I love snus.
General mini mint is my favorite. I started using it when I lived in Stockholm (in my previous life). But now snus is banned everywhere in Europe, even in Denmark.
And Bernie wants us to be more like Denmark.
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I love snus.
General mini mint is my favorite. I started using it when I lived in Stockholm (in my previous life). But now snus is banned everywhere in Europe, even in Denmark.
And Bernie wants us to be more like Denmark.
There's a "BUT" regarding the first quote which came immediately after the comment:
From the Senate HELP hearing:
"But our job as the regulator is to figure out what is going on at the population level and it includes the much larger group [collective] of smokers not like the first group I defined, a much larger group of smokers who are concerned about their health and who are interested in quitting and what happens instead of those people completely substituting with a non-combustible product, they start using both, and then along the way they wind up becoming less interested in quitting. So then we would say that might not be good for public health, and our job is to figure out what is the net of all of those possible behaviors including any initiation which would not be good for public health and then try to make public policy on top of that." (my emphasis).
If he actually cared for individuals, even one individual, then he'd stick with the first quote and not bother with the rest. But his collectivist view demands that he views the largest group - the 'net population' as he's said elsewhere, (ie. not the just hard core smokers) and it is on that where his true 'belief' lies.
With the full context, (and the deeming) we see what he actually sees as 'good for the public health' because for him the 'public' is the larger group not the hard core smokers. It's a stylistic posturing to give you the first, then take it away with the "but". To quote only the first part may be a good 'political tactic' (even one I may approve), but to know and not tell the context, is misleading.
Playing whack-a-mole with our legislators, over and over again... How long have we been doing this, Stormy?
I know I haven't been at it as long as the both of you (and many, many others) but it still feels like too long.
I came across this last night. I think this is what you're talking about.
http://tveca.com/tveca_docs/industry_guide_draft_tveca.pdf?mc_cid=ca32e06b7c&mc_eid=43d99185c5
Somehow everyone besides vapers are confused as to the difference.
Sadly, even some vapers are confused. Remember, we are the people that were first brainwashed about cigarettes smoking. We carry a bit of that baggage into the vaping arena.
Right. I agree--but I nevertheless start every letter to the legislators with the first part of that (longer) quote.
However, my post wasn't so much about what Zeller had said but about what the FDA should/could do. For the record.
I love snus.
But now snus is banned everywhere in Europe, even in Denmark.
Yep, I often tell people that the cure to Far Left Wing Liberalism, is
living in Sweden.
I end up shaking my head over the laws they enact here... it is just crazy.
Robin, I found this one - you can search and copy stuff, where as on that one you can only do screen shots - and/or OCR like Zoidman did
Don't know if anyone else posted it. (heck, I may have :- ) Anyway:http://vapers.org.uk/wp-content/upl...e-E-Liquid-PMTAs-Legitimacy-Not-Confirmed.pdf
Right. I agree--but I nevertheless start every letter to the legislators with the first part of that (longer) quote.
However, my post wasn't so much about what Zeller had said but about what the FDA should/could do. For the record.
Understood and agree.
Not everyone who quotes it has that intent....
Thank you KentRobin, I found this one - you can search and copy stuff, where as on that one you can only do screen shots - and/or OCR like Zoidman did
http://vapers.org.uk/wp-content/upl...e-E-Liquid-PMTAs-Legitimacy-Not-Confirmed.pdf
Bookmarked for bedtime reading
I love snus.
But now snus is banned everywhere in Europe, even in Denmark.
Ya know, last year, they banned some of the more popular perfume oils..
they can no longer be used in perfumes... the reason why?
Because 1-3% of the population MIGHT get a slight rash, due to a mild allergy.
YEP, 1-3% of the population...
It is freaking CRAZY.... So, I have no hope for e-cigs here in Europe.
The stuff that they ban here is just outrageous.
What happened to the world? I know Kent, we have done it to ourselves but still....... Oh.My.God.
Ok... "more info" on 'not the typical liberal' :- ) Typical liberals would describe Sweden as 'utopia'.
You're gaining ground
That's not my quote :- ) and I don't think we've done it to ourselves - I think gov't did it to us. Some may have helped that cause though
What an Unusual Coincidence about the "But".
It's almost like I Subliminally remember when Mr. Zeller made that Statement.
That's not my quote :- ) and I don't think we've done it to ourselves - I think gov't did it to us. Some may have helped that cause though
I know it wasn't your quote. I knew you would respond though
What an Unusual Coincidence about the "But".
It's almost like I Subliminally remember when Mr. Zeller made that Statement.
It's burned into my brain - I watched it in present time and then grabbed the video and transcript when they became available (although I can't find the transcript now
) It was at that point I felt it was over as far as the FDA was concerned. Greatest Good - from his point wins - even if it's 50.001% over 49.999%. And even IF, the 50+ percent would have vaped eventually.
Yep, if the EU can do this to the Perfume Industry, I shudder to think what it will do
to the vaping industry.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...rmulate-under-new-eu-regulations-9451331.html
Let's just hope that the USA follows some logic in all this... Though, if history is
any indication, then they won't... that is just what idiot Gov's do.
to the vaping industry.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...rmulate-under-new-eu-regulations-9451331.html
Let's just hope that the USA follows some logic in all this... Though, if history is
any indication, then they won't... that is just what idiot Gov's do.
Robin, I found this one - you can search and copy stuff, where as on that one you can only do screen shots - and/or OCR like Zoidman did
http://vapers.org.uk/wp-content/upl...e-E-Liquid-PMTAs-Legitimacy-Not-Confirmed.pdf
That version looks like a MUCH Cleaner OCR-ed versions than what I did.
Just it just goes to Show that Paying $39.95 for OCR Software does a Better Job that POS version that came Bundled with some Software that I had.
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Once Again. it should be Considered "Reference Only". And that Hill Article said that there would Probably be Significant Changes, and even some Surprises, in the Final Version. Verses the Draft Copy.
It's burned into my brain - I watched it in present time and then grabbed the video and transcript when they became available (although I can't find the transcript now
It was at that point I felt it was over as far as the FDA was concerned. Greatest Good - from his point wins - even if it's 50.001% over 49.999%. And even IF, the 50+ percent would have vaped eventually.
I hear you.
I have seen it Many Times. And have Sent it to Many People. Even Linked to it in This Thread...
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/f...ple-have-seen-this-about-e-cigarettes.679011/
Assuming the nicotine was property extracted and purified there would be no way to tell from testing if it came from tobacco or from any other sub species of the potatoe family or was synthetic. (don't know if synthetic is even remotely feasable yet)
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