DNA and lung cancer, AND given that African Americans tend towards menthol cigarettes, menthol was more harmful even if it had no statistically significant effect on general population data.

It's kinda like a murder case where where we all know whodunnit, but I (The DA) can't prove it.

So if menthol was associated with increased harm, wouldn't the ANTZ crowd be screaming for its ban? I thought menthol would fall under the whole ban flavours and save our children.

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[Coastal Cowboy]

So if menthol was associated with increased harm, wouldn't the ANTZ crowd be screaming for its ban? I thought menthol would fall under the whole ban flavours and save our children.

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No. ANTZ=Progressives. A progressive's agenda isn't as much about reducing harm as it is about increasing power and control.

Both women and African Americans are the target markets for menthol cigarettes, so banning menthol would look like they're being targeted by a racist, sexist agenda.

What self-respecting progressive would advocate forcing everyone to either quit smoking or smoke the white male's cancer stick?

I know that question is going to make progressives reading it uncomfortable, but so be it.

 

[DC2]

What you describe was actually part of the foundational planning to eradicate smoking from the onset. They have been brilliantly successful because they turned the heat up ever so slowly. I rember reading somewhere here on the forum, maybe a couple years ago where somebody linked to a manifesto describing this in detail, I'll dig around the googles later and see if I have any luck finding it...

What you are thinking of is the Godber Blueprint.
The link that I used to post on here all the time now appears to be dead though.


The following piece discusses the Godber Blueprint, and still contains the dead link...
Velvet Glove, Iron Fist: The Godber blueprint